Vegas Pro 8 at IBC?


DGates wrote on 8/15/2007, 1:16 AM
So here we go again, hypothesizing on the pros and cons of another upgrade. If 8 is on the way, how about we just wait until it gets here and then decide it's merits?

Some of you sound like you're a few pills shy of your proper dosage. Basket-cases galore. For all the whining about wanting a more professional titler, we now have someone who's already whining about how difficult the rumored titler is going to be to operate. Unbelievable.

Don't get what you want. You gripe. Give you what you want. You gripe.

winrockpost wrote on 8/15/2007, 3:39 AM
......we now have someone who's already whining about how difficult the rumored titler is going to be to operate. Unbelievable.

yes,,unbelievable that you couldn't tell i was joking,,
i agree, hold the fussing till you can actually use the software
VideoArizona wrote on 8/15/2007, 8:25 AM
Completely agree Victor.

Vegas 8 Pro...will be welcome in our shop. The name change is welcome and the new feature set is welcome. I've had a ball working around (and with) the titler making really nice titles, can't wait to get my mitts on the new titler.

Whatever Sony charges for the upgrade is fine with me too. I'm a Pro...been in the busjiness for years...and I know the price paid will be A: worth it and B: recouped in the very first project. It's an investment and write-off...where else can you get such benefits!

Add to that...I think the Madison "Elves" who work their "Magic" for us deserve every penny and recognition they can get.

My .02 worth.

David J. Devoucoux
Former user wrote on 8/15/2007, 12:15 PM
> Whatever Sony charges for the upgrade is fine with me too. I'm a Pro...been in the
> busjiness for years...and I know the price paid will be A: worth it and B: recouped
> in the very first project.

I agree. I've been producing video, primarily for the web for just over 10 years, and I have to admit that I started with Corel Lumiere...moved to Premiere...and after a pirated copy to try out Vegas, I bought four copies and put it on every machine I had and have never looked back.

Small enhancements can also be big enhancements: if anyone tries editing with a version of Vegas that the snapping feature, and then tries to edit without'll go totally nuts in the older version. It always seems like I keep wishing VEGAS' workflow enhancements were in some of my other media aps (like Sonar).

I work in pro sports, and it's always a kick because I use the same source video as a lot of the media outlets who cover our team. I can cut faster and more accurately than they can (I feel sorry for anyone using FCP).

My biggest hope is that we move away from VfW and use some more robust display method.

Hats off to the Madison and T.O. code monkeys...hopefully V8 is everything its cracked up to be.
seanfl wrote on 8/15/2007, 1:56 PM
you mention buying after trying.

I've always wondered if the somewhat aggressive serial/key verification process was actually a detriment.

I think back when it was easier to install Vegas with just a key (no checking) there were probably thousands of little 15 year old video editors around the world happily using pirated Vegas software to make their stuff. By making it more difficult to pass to their friends that would never spend the money on it, I wonder if Sony has benefited financially, or just influenced them to use some other software that is easier to pirate and create more buzz for another product. There are some that believe allowing some piracy helps to get a bigger buzz and user base going.

This is coming from a fully paid Vegas user with no desire to pirate it.

CClub wrote on 8/15/2007, 2:15 PM
I put this in a posting about 4 months ago, right now we're on about step 4:

1. "When is the next Vegas coming out; I'm tired of waiting!"
2. "Vegas is falling way behind; I'm not even sure I'm sticking with Vegas anymore."
3. "It'll probably not have any features we've been waiting for; I'm going with [x] NLE."
4. "When Vegas does finally come out with the new version, I'm waiting to see if it has anything I like. I"m not plopping down my money that easy."
[New Vegas version is released]
5. "I was the second one to buy the new version and download it!! It didn't have [x], but it has a killer [y]. No one will EVER buy any other brand of NLE... just the complete idiots! Buy it, buy it! Don't wait another minute!"
[6 weeks later]
6. "Let's create a list of what Version [x] didn't include. It doesn't have half of what I asked for."
rmack350 wrote on 8/15/2007, 2:18 PM
I can't wait for number 6! This is what it's all about.


Rob Mack
farss wrote on 8/15/2007, 3:10 PM
How about you read the only official bit of news here:

Now unless I'm reading that wrong you're going to need Vista 64.

Coursedesign wrote on 8/15/2007, 3:37 PM
I guarantee you are reading that wrong.

That announcement was not about the Vegas 8 to be announced at IBC.
Tim L wrote on 8/15/2007, 3:44 PM

I don't think the 64-bit vegas is the same thing as Vegas Pro 8, and I would consider the link in the first post in this thread as "official". The other link to the Maine product listing is not as official, I would guess, but certainly seems believable.

Surely if Vegas Pro 8 was 64-bit, it would be touted in their IBC announcements.

Just as surely, SCS would not alienate 99.99% of their customers by releasing the next version only for Vista 64.

I guess we'll all know in just a few weeks.

Tim L
farss wrote on 8/15/2007, 3:54 PM
Well that's NOT what SCS are saying, read here:

a very recent response from SCS.

jwcarney wrote on 8/15/2007, 4:04 PM
farss, I thought 64bit wasn't due out till early 2008?
Is this the 64bit version? Or the last 32bit version?

