Maybe it’s now fashionable to consider that knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing is now a thing.
@walter-i. thank you for your words. I had to say "something". I tire of the never ending complaints, but also want to put an opposing view.
I first bought Humble Bundle VP14 Edit. Loved it. Absolutely loved it. So before spending money, I came to this forum to read if there were any show stopping issues with the software. None that would stop me from buying VP15 Suite, 16 Suite, then 17 Suite, and finally VP18 Edit and Boris Continuum Complete. No more issues with Boris activations and conflicts with previous bundled versions. That's my Vegas history. I write it so that when others go through the forum, they will see a different type of post to counter the one above.
I do a lot of "lurking" since I still consider myself a novice with the software. But then I run into posts like this, then a rash of "new" users who say they've been using the software since it came out in stone tablets, yet have no posts here. Strange is what I think.
So, I figure, if they can write what they want, so can it, even if it is in disagreement
[sarcasm rant coming]
If the "small incremental" updates do not improve your editing workflow, then do not buy. To upgrade to the next version of say, VP19 Edit, the price is usually around Black Friday, $149. Average that out over a year, it's about $12.50 per month. Not much if you put the money aside each month.
As for people who STEAL, I hope someone "pirates" their services when they expect to be paid for work they have done. Although, that is not quite what I really want to say....
And for not buying direct, I would like to know where you can get VP for less than what is advertised on the Magix site. You can't. You complain about a $10 difference for Edit now, but what you really want Boris, NBFX, SF, etc to be included. Isn't going to happen. All those plugin people need to be paid too.
People say they like using VP, but the price is too high. Oh well, I'd love a new Corvette, but guess what.... Chevy isn't going to lower the price for "me".
I personally get a kick out of people that say they've been using the software like... forever. And... what does that mean? What does that entitle you to? If it were so so buggy... I'd move on to something else. I've done that in the past, and will in the here and now, and in the future if necessary.
Let's see, you are complaining about the high price of Vegas upgrade, then talk about editing 4K on a super expensive computer. Really.... I was not born yesterday.....
Oh, I helped someone get started with Vegas 18 a month or so ago, and guess what, he paid for it. He also paid for Boris Continuum 2021 Complete and Sapphire Render. Yeah... he paid for it and didn't complain. But then he is a professional and is getting paid to edit.
[sarcasm rant off]
I already put the website from where you can get the Vegas pro for less than on Magix website www.bhvideo.com
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1584375-REG/magix_anr009570esd_u1_vegas_pro_18_upgrade.html
I am trying to help people to get Vegas Pro 18 for less but some of them are in denial, or they are trying to deceive others that there is no better option to buy official Vegas Pro 18 than the official website.
,@Rayfox, you don't need to counter balance any comments here.That is the beauty of the freedom of expression. I like to read the good reviews and bad reviews for any product before I buy. I never read only the good reviews or only the bad reviews for a product. To bad you were not well informed about places you can buy Vegas pro 18 for a better price to help you guy.I love to help people.The guy that learned Vegas is a beginner,I am a veteran on using Vegas and I am an expert in Vegas Scripts with 18 years experience in Vegas since Sonic Foundry Vegas 2003.Try to edit like a pro 4 k and export the project and then try with the same file on Final Cut and the reality brick will fall on you.I am using Vegas and I edit in Vegas maybe more than 4000 hours of final material in 18 years.I have a tone of real good thinks to say about Vegas.I love Vegas! There are few areas that can be improved quick to make Vegas the solid NLE around the world and as bussines owner I know what specific need to be addressed in Vegas.I am a Canon Pro tester and Canon was listening my advices in the last 15 years.I am an engineer and I love quality tech products
I am trying to help people to get Vegas Pro 18 for less but some of them are in denial, or they are trying to deceive others that there is no better option to buy official Vegas Pro 18 than the official website.
