Vegas Replaced the footage

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gwailo wrote on 7/18/2011, 3:13 PM
I'm pretty sure this bug is only caused by having 2 vegas projects open at the same time.

After saving / closing / re-opening even if it's only 1 vegas open after that point, this problem will appear.

So I highly recommend avoiding having 2 vegas open at the same time.
Steve Mann wrote on 7/18/2011, 3:17 PM
There is no single commonality in the reports of this bug. I experienced it on one project a few months ago, and not since.
Randy Brown wrote on 7/18/2011, 4:49 PM
So I highly recommend avoiding having 2 vegas open at the same time.

Sadly, that's not an option for me.
Randy Brown wrote on 7/18/2011, 4:55 PM
There is no single commonality in the reports of this bug.

How would you know that Steve, have you read the problem reporting tickets?
I'm not trying to be an A-hole my friend but I just don't understand how you can make a statement like that.

I experienced it on one project a few months ago, and not since.

I'm happy for you Steve and it hasn't happened to me since the latest version but there was no mention of a fix in the last release notes.
winrockpost wrote on 7/18/2011, 5:12 PM
I agree Randy.... how anyone knows of commonality well they don't .. those who post on this site are like what 1% or .001% of the people that use vegas.. anyway done with it and hope sonyfixes this
Don Sweger wrote on 7/19/2011, 9:29 AM
I also reported this bug to Sony in June, and since I could re-create it very solidly, they had me upload enough files to try to reproduce the bug in their machines.

The good news is that they were able to re-produce the failure with my files and are now working on it.... The support rep working with me said they would get back to me with any results.....

In my case, once the veg file corruption occured, it does not matter which version of Vegas I used, the incorrect video appeared in the timelime. 10e did not fix it!
Don Sweger wrote on 8/8/2011, 8:25 AM
The most recent official answer from Sony....

I hope the fix at least gets into 11.0........

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Hi Don,

Thank you for your patience. Our development team is testing this issue and looking for the cause, but at the moment they are unable to provide a fix. The hope is that in a future update we will resolve this issue. Thank you for your understanding and please be on the look out for any updates that may resolve your issue. If I receive any additional information about the issue I will update this incident.

If you still have a follow-up question on this particular incident, please feel free to update it. If you have a completely different question, please create a new incident.

Sincerely,

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Steve Mann wrote on 8/8/2011, 9:34 AM
To those who doubt my experience as a tech support manager in a past life - what Tech Support is telling Don, as I postulated before, is that they have seen the problem but can't duplicate it to find the cause.

As far as my insight into the commonality - or lack thereof - no two posters on the forum have described the same conditions that cause the problem to present. While the forum users may represent a microcosm of users, it's still a diverse enough group that repeatable problem patterns do develop for bug discovery. There is no noticeable pattern to this problem, so to expect any fix for a problem that can't be repeated in a controlled condition is a stretch. In other words, if SCS can't break it, they can't fix it.

Personally, I think it's a Microsoft problem. There's a similar issue in Outlook if an email msg file contains more than 100 attachments. The O/S returns the wrong file handle for the attachment. Excel has a similar issue, but there doesn't seem to be a repeatable pattern here, but programmers are suspecting a bad VBA call in the MSVCr90.DLL.
Randy Brown wrote on 8/8/2011, 10:47 AM
no two posters on the forum have described the same conditions that cause the problem to present.

I think all posters would agree; you close a project that you've worked your ass off with and later re-open it and all or some of the damned clips have been replaced....if I sound pissy, well it just happened to me again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Worked hours on a montage with a bunch of 1-3 second clips and some of them are replaced. As usual I have to go back to a prior version to copy the correct clip ...I am thankful that at least there is a workaround but man I hope they get this straightened out soon!
farss wrote on 8/9/2011, 2:19 AM
"Personally, I think it's a Microsoft problem. There's a similar issue in Outlook if an email msg file contains more than 100 attachments. The O/S returns the wrong file handle for the attachment. Excel has a similar issue, but there doesn't seem to be a repeatable pattern here, but programmers are suspecting a bad VBA call in the MSVCr90.DLL. "

A file handle is only a temporary pointer to a file. If that was happening closing and reopening the project would fix the issue and that does not happen.

What is very strange is the corrupted project file knows the correct file to open, it shows it in the Project Media and on the timeline but that isn't the file that it opens. This suggests that in the project file is storing two references to the files, one of which is used to display the full file name and another to actually open it. To me that is dangerous coding. If such a stratergy is required for some reason then there should be a mechanism to check that the two file names are not different.

There are in fact many consistencies to every report of this problem. The project never even tries to use anything but a media file. The file wrongly used was at some time in the project.
The best guess anyone has come up with is the Undo buffer is being corrupted.

Bob.
Don Sweger wrote on 8/9/2011, 10:05 AM

On one hand, this seems so elementary, that it is inconceivable to display Clip A when Clip B is in the media properties.
On the other hand, this is a very complicated dance between, the OS, and many other pieces of code inside, or associated with Vegas. I can also understand that even though they can re-create the problem with my source files, that they don't know how it got that way.

As Randy mentioned, it is rather upsetting to work on a project, saving it often, only to come back a day or so later and find it to be corrupted.

