Vegas Pro "Protype Titler" deserves an update

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Amivideotek wrote on 12/30/2020, 10:11 AM

@Jack S 

Yes, indeed, and that's why I still don't understand why this tool ends up in the deprecated features!
That's crazy, isn't it?

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rock-c wrote on 12/30/2020, 10:42 PM

@Amivideotek It means that policymakers have been making the wrong decisions during VEGAS Pro 14, 15, 16, 17, 18. 😂

GerY wrote on 12/31/2020, 1:25 AM

Vegas needs BLUFFTITLER https://www.outerspace-software.com/blufftitler

Wiew wrote on 12/31/2020, 1:40 AM

@GerY I did not know the program , looked it up .

It is not that expensive like Boris and NB titlers

And you can export the text without background

So you can already use it in Vegas if you want ...

GerY wrote on 12/31/2020, 2:03 AM

@GerY I did not know the program , looked it up .

It is not that expensive like Boris and NB titlers

And you can export the text without background

So you can already use it in Vegas if you want ...

I use it all the time in every Movie i make is a titler in Vegas Pro 18. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/blufftitler-used-in-vegas-pro-18--126327/

Reyfox wrote on 12/31/2020, 4:11 AM

I've had Blufftitler since forever... (10 years or more). If it integrated directly into Vegas, it would really be great. But they have no integration with any NLE that I am aware of.

And while it would be great to have it, improvements on what VP already has would be nice.

Grazie wrote on 12/31/2020, 4:39 AM

If it integrated directly into Vegas, it would really be great.
 

@Reyfox - Thanks, I was searching for this. So, no BLUFF.

......improvements on what VP already has would be nice.

@Reyfox - Historically these improvements are not going to happen. I’m being realistic and NOT negative.

Presently I’m training myself-up on BORIS Studio Titler to include my own Backgrounds and particle Illusion - yeah right.... 😠. NewBlue Titler Pro has, IMO, totally lost the plot, which is a darn pity. If I need to get something done I fall back on VP TnT or the Legacy Text Titler. ProTT improves are a forlorn hope - again, being realistic here and not negative. However, I’m happy to be part of the chattering masses that maybe “heard” by our Dungeon Masters or Scrum Masters.

Amivideotek wrote on 12/31/2020, 7:20 AM

@GerY

Can you make cascading text with Blufftitler? I have no try it! Personally I prefer 2D over 3D animations. But that's my choice!

 

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GerY wrote on 12/31/2020, 7:26 AM

@GerY

Can you make cascading text with Blufftitler? I have no Yes

Amivideotek wrote on 12/31/2020, 7:29 AM

@GerY

Letters come one after one and make such a word or a sentence.

Look at the intro on page 1.

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Amivideotek wrote on 12/31/2020, 7:34 AM

@GerY

Sorry, I hadn't seen your answer. I will try it.

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Reyfox wrote on 12/31/2020, 9:42 AM

@Grazie being a "realist" is ok. Nothing has changed with this title program, and probably never will.

Curious as to why you think NBFX TP has lot the plot.

Grazie wrote on 12/31/2020, 10:07 AM

@Reyfox - You’re curious. Stand back..... this has been my experiences: The saving paradigm has become illogical and nonsensical. The Folder cascades are the same. Look, I’ve updated as and when they’ve come along, but this last one appears to have lost the ability to straightforwardly allow for changes to be updated to TitleA for those that follow in TitleB, TitleC..... etc etc... this was the primary reason I grabbed Ver5 or 6. If I had a mass of L3rds I could change Name and Job Title and keep the underlying Style. Now!? It’s horrid to accomplish. Oh yeah, crashing and falling over. IMHO it’s become a mess and it’s usage stripped down for just one thing. Then there’s the Support! My experience was solid at the beginning but now I’ve accepted that even that has diminished. Questions on the forum left unanswered and languish after weeks and months. And all of this is a great pity as I truly enjoyed and could get to my IDEAS quickly. Get a DEMO download and try it.

Now I’m digging the depths of BORIS Title Studio......

Jack S wrote on 12/31/2020, 10:40 AM

@Reyfox I use Titler Pro 7 in all my projects. Sure, there are issues with it, but most are overcome-able.

@Grazie has his opinion, and I respect that. His comment about changing job title and name for each title being 'horrid to accomplish' is his opinion. I have found that, once you get used to the application, it can save you a lot of time if you've lots of lower thirds in your project. Some of my projects have as many as 25 lower thirds. My aging PC struggles with the caching but when you see the quality of the titles, it's worth it.
He's right about the support though. It's virtually non-existent.
If you want to see what it's capable of, check out my YouTube channel 'Veteran Video Editor'.
One problem though. NewBlue have made radical changes in their latest build. They've moved away from manual saving of titles and reverted to the automatic saving as per Titler Pro 6. The only problem is, title files are named with very long, complex filenames and these filenames are what appear in the title list. You've no idea which filename to use when you're design sharing. I'm using an earlier build and will continue to do so until they sort it out.

