VEGAS Pro 22 Build 194 General Discussion

VEGAS_CommunityManager wrote on 10/30/2024, 12:10 PM

Hello everyone,

The VEGAS Team is happy to announce the release of VEGAS Pro 22 build 194. Please use this thread to post general comments on this update. For details on this update, please read this post in the News forum.

If you are having any issues using the update or have specific questions, please create a new thread.

Thank you,

The VEGAS Creative Software Team

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pierre-k wrote on 10/30/2024, 2:47 PM

in the Preference/General tab there is an option Dx11 output.

What does this mean?

MarkAnthony121 wrote on 10/30/2024, 3:06 PM

I'm on 20.208 still. Can anyone comment on the stability of 22.194? I'm still experiencing WAY too frequent crashes working with HVEC 422 footage specifically from Canon R5's and Sony footage even with proxies. In fact I've never NOT experienced crashes. I'm curious how it's fairing before I dish out $150 to upgrade in an attempt to edit without pulling out my hair for once in the past 15 years.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 10/30/2024, 3:10 PM

I do not have you footage and your hardware - so hard to say what would be your experience. You could test the free trial of VP22.

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JoeK wrote on 10/30/2024, 5:40 PM

I'm on 20.208 still. Can anyone comment on the stability of 22.194? I'm still experiencing WAY too frequent crashes working with HVEC 422 footage specifically from Canon R5's and Sony footage even with proxies. In fact I've never NOT experienced crashes. I'm curious how it's fairing before I dish out $150 to upgrade in an attempt to edit without pulling out my hair for once in the past 15 years.

You can always download the trial and try for your self. The trial is a great way to test on your hardware.

 

Using it as a daily driver right now I have no issues. I do use AIF for audio and HEVC+NVENC H265 video files in MOV format.

Example of a video file output from ffmpeg.

ffmpeg version 2023-06-11-git-09621fd7d9-full_build-www.gyan.dev Copyright (c) 2000-2023 the FFmpeg developers
  built with gcc 12.2.0 (Rev10, Built by MSYS2 project)
  configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --enable-static --disable-w32threads --disable-autodetect --enable-fontconfig --enable-iconv --enable-gnutls --enable-libxml2 --enable-gmp --enable-bzlib --enable-lzma --enable-libsnappy --enable-zlib --enable-librist --enable-libsrt --enable-libssh --enable-libzmq --enable-avisynth --enable-libbluray --enable-libcaca --enable-sdl2 --enable-libaribb24 --enable-libaribcaption --enable-libdav1d --enable-libdavs2 --enable-libuavs3d --enable-libzvbi --enable-librav1e --enable-libsvtav1 --enable-libwebp --enable-libx264 --enable-libx265 --enable-libxavs2 --enable-libxvid --enable-libaom --enable-libjxl --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libvpx --enable-mediafoundation --enable-libass --enable-frei0r --enable-libfreetype --enable-libfribidi --enable-liblensfun --enable-libvidstab --enable-libvmaf --enable-libzimg --enable-amf --enable-cuda-llvm --enable-cuvid --enable-ffnvcodec --enable-nvdec --enable-nvenc --enable-d3d11va --enable-dxva2 --enable-libvpl --enable-libshaderc --enable-vulkan --enable-libplacebo --enable-opencl --enable-libcdio --enable-libgme --enable-libmodplug --enable-libopenmpt --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libshine --enable-libtheora --enable-libtwolame --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libcodec2 --enable-libilbc --enable-libgsm --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopus --enable-libspeex --enable-libvorbis --enable-ladspa --enable-libbs2b --enable-libflite --enable-libmysofa --enable-librubberband --enable-libsoxr --enable-chromaprint
  libavutil      58. 13.100 / 58. 13.100
  libavcodec     60. 17.100 / 60. 17.100
  libavformat    60.  6.100 / 60.  6.100
  libavdevice    60.  2.100 / 60.  2.100
  libavfilter     9.  8.101 /  9.  8.101
  libswscale      7.  3.100 /  7.  3.100
  libswresample   4. 11.100 /  4. 11.100
  libpostproc    57.  2.100 / 57.  2.100
Input #0, mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2, from 'Touhou Mugakudan -Ⅱ-.video.mov':
  Metadata:
    major_brand     : qt
    minor_version   : 512
    compatible_brands: qt
    encoder         : Lavf60.6.100
  Duration: 00:00:04.10, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 310757 kb/s
  Stream #0:0[0x1](eng): Video: hevc (Main) (hev1 / 0x31766568), yuv420p(tv, progressive), 2560x1440 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 310745 kb/s, 60 fps, 60 tbr, 15360 tbn (default)
    Metadata:
      handler_name    : ?Mainconcept Video Media Handler
      vendor_id       : FFMP
      encoder         : Lavc60.17.100 hevc_nvenc