I clicked and now see that you can get Vegas Pro 18 with Soundforge 14 from B&H for the cost of Vegas Pro Edit at Magix ($159). That's a good deal! This is actually how I stepped up to Vegas Pro 12- B&H had it for a good price and I moved up from Movie Studio.
Final Cut X is great- I miss the speed of editing in it, but would never buy into the Mac ecosystem. A few years back it had it share of bugs and I recall saving projects quite frequently just in case.
,@Rayfox, you don't need to counter balance any comments here.That is the beauty of the freedom of expression. I like to read the good reviews and bad reviews for any product before I buy. I never read only the good reviews or only the bad reviews for a product.
What's been happening lately is that by Magix direction or a rogue mod working alone is deleting criticism of vegas when compared to rivals. I've only started becoming a victim of this, never ever noticed it before, but maybe it's because it only just started happening to me. What i'm saying is this is a commercial website and forum, a user forum to help solve problems, and receive feedback, but in the end it's not designed to dissuade people from buying Vegas.
Although I'd agree we should have the freedom of speech to say our honest opinion about their product we don't really have any freedom of speech here unless it was believed transparency and honesty helps sell a product. I did believe that was the model they used until they started censoring me. Have to work within their framework until enough consumer backlash overturns their policies. I don't believe it's right that they censor customer experiences
I already put the website from where you can get the Vegas pro for less than on Magix website www.bhvideo.com
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1584375-REG/magix_anr009570esd_u1_vegas_pro_18_upgrade.html
I stand corrected! Sale good to Jan 6.
The only downside is that the sale is final. Once ordered, you can not cancel or return it. I'd take a chance for sure. I also don't know what type of arrangement Vegas has with B&H. Maybe they "bought" x amount of copies and have to sell them. Who knows? Usually the manufacturer won't undercut a reseller in price. But either way, it's' a great deal. Thanks for making it known to me.
@lenard I believe most of us want Vegas to improve and become more "mainstream". And comparisons to other editors is inevitable. I want Vegas to succeed and to grow. And while I use other editors depending on the job in front of me (right hammer for that particular nail), if I have an issue with Vegas, I write about it without not necessarily always comparing it to another editor. If I wrote a lot about issues and constantly brought up how PowerDirector (as an example) does it better, it would wear thin and make me sound like I am trumpeting that software since it can do "it" better. So the logical extension would be, if "it" can do it better, why not use "it". I would, instead of waiting for Vegas to catch up.
If I wrote a lot about issues and constantly brought up how PowerDirector (as an example) does it better, it would wear thin and make me sound like I am trumpeting that software since it can do "it" better. So the logical extension would be, if "it" can do it better, why not use "it". I would, instead of waiting for Vegas to catch up.
Sure, but a mod should always abide by mod conduct. Remove a message if it's against the TOS of the forum, state the reason for removal, and the mod's name, deleting messages completely in the hope that nobody knew it ever existed is immoral as an individual's indiscretions have harmed the reputations of all the hard working volunteer mods that abide by the rules and even the Company it'self, as prominent users have said they believe it's Magix behind the censoring of messages. Sunlight is the best disinfectant
My last message was about the 3060ti where I was trying to assist a member of the vegas family. I simply stated that for Vegas I believe 3060ti may be the best all around card for the price, but warned if they use other editors such as [REDACTED] It will very easily use 100% GPU and depending on typical tasks the recommended GPU may infact be a 3080, not for vegas but for [REDACTED].
That's not a promotion of anything, so it's a individual with an axe to grind breaking mod etiquette and preventing me helping my Vegas friends with help to buy the best hardware for their needs. The rogue mod needs to be brought to justice , his crimes illuminated and disciplinary action taken. When game companies have censored their customers posts in the past they've received huge blowback and terrible PR, and in the end it's always the same result, harsh censorship removed, Stability is returned and faith in the company restored.