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Reyfox wrote on 12/31/2020, 11:34 AM

Thanks for the opinions of NBFX TP7. I'll stay with TP5 then. Like @Grazie I do have BorisFX Title Studio with Continuum 2021.

 

set wrote on 12/31/2020, 3:36 PM

I stay with TP7 build 200609 in my desktop - and at my laptop, I stay with TP6.

TP7 latest build 201109 unable to run.

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Grazie wrote on 12/31/2020, 4:49 PM

TP7 latest build 201109 unable to run.

@set - Yeah, build 201109 is what I've got on my MONSTA!

 

Jack S wrote on 12/31/2020, 4:55 PM

Mine's 200423. Anything after that's unworkable.

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Grazie wrote on 12/31/2020, 5:06 PM

Anything after that's unworkable.

@Jack S - Erm? Unworkable how?

Grazie wrote on 1/1/2021, 2:13 AM

@Grazie has his opinion, and I respect that. His comment about changing job title and name for each title being 'horrid to accomplish' is his opinion. I have found that, once you get used to the application, it can save you a lot of time if you've lots of lower thirds in your project.

@Jack S - I’ve tried and tried....

He's right about the support though. It's virtually non-existent.
If you want to see what it's capable of, check out my YouTube channel 'Veteran Video Editor'.

@Jack S - NEWBLUE support should be all over this, and they ain’t.


One problem though. NewBlue have made radical changes in their latest build. They've moved away from manual saving of titles and reverted to the automatic saving as per Titler Pro 6.

@Jack S - I see convergences in our discussions?

The only problem is, title files are named with very long, complex filenames and these filenames are what appear in the title list.

@Jack S - And there you have it!

You've no idea which filename to use when you're design sharing. I'm using an earlier build and will continue to do so until they sort it out.

@Jack S - And finally we have congruence on User frustration. I unknowingly and foolishly installed the latest Build, with all that that Build brings. However you and @set have decided against it - that’s your choice, I get it. But then NEWBLUE to then pull up it’s Tent Pegs and leave the Field with non-exsisting support, is perplexing. As you say, @Jack S, “until they sort it out”.

And, with respect to the OP here, this, I think, is where we are at with PTT: A great looking and potentially fully functioning Text Generator GUI for VegasPro left high and dry by its own developers and without the Support to assist and generate solutions. All this can only indicate that the Re$ources for NLE TextGen have been reassigned and realigned elsewhere. Be it for bleeding-edge “Look-at-me” glossy-type fangdanglementia, and yes, we’ve had several of those in VP 😉 over the years, or a wish to accrue Staffers that need to improve their CVs. I’m thinking that a Text Generator just ain’t sexy enough to seduce the programmers to handle this task? Who needs another Text Editor? 😳 ? Again, not being negative here, but realistic. Not whining about what has happened, but wanting better. I’m always wanting better, and that means working, and that means getting to my Creative Ideas without the impedimenta of a hobbled Software. At its Core I believe that’s what VEGASPRO has striven for, an NLE that keeps out of the way and allows me to reach further and further.
 

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Jack S wrote on 1/1/2021, 5:26 AM

@Grazie Erm? Unworkable how?

Here goes. These are the issues I've reported to NewBlue.
Build 200903:-

Consequences of exiting Titler Pro using the green check icon without saving the title:-
You are not prompted to give the title a name and a location.
There is no indication of the location of the title.
A search for the title revealed that it had been saved in the location:
‘C:\Users\’UserName’\AppData\Roaming\NewBlue\Titler\Cache’.

With this build, if I wanted to archive my Vegas Pro project to, say, an external drive, I wouldn’t know where my nbtitle files were located to be able to archive these along with my project.
As I found out later on, it doesn’t matter if I save my titles to my own preferred folder. Titles and caching data only get updated in the default folder.
Even if I decide to archive the title files from the default folder, the filenames are so obscure that I wouldn’t know which ones belong to which project.

When you go to save a particular title using ‘File/Save As’, the default filename appearing in the ‘File name’ field is, for example, ‘{21fb9fe6-09f3-49c8-9d7c-bcceb036af52}.nbtitle’.

Regarding the location ‘C:\Users\’UserName’\AppData\Roaming\NewBlue\Titler\Cache’.
When does this location get purged, if at all? If it doesn’t get purged (and from what I’ve observed, it doesn’t), with very complex title designs, this is going to have an impact on the system disk space.

If I now decide to save my titles with unique filenames into a dedicated folder associated with my project, the title names in the title list retain their default name of Title 01 (or, as found later Title 02, etc).

After saving my titles with my preferred names and location, I then exit TP7 using the green check icon. This updates the title files and cache files in ‘C:\Users\’UserName’\AppData\Roaming\NewBlue\Titler\Cache’, NOT in my preferred location.

If I save the 4 titles to my desired location with my desired names, the titles in my title list retain their default names.

If I then go to share a design, I get a list of the obscure filenames:-

How do I know which title is which?

