Re problem issues with NBFX Titler Pro 7, NBFX have just released an update to Total FX which contains the following updates for Titler Pro 7:

New Features

Users can now edit title names directly from Titler Pro's Title List

• This quality of life change streamlines workflow by removing the need to load a title before renaming.

Added option to specify cache directory in Titler Pro

• Users now have more control over hard disk management by choosing a custom directory to store cached title files.

Bug Fixes

Fixed incoherent names in "Shared Title" drop-down list

• The "design sharing" drop-down menus now use names from the Title List (instead of the previously used internal Titler ID).

Restored new title workflow for Premiere.

• Restored Titler Pro 7 to Premiere's default "New Synthetic" behavior when adding new titles.

I can't find anything on NBFX's website about whether Titler Pro 7 bought alone will get this update (but you'd think so) but assume that the update advice would come via email and/or the NB App Manager.

@Dexcon - When are you going to give it a go?

When are you going to give it a go?

Simply put - NBFX Titler Pro 7 is unusable for me.

In an existing project where the titles were created using TP6, every time I go to an NB title, I get the "Preparing Titles (scrub to refresh)" . Scrubbing doesn't work. TP7 has to opened and the title saved - or the green tick ticked - in order to get the title to appear and/or to get the 'Preparing' warning to disappear. Go to the next title and its the same. Go back to the previous title where the refresh has occurred and incredibly its the same 'Preparing' issue again. I tried turning on and off GPU in TP7 and in VP18 - no difference.

Thinking it might be a problem recreated between TP6 and 7, I tried opening a clean brand new project with just a generated media on the timeline with TP7 added on the track above. The 'Preparing' thing wasn't such an issue, but TP7's biggest downfall soon became apparent, and that is that moving a title (the default that appears) does not update on VP's preview window until such time that the mouse has been clicked in TP7's workspace. Switching between 'Close Media files when not the active application' checked or unchecked made no difference. Changing TP7's preview quality down to Draft made no difference. Even just adding TP7 as an FX dire4ctly to the video event made no difference to the lack of real time updating in VP's preview window, though the movement was fluid in TP7's workspace (as was already the case) - and in TP7's workspace, the video event's image was visible behind the title which is a good thing.

I then uninstalled TotalFX7 and followed an NBFX support response from years ago about how to fully uninstall TP6 (including in RegEdit) and then ran CCleaner (registry clean) a few times to get rid of any NBFX entries. After rebooting the computer and re-installing TotalFX7, I was disappointed to find that TP7 still acted in exactly the same way as before.

I then did the full uninstall and removal process and installed TotalFX3 and TP6. Problem solved. Titler Pro 6 works properly and VP's preview window updates in real time when designing the title layout in TP6.

I think I'll stick with this setup even though TP6 has the occasional issue of disappearing titles - but that is much more preferable for me than the complete inability to design a title via VP's preview window and then have to suffer the 'Preparing' issue when going to any TP7 title on VP's timeline.

I think I'll stick with this setup even though TP6 has the occasional issue of disappearing titles - but that is much more preferable for me than the complete inability to design a title via VP's preview window and then have to suffer the 'Preparing' issue when going to any TP7 title on VP's timeline.

@Dexcon - Yes, exactly.

As I said before, ProType Titler is the future 📡🚀🌌🏆💡📈💲😀 and should be further developed in my opinion!

@Amivideotek - My opinion? Not ever gonna happen. It appears to me that the VP Developers would rather allow and be dependant on 3rd party partners to pickup the slack.

I’ve expensively “flirted” with, NEWBLUE TITLER Pro, it used to be great, now it’s a mess with no Support-Roadmap for a way back with Support tickets ignored or recognised there are bugs and there it stays; BORIS Titler is clunky and brim full of Bugs when used as a VegasPro Plug; If ProTypeTitler was to be developed further by VegasSoftware we would have known by now, we haven’t. So, as others, I’m needing to fall back on Title and Text and that other one.

Recap: VP is stuck in the Past with ancient Titlers, and dependant on 3rd Parties, being polite here, ill-placed at best and not wishing to change this “comfortable”, risk-averse, status quo.

My experience exactly with NB and Boris. I can't trust NB, too dependent on its stored files. I've had big problems with things disappearing and other headaches. Boris is too complicated for simple titles. I've given Pro type Title another look, and although it's clunky, it always works and my titles are part of the veg.

That's another point where I'm hugely disappointed in the new version of Vegas Pro 19!
That ProType Titler stays in the corner of oblivation!

We all know the situation. So does @VEGASDerek and @GaryRebholz and the Team. Everybody wants a better TITLER. From reading between the lines, there needs to be purchasing power to bring in the necessary expertise to deliver what we want.

In the meantime, ProType Titler frustrates me, and it really shouldn’t, and I don’t see it being further developed any time soon; NewBlue has ruined, for me, the last incarnation with its failing GUI and Support and Development Pathway, forcing me to go back to an earlier/previous version; BORIS Title Studio is hardly intuitive but it is solid.

@Grazie Boris Red stay also a good video editor with text editor and it can also be used as a plugin in Vegas Pro!