I have not had any crashes or instability from vegas it self when editing. Maybe when using 3rd party OFX like BCC here and there, but default program stuff. Seems very stable for me.

Gid wrote on 10/30/2024, 7:59 PM

Updated, installed, VP auto restarted & launched in literally 5mins 👍

Explorer Thumbnails still doesn't respect the sort order that's set in Details view 😒

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jimingo-1 wrote on 10/30/2024, 8:58 PM

I'm on 20.208 still. Can anyone comment on the stability of 22.194? I'm still experiencing WAY too frequent crashes working with HVEC 422 footage specifically from Canon R5's and Sony footage even with proxies. In fact I've never NOT experienced crashes. I'm curious how it's fairing before I dish out $150 to upgrade in an attempt to edit without pulling out my hair for once in the past 15 years.

I'm editing HVEC 422 from Sony FX3 and the Canon R5 right now in 22.194. For now, definitely stick with 20. Vegas 22 rarely crashes while editing the footage and it has smoother playback (which is awesome), but it can't complete renders in 32 bit float and the renders take MUCH longer than Vegas 20. There's definitely some major HVEC 422 issues in 22. I'm rendering a 7 minute 32 bit float project and I'm attempting to render for the 4th time today because the first three attempts failed. It's been an hour and 25 minutes since I started the fourth render and I'm only 52% complete. I'm averaging like a frame per second.

MarkAnthony121 wrote on 10/30/2024, 9:41 PM

I'm on 20.208 still. Can anyone comment on the stability of 22.194? I'm still experiencing WAY too frequent crashes working with HVEC 422 footage specifically from Canon R5's and Sony footage even with proxies. In fact I've never NOT experienced crashes. I'm curious how it's fairing before I dish out $150 to upgrade in an attempt to edit without pulling out my hair for once in the past 15 years.

I'm editing HVEC 422 from Sony FX3 and the Canon R5 right now in 22.194. For now, definitely stick with 20. Vegas 22 rarely crashes while editing the footage and it has smoother playback (which is awesome), but it can't complete renders in 32 bit float and the renders take MUCH longer than Vegas 20. There's definitely some major HVEC 422 issues in 22. I'm rendering a 7 minute 32 bit float project and I'm attempting to render for the 4th time today because the first three attempts failed. It's been an hour and 25 minutes since I started the fourth render and I'm only 52% complete. I'm averaging like a frame per second.

Oof sounds like I'll hold off. I think I had the same issues with other build of VP20. Usually outputting 4K and rendering in 32 bit float with LUTs, all effects (and the worst, noise reduction Neat Video) I'm rendering it around 3-4fps on a 13900K. Which sounds 3-4X faster than what you're getting.

UltraVista wrote on 10/30/2024, 10:54 PM

Broadcast AVC MPEG-TS out of sync, and then plays the beginning again. The video pause that capcut does at beginning is what Vegas should be doing to keep sync.

sample https://www.mediafire.com/file/akuuw4jg63mquwh/hallodeutschland.ts/file


Black screen for livestream type AVC MPEG-TS (HLS)

Sample https://www.mediafire.com/file/m7kwertqaqxnhwp/Sample.ts/file

 

Wolfgang S. wrote on 10/31/2024, 1:45 AM

Vegas has never been designed for „broadcast transportstreams“. Use tools like womble for that.