Build 201016:-

In Standalone Mode

Loading a template from the library results in its Title List name changing to the name of the template. You are unable to rename this title.
If you save this title with a different name then load it back in, the name remains the same as the template name.
If you select File/New, a default title is displayed BUT the title name in the Title List remains as it was in the previous title. How do you resolve this?
If you change something in the title then exit with the green check mark, the title is saved in the last saved location with the name Title – 01.nbtitle.
If you then open the title (as in 4 above) the title opens OK, but the name in the Title List remains the same as the original Library template name

In Plug-in Mode

Titles added to the timeline have seemingly random names allocated in the Title List. Three titles placed on the timeline resulted in the names Title 2, Title 4 and Title 7.
Titles and caching data are still stored in ‘C:\Users\[UserName]\AppData\Roaming\NewBlue\Titler\Cache’.
Titles are still saved with obscure names, such as,
‘{2f708ed1-4ed6-4da5-b009-91b2e013c625}.nbtitle’.
No improvement with the Design Sharing mechanism.

As in Standalone Mode, loading a template from the library results in its Title List name changing to the name of the template. You are unable to rename this title.

Build 201109:-

Nothing changed (as far as I could ascertain) from build 201016.

Apologies for the detail, but you did ask.

EDIT I've just realised that we've gone off topic here, so that's the last you'll here from me about TP7 (in this post).

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Grazie wrote on 1/1/2021, 6:30 AM

@Jack S - Thank you for your most fulsome reply, I mean it. What we have both done here, I believe, is to flag-up an experience of a Titler that should influence those decision makers for VegasPro to be aware of what needs to happen for an improved Text GenMed for the future. Again, thanks for your reply and I shall shortly reinstall the Build that SHOULD work.

Again, I’m not negative - I want better, for me and for all of us.

steve-kauzlarich wrote on 1/4/2021, 6:49 PM

Due to another post, I too had another look at PTT. It does the job, but certainly not up to 2020 standards. I could never find a way to copy a cells style and past it to a new cell. Have I missed something? I do wish that Magix would spend some time on it though because it sure did a lot 15 years ago. But, has it totally disappeared int V-17/18? I can't find it there.

I also have Bluff. It produces amazing results! But it's very complicated and the UI is horrible. I've used it a few times, and then only modified a couple of their built in templates - no way could I 'scratch-build" something from it. Plus, no plug in.

BCC? I've probably spent over $1,500 on their software, but only use a couple of video plugins. I've tried their titler as well, but I'd rather take a shot at flying a 747.

NewBlue? I've used it for a few years (but certainly not as much as most of you on this thread). Countless crashes and loss of titles in version 4, so I never trusted it. It seemed to lose connection with Vegas 13, so I saved every title as I went - really cumbersome after using the built-in rock solid (basic) titlers in Vegas. And it always defaulted to 'shared' which I never wanted it to do. NB wouldn't listen. I asked repeatedly for an option to turn this feature off. In fact, NB has no options really. I recently upgraded to NB7, but can't use it now because it crashes every time I try to save... Oh well, I do like the fairly simple design.

I should also say, that my quest for a good titler program goes back to the Fast Video Machine days. Back then there was Alpha CG which was amazing, but crashed if you didn't do everything in the exact right order (one that I learned myself of course).

So for now, I'm stuck with NB6, which also has its bugs. If any one has a better solution, please let us know.

Amivideotek wrote on 1/5/2021, 2:07 AM

@steve-kauzlarich

It does the job, but certainly not up to 2020 standards...

It is therefore I asking for some updates from ProType Titler, to improve it even further.
But I've already tried some text editors and the one that can best compare to the text animator in After-Effects to create cascading text is ProType Titler!

Look at Amivideotek wrote on 12/5/2020, 9:57 AM point 13 on this page point 13 :

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-19-feature-requests--123432/?page=6

I also have Bluff. It produces amazing results! But it's very complicated and the UI is horrible....

For create 3D texts I found Aurora 3D Animation Maker very easy to use and gave pretty nice results! You can write the animation down with a transparent background and as an image sequence. Then you can import it back into Vegas Pro to render your entire project in Vegas Pro.

I tried Bluff recently, but my first impression wasn't positive and I quickly stopped. And I got the same impression with NewBlue Titler Pro!

BCC? I've probably spent over $1,500 on their software, but only use a couple of video plugins. I've tried their titler as well, but I'd rather take a shot at flying a 747.

On the other hand, I think Boris Title Studio is very good, but it also requires a lot of practice.

Before I try Boris Red and this works very well like Boris Title Pro. Boris Red can also be used as a plugin in Vegas Pro and never had any problems with its use. Boris Red was and remains a worthy programme but development was also stopped. What a pity!

Boris Red and Boris Title Studio work in a similar way. If you can work with one, you'll soon be on your way with the other. This Example was made with Boris Red and you can get the exact same with Boris Title Studio.

Boris Title Studio is included if you buy Hitfilm Pro. Last month (12/2020) the price of Hitfilm Pro was very low and interesting to buy. You can open Hitfilm Pro in Vegas Pro as a Plugin.

 

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