Your advice is good @Reyfox Thankyou
@Ciprian-Caizar I have bought vp15,16,17,18 and that does all add up when you look at it as a monthly subscripton cost. the same GPU stability problems are still there, and it's the reason why I like to try to comfort new users of vegas into believing their brand new computer and expensive cpu and gpu are not rubbish, they're not crazy or incompetent, to balance the vegas zealots who always blame the user when they know numerous people before have had the same problem without resolution. It's like their identity revolves around Vegas always presented in the best possible promotional light, by not doing so could result in Vegas being cancelled. They're driven by fear which is a very strong controlling emotion.
@lenard “Sure, but a mod should always abide by mod conduct. Remove a message if it's against the TOS of the forum, state the reason for removal, and the mod's name, deleting messages completely in the hope that nobody knew it ever existed is immoral as an individual's indiscretions have harmed the reputations of all the hard working volunteer mods that abide by the rules and even the Company it'self, as prominent users have said they believe it's Magix behind the censoring of messages. Sunlight is the best disinfectant”
I agree with the above, not necessarily everything you say, now or previously. In my experience 99% of all mods are aok. But there is at least one who just deletes posts he doesn’t like, and, before he was promoted to mod used the back channel of private messaging to send abusive comment to me, rather than post in the forum. From observing comments by another user who he got annoyed with, he also used PM to him, while he was a mod. So Magix know and condone this cowardly behaviour in this case anyway.
The mods are only human, and if you annoy them they will delete your posts lock the thread, or worst case send abuse via pm, although as I said that was before he became a mod. I don’t expect this post to last very long. As I said 99% are aok.
Honestly, the mods here seem reasonable and let you, me, and others talk about other NLEs extensively, and point out the many flaws with Vegas that need to be fixed.
It gets to be repetitive and unhelpful, though when every post includes such a comparison and the implied message that you should switch software. I think they are attempting to steer you to focus on Vegas. In the above example, mentioning the other software by name added absolutely nothing. Keep doing it and you'll probably end up banned. Try to focus on helping others use Vegas. We're adults and can decide for ourselves if it doesn't meet our needs.
@lenard if someone is asking about a GPU for Vegas, that should be the answer given.... GPU for Vegas. Where the problem is as "I" see it, there is a common theme to which editor works better with whatever someone asks, which was not part of the question asked, and has been brought up quite often by you in comparisons, which again, no one asked for.
When someone asks me about anything related to computer hardware, they can see what I use (signature) and I can give them my thoughts on it specifically. But I might add for them to also consider what other software they are using and see what works with it. That would be it. Not naming any software specifically. They can do that research themselves. This is a Vegas forum, and people come here for information about Vegas. They can also go freely to any other forum to see what is going on.
I do not see "comfort" of new users as anyone's position here. Your "comfort" has always pointed to what you consider, a better solution, always in one direction. And yes it is a promoting of that particular product, whatever it is.
I've had ZERO issues with my "old" AMD graphics card. Zero. And it gets used a lot depending on what I am doing and what I am using. There are others here with various cards and can give their thoughts on them when they use Vegas, which IS the question asked. Nothing more.
You've taken up a "mantle" of sorts to, as you say to "balance the vegas zealots" to what end? No one asked you to do this, including that poster about what gpu to consider, but you. Anyone with 1 functioning brain cell can see that there are issues with the software. I did before I bought VP15 Suite. I did my due diligence.
You seem a little obsessive on this quest.... hence, being moderated.
If someone kept saying my wife's cooking was ok, but the woman across the street has better food, what are they doing at my place? And if they showed up to eat, I would point them to across the street.... it's their personal preference in food.
Hi guys, I've been reach out to in private by the vegaspro team in regards to the alleged rogue mod situation. I need to supply further information. Please don't discuss it any further. I don't want to delete my message as it will appear that it was deleted by a mod.
Thankyou
If someone kept saying my wife's cooking was ok, but the woman across the street has better food, what are they doing at my place? And if they showed up to eat, I would point them to across the street.... it's their personal preference in food.