Going 64bit is a big deal and should make Vegas Pro rock even more.

And no I won't give them any more money until I have a good idea where they are headed. No anger here at all.The good news being if VP8 has the things I need, I'll be upgrading more than Vegas. I'm long over due for an AcidPro update, and I'll get SoundForge as well.

On a lighter note....Could you change the name to Sony Movie Studio so I can stop explaining which version I'm using? hehehe

Tim L wrote on 8/15/2007, 4:23 PM
Ok, Bob, I'll agree that it is very curious that somebody from SCS would mention Vegas 8 being out before the end of the year, and then would refer to the press release about 64-bit Vegas.

What a rollercoaster! Maybe we should all be put into medically induced comas for the next 3-1/2 weeks (or maybe those sensory deprivation pods) with instructions to be awakened only after Vegas Pro 8 is officially released and the trial is available for download.

Tim L
deusx wrote on 8/15/2007, 5:10 PM
a few apps I use have had 64 bit versions either released or announced, and so far they will/are all be available in 32 and 64 bit, so I expect Sony will do the same, they just don't mention it in the release, because 64 bit gives you something new to market.

It would be stupid to jump straight to Vista only.
rmack350 wrote on 8/15/2007, 5:17 PM
I think you're reading it wrong. They haven't yet said that they plan to release a 64-bit-only, Vista-only Vegas, and they certainly haven't said that that is the only version they'll release.

They also haven't said they'll release a 32-bit version, but I do believe they said in the Vista forum that it would be backwards compatible with XP. I could be wrong about that.

Limiting Vegas to 64-bit only would be suicide. It's not gonna happen.

Rob Mack
rmack350 wrote on 8/15/2007, 5:26 PM
Nope, still don't see it. All I can see is that there will be a 64bit version that runs under Vista.

To be fair, there hasn't been any word that there would or would not be a 32-bit version. It'd be far, far beyond crazy if there wasn't though. 100% of the current base uses 32-bit Vegas and probably 95 percent want be switching.

rmack350 wrote on 8/15/2007, 5:28 PM
Hate to nit-pick, but the press release from last april doesn't mention what version the 64-bit one will be.

Coursedesign wrote on 8/15/2007, 5:32 PM
That previous thread reference to a press release was just a red herring.

He/she just wanted to say that help was on the way.

But I am beginning to think that SCS could be brave enough to be the first vendor to release an NLE that requires Vista, and 64-bit at that.

Could they have replaced VfW with some kind of DX10 based interface (that's only in Vista)?

There's of course nothing that would have prevented MS from putting DX10 in XP, but they have to make living from upgrades.

And the bravery for SCS and challenge for customers lies in hooking up all kinds of professional gear with no 64-bit Vista drivers.

Hey, I'm all for moving to 64-bit. I'm concerned about the memory squeezing (reminiscent of the 640K era) when working with large frames and heavy compositing, and it's only getting worse.
Coursedesign wrote on 8/15/2007, 5:37 PM
That discreet reference to help for the loss of superwhites problem in the next version of Vegas says to me "higher bit depth."

rmack350 wrote on 8/15/2007, 5:41 PM
"Sony Movie Studio" is a good idea.

I'm pretty sure this Vegas Pro will be 32-bit, support Vista, and be backwards compatible. Perhaps they'll do as Microsoft is doing and give you both the 32-bit and 64-bit version on the same disc or license. If not, the 64-bit version will be separate.

What I wonder is when they'll release BlueRay Architect (let's pretend that's the name).

Rob Mack
DGates wrote on 8/15/2007, 6:13 PM
..."Sony Movie Studio" is a good idea...

Considering Sony actually runs a studio, this would be more confusing than the Vegas name.
vicmilt wrote on 8/15/2007, 6:19 PM
Of course my memory for detail ain't worth a damn, but...

at the Sony party in Las Vegas, when they announced the 64 bit Vegas, soon to come, I was almost certain that they either said or inferred it would be in the very next release of the program.

64 bit should be one screaming machine.

Bob - you were there - what do you remember about that??
Spot? Matt? Glenn?

rmack350 wrote on 8/15/2007, 6:36 PM
That's what I thought too, but it's just a hint.

Vista introduces Media Foundation, which MS says is not really appropriate yet for video editing. They are recommending that developers use a little of DirectShow and a little of Media Foundation.

One of the things I was reading about Foundation (if I read it right) was support for higher bit depths in media files. This is not to say that higher bit depth was impossible before, just that it's being built into the microsoft components.

I *think* that the directShow parts can also be used in XP, but I'm not entirely sure. I know that there are new driver models in Vista and have seen documents showing that even discrete cards will be scavenging system memory in Vista. Things are different.

I really just don't think that SCS is thinking of dropping most Vegas users in favor of a few people who would adopt a 64-bit Vista. Most Vista users will be using the 32-bit version anyway.

Rob Mack
rmack350 wrote on 8/15/2007, 6:39 PM
I'd have to defer to you guys if you all agree that you heard it. It still doesn't mean that's all they'll offer. It's pretty unthinkable.

Rob Mack