As the man said and I concur, "BORIS Title Studio is hardly intuitive but it is solid." which means it is worthless.

@Grazie Boris Red stay also a good video editor with text editor and it can also be used as a plugin in Vegas Pro!

@Amivideotek - Thou hast deeper pockets than thine! - Anyhoo, I've got VP 😎 . . .

@Grazie Yes I know, but you can only use the Text editor in Boris Red to edit a text in Vegas Pro.

Continue to use Protype Titler. The developers do not seem to have the source code for this plugin, which was developed by another company. The team never told us why this plugin is so bad.

@Grazie Yes I know, but you can only use the Text editor in Boris Red to edit a text in Vegas Pro.

@Amivideotek - Boris Continuum, which I have, which has Title Studio, which I've been referring to where I edit Text in VP.

... but you can only use the Text editor in Boris Red to edit a text in Vegas Pro.

Huh? Boris Red is a long discontinued and now legacy product. BCC Title Studio for many years has been the replacement for Red, and Title Studio is mostly definitely available as a plugin in Vegas Pro - been using it for years in Vegas Pro.

Yes, I know but I said this just for your information.

Continue to use Protype Titler. The developers do not seem to have the source code for this plugin, which was developed by another company. The team never told us why this plugin is so bad.

I've state it before, but here we go again...ProType titler has been deprecated. It really was nothing more than a prototype. We do have the source code for it, but the structure of this code really is not set up in a way for us to do any significant improvements to it. It simply is unmaintainable code that has very little in common with the rest of the VEGAS code base and is basically hacked into place right now. The initial hope, several years ago, was that we could put a user friendly OFX UI around it and exploit the engine ProType uses. That was only marginally successful (thus we got Titles and Text). The real solution is for us to create a new titler and that is what we continue to hope to pursue at some point.

@VEGASDerek - Thanks again as well.

And thank you for keeping ProType breathing. Everyday I still get good use out of it as quirky as it is.

In contrast to the UI of Vegas, the protype titler looks incredibly modern. It's a pity you didn't get inspired by this plugin when changing the vegas UI. Therefore, many people still do not understand why you wrote it off. It looks better than all of Vegas. You can have each letter differently colored. You can bend the text. You can edit animated texts. The only thing I still miss is solid gpu and 3d text support. But ok. The code is wrong.

Save at least its great design and the possibilities it brings to users.

Continue to use Protype Titler. The developers do not seem to have the source code for this plugin, which was developed by another company. The team never told us why this plugin is so bad.

I've state it before, but here we go again...ProType titler has been deprecated. It really was nothing more than a prototype. We do have the source code for it, but the structure of this code really is not set up in a way for us to do any significant improvements to it. It simply is unmaintainable code that has very little in common with the rest of the VEGAS code base and is basically hacked into place right now. The initial hope, several years ago, was that we could put a user friendly OFX UI around it and exploit the engine ProType uses. That was only marginally successful (thus we got Titles and Text). The real solution is for us to create a new titler and that is what we continue to hope to pursue at some point.

There used to be a little DB program that allowed networking, scheduling, address book and contact manager, basic project timeline support, and more, easy to use and lightweight. It was called NetManage Ecco Pro. I believe it came out in 1994 or so. It was bought by a larger company and killed. It's still on my windows 10 machine and my wife's, as she regularly uses it - 20+ years now. Pro type titler reminds me of Ecco, though I don't think Sony or Magix tried to kill PTT.

If PTT could be modified for graphic import/export, copy/paste, grouping and re-ordering of cells we'd all have a dynamite, lightweight, dependable & easy to use titler for Vegas. I'm not sure what it would take to get there, but it doesn't seem like a huge deal for seasoned developers.

but it doesn't seem like a huge deal for seasoned developers.

If we felt the very significant time it would take to improve PTT would be worth the effort, we would have worked on doing those improvements many years ago. Even when our previous owner was actively developing VP (with way more engineering resources than we currently have), we felt it was not a viable option to expand PTT.

The real frustration for both our users and the engineers is that we simply have not been able find the time to develop a new titler.

Hello,

I had a nice wish last year : Upgrade ProType Titler. In the meantime, I understand that it will not come true. One of the points was spinning letters in cascade with ProType Titler.
So now I'm just doing it in a less easy way through ProType Titler along with DVE-fx from Boris Continuum. And so also it goes...

VEGASDerek wrote on 8/24/2021, 10:51 PM

The real frustration for both our users and the engineers is that we simply have not been able find the time to develop a new titler.

Maybe you don't need to develop a new titler yourself?

I'm using BluffTitler:

https://www.outerspace-software.com/blufftitler

It is different (I like that) but very powerful for fast titles and for advanced titles and even 3D scenes.

Developed by a small company that is fully committed to what they do.

Rock solid, GPU powered, low cost and is actively being further developed.

All you need to do is get in touch with the developers and put together some exchange code for it. The user experience should be that it is integrated into Vegas Pro (like Hitfilm is semi integrated in Vegas Pro; some file exchanges in the background and some menu options from the Vegas GUI).

I think it would cost the Vegas team very little effort.

Just my idea.