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I am trying to help people to get Vegas Pro 18 for less but some of them are in denial, or they are trying to deceive others that there is no better option to buy official Vegas Pro 18 than the official website.
I clicked and now see that you can get Vegas Pro 18 with Soundforge 14 from B&H for the cost of Vegas Pro Edit at Magix ($159). That's a good deal! This is actually how I stepped up to Vegas Pro 12- B&H had it for a good price and I moved up from Movie Studio.
Final Cut X is great- I miss the speed of editing in it, but would never buy into the Mac ecosystem. A few years back it had it share of bugs and I recall saving projects quite frequently just in case.
I agree about Apple ecosystem!
@Ciprian-Caizar Its all relative really. For example, you mentioned the difficulties in editing the R5 hevc footage, for sure I hope Magix addresses that soon. But in the grande scheme of things, relatively speaking, an R5 would pay for 20 years of VP.
I want to see the whole picture. Doesn't meter if I am a millionaire. Let's stay on the subject please don't focus on my gear because we might miss the point. Is any Vegas buyer here that will be happy is Vegas Pro 19 will cost $500 for upgrade and $1000 for full price? let's be honest and realistic. We all need great prices.Do you guys ever buy on Black Friday or you are all millionaires here? Because some of the people are talking like they work for Vegas or they are getting free software from Vegas. Canon R5 for me will make more money in photo and less in video.my best 2 photo programs cost me $4+$5 per month(Lightroom and Photoshop) and they are the leading platforms around the world in photo editing(the top software as of today).That will be like having Avid Media Composer +Vegas video for $9 per month as bundle. Adobe know business guy and if you don't believe me look at their history. If you want a more expensive Vegas in the future that is fine for me. I got the money! will everybody be ready to sacrifice 1000 on Vegas just because they LOVE the company?2 years ago was SOny, now is Magix, in 2 years who knows. What company you guys love? Sonic Foundry? Sony or Magix?I was happy because magix purchased Vegas.I also hope they will keep updating the software !
As I wrote, I would love a new mid-engine Corvette, but Chevrolet isn't going to lower the price for me because I can't afford it.
I would bet you didn't get a great price on the Canon gear. Yet, you willingly paid it because you believe it's a good investment and will recoup your money and then have a profit. But you have no idea of what the cost of Vegas will be next year and are speculating with inflated prices to further build up your "straw man" argument with unverifiable information.
If you want subscription to Vegas, you have it already. If you want to upgrade every year, you can. If you have a perpetual license, you can skip years, further lowering the cost of ownership.
What troubles me is that you spend (at least you say you have) a R5. What are the cost of those lenses? You just don't have the body with adapter using a "nifty fifty" plastic lens. You say you have a Ryzen 9 16core CPU, 3090 Nvidia, Canon R5, etc... yet complain about a $10-40 difference in price of software. So please, stop with the "Vegas has to lower their price" already and move on to what ever other editor you want that is cheaper to upgrade.
If Vegas charges $500 for an upgrade, I will make my decision at that time if I want to pay it or not. There is plenty of cheaper editing software if that is what you are looking for...... look to the consumer market if that is what you want. Just like there are cheaper cameras out there than the R5.... but you didn't cheap out on that, did you....
For those running a business no matter how large or how small, do not business expenditures such as equipment and software purchases/subscriptions attract a tax deduction, depreciation and/or VAT/TVA/GST claim on the business' tax return - dependent on one's country's tax rules of course?
@Dexcon as you know, there are tax write offs for what you spend to maintain your business in the States! My tax person took care of that every year for me.
I just can not see someone bickering over less than a couple of hundred dollars while at the same time justifying spending several thousands of dollars on equipment they say will benefit them.
I just can not see someone bickering over less than a couple of hundred dollars while at the same time justifying spending several thousands of dollars on equipment they say will benefit them.
I agree.
There are obviously other reasons behind it - but he will certainly not reveal these reasons to us.
Maybe not too constructive; but perhaps time to close the thread?