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UltraVista wrote on 10/31/2024, 3:50 AM

@Wolfgang S. The release notes say

  • Improved GPU and compatibility support for AVC/MPEG transport streams 

The Sample.ts used to play badly in VP21 without sound but is a black screen with sound now. hallodeutschland.ts would not load in VP21 but does now, but needs improvement

bitman wrote on 10/31/2024, 4:02 AM

The refresh contend issue on the new (VP22) explorer when using the favorite folder view (=refresh was not working when pressing the refresh button) seems to be fixed in the new build as the fixed issue log suggests, I tried it a few times, and it seems to be fixed!

Last changed by bitman on 10/31/2024, 4:02 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

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pierre-k wrote on 10/31/2024, 5:35 AM

Auto Ducking - bug or beta version?

When the dialogue ends, the line does not return to 0db.

wrong (current version):

right:

I also miss setting the length of the start and end of the Fade like here:

Nikita-Nikita wrote on 10/31/2024, 6:10 AM

I upgraded and regretted it. Now all my old videos that I recorded through Bandicam in MP4 format with MPEG-4 codec do not open in Sony Vegas 22. Only one audio track opens, although everything worked before the update. in H264 video track opens, but I tried everything and I can't open the video track.  

Dexcon wrote on 10/31/2024, 6:18 AM

@Nikita-Nikita  ... you've already raised this issue in https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/problem-after-updating-vegas-22-does-not-open-mp-4-mpeg-4-video-codec--147643/#ca928050 - please don't double post.

Also ...

... do not open in Sony Vegas 22

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 10/31/2024, 8:13 AM

@Wolfgang S. The release notes say

  • Improved GPU and compatibility support for AVC/MPEG transport streams 

The Sample.ts used to play badly in VP21 without sound but is a black screen with sound now. hallodeutschland.ts would not load in VP21 but does now, but needs improvement

An improvement does not mean, that everything has become better. Again, use womble for that - or similar tools.

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 10/31/2024, 8:16 AM

When the dialogue ends, the line does not return to 0db.

And why should it return to zero?

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pierre-k wrote on 10/31/2024, 8:23 AM

When the dialogue ends, the line does not return to 0db.

And why should it return to zero?

Because if they don't return to zero, the background music will be muted until the end.

JaredF wrote on 10/31/2024, 8:30 AM

I'm seeing vastly better performance using Canon 4K XF-AVC files in build 194 compared to the previous build. Also, aspect ratio of the 4K 4096x2160 clips is now handled correctly. Definitely an improvement based on my limited tests so far.

Phil_P wrote on 10/31/2024, 3:26 PM

Installed and running, 5 minutes and straight back to editing. Seems improved performance here previewing 4K at 30fps. All good. Thanks. (And thank you for auto-normalise) :-)

UltraVista wrote on 10/31/2024, 7:14 PM

@Wolfgang S. The release notes say

  • Improved GPU and compatibility support for AVC/MPEG transport streams 

The Sample.ts used to play badly in VP21 without sound but is a black screen with sound now. hallodeutschland.ts would not load in VP21 but does now, but needs improvement

An improvement does not mean, that everything has become better. Again, use womble for that - or similar tools.

It seems the market is demanding compatibility with these formats with Resolve introducing it less than a month ago and now Vegas quickly follows but currently both give buggy results. It will be high status if Vegas gets this working first.

UltraVista wrote on 10/31/2024, 9:29 PM

Auto Ducking - bug or beta version?

When the dialogue ends, the line does not return to 0db.

wrong (current version):

@pierre-k

paul-marshall wrote on 11/1/2024, 11:59 AM

how do you use the new auto-ducking feature?

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jetdv wrote on 11/1/2024, 1:32 PM

@paul-marshall, on the Voice track, go to the track header - you can add these buttons to the track header or just choose the MORE option as shown in this image and make that track the "Controller" track.

Then you will be asked what settings to use - these are the default settings:

Now on each "Music" track, make it a listener - it lists all controllers so you can pick the correct one. This image shows one controller track to choose from:

VEGASDerek wrote on 11/1/2024, 1:59 PM

how do you use the new auto-ducking feature?

@paul-marshall In the update announcement in the News section of the forum, there is a link to the help document for all the VEGAS Pro 22 features. This has a detailed description of the workflow for the Auto Ducking feature.