Almost need a script to save as every couple minutes, with some unique incremental file name, but that would quickly clutter up the mess with so many veg files.....
altarvic wrote on 8/9/2011, 10:51 AM
> need a script
Try this one
altarvic wrote on 8/11/2011, 11:23 PM
BTW, can anyone who ran into this problem share a small example project?
It can be a small part of original project with a few events on the timeline.
I want to see how this looks like and explore this bug more thoroughly.
PeterDuke wrote on 8/12/2011, 12:15 AM
I don't think it happens with small projects. Anybody want to contradict? With me it was when I had say 1000 clips on the timeline and I was shuffling them about.
amendegw wrote on 8/12/2011, 3:00 AM
"I don't think it happens with small projects. Anybody want to contradict?"Whoa! I've been following this thread with some interest feeling fortunate that it's never happened to me. Then just this morning, I find what appears to be the bass-ackward instance of this problem.

I'd been playing with ushere's "awful footage" clip in a Vegas project. I closed that project and opened a 2 clip project that had Mercalli V2 stabilization. Fiddled with the 00033.mts clip including resetting some Mercalli settings. Finally, deleted the event and hit Cntl-Z to get it back. Nothing happened, so I went to Project Media to retrieve it and here's what I saw (this screenprint was taken after I dragged the 00033.mts clip to the timeline):


Tried to repeat my steps and could not recreate.

I'm using Vegas 10.0e, 64bit.

...Jerry

PS: I guess ushere's Old Guy has turned into a tiger! [chuckle]

Edit: Just so there's no misunderstanding in what I see... clip 00033.mts is of a tiger. There error appears to be in the thumbnail image in the Project Media tab.

System Model:     Alienware M18 R1
System:           Windows 11 Pro
Processor:        13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13980HX, 2200 Mhz, 24 Core(s), 32 Logical Processor(s)

Installed Memory: 64.0 GB
Display Adapter:  NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU (16GB), Nvidia Studio Driver 566.14 Nov 2024
Overclock Off

Display:          1920x1200 240 hertz
Storage (8TB Total):
    OS Drive:       NVMe KIOXIA 4096GB
        Data Drive:     NVMe Samsung SSD 990 PRO 4TB
        Data Drive:     Glyph Blackbox Pro 14TB

Vegas Pro 22 Build 194

Cameras:
Canon R5 Mark II
Canon R3
Sony A9

Randy Brown wrote on 8/12/2011, 5:28 AM
It looks like I was wrong in thinking one had to close and re-open a project for the replacement to happen....interesting find Jerry, thanks!
PeterDuke wrote on 8/12/2011, 7:40 AM
AAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!! IT"S GOT ME!!!! (again)

I have a DVD project about 86 minutes long that I modified by cutting off the last 1.5 minutes and doing a SaveAs to a new project name. When I opened the new project again some time later, I noticed that many generated text events (subtitles) had been replaced by video. The replacements seemed to be more or less random throughout the project, but the video that had been copied came from the 46 - 63 minute vicinity. No video has been replaced that I have noticed.

I have now repeated the delete and SaveAs twice more, with exactly (superficial look only) the same results.

The project is DV AVI material with some brightness adjustments but nothing much else.

I am using Vegas 9.0e 64 bit, and have 9.0e 32 bit and 10.0e 64 bit also installed. I have 12 GB RAM.
Randy Brown wrote on 8/12/2011, 8:34 AM
I am using Vegas 9.0e 64 bit.....
Oh, I've been thinking it was only a VP10 issue
winrockpost wrote on 8/12/2011, 3:24 PM
............don't think it happens with small projects. Anybody want to contradict?


Yes,, my project was small,, maybe 40 clips, total of 30 minutes or so of raw video.
MUTTLEY wrote on 8/12/2011, 3:50 PM

And speaking of small projects it looks like Jerry's only has two clips in it!

- Ray
Underground Planet
amendegw wrote on 8/12/2011, 3:56 PM
"And speaking of small projects it looks like Jerry's only has two clips in it!"Exactly correct! The one thing that appears common is that I hit Cntl-Z (undo) just prior to the corruption.

...Jerry

System Model:     Alienware M18 R1
System:           Windows 11 Pro
Processor:        13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13980HX, 2200 Mhz, 24 Core(s), 32 Logical Processor(s)

Installed Memory: 64.0 GB
Display Adapter:  NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU (16GB), Nvidia Studio Driver 566.14 Nov 2024
Overclock Off

Display:          1920x1200 240 hertz
Storage (8TB Total):
    OS Drive:       NVMe KIOXIA 4096GB
        Data Drive:     NVMe Samsung SSD 990 PRO 4TB
        Data Drive:     Glyph Blackbox Pro 14TB

Vegas Pro 22 Build 194

Cameras:
Canon R5 Mark II
Canon R3
Sony A9

PeterDuke wrote on 8/12/2011, 5:31 PM
I didn't do any undo. All I did was select the last several clips, hit delete and remove a marker, followed by SaveAs.
amendegw wrote on 8/12/2011, 5:38 PM
"I didn't do any undo. All I did was select the last several clips, hit delete and remove a marker, followed by SaveAs."Hmmmm.... I guess that just leaves the recent solar flares as the common denominator. [grin]

...Jerry

System Model:     Alienware M18 R1
System:           Windows 11 Pro
Processor:        13th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-13980HX, 2200 Mhz, 24 Core(s), 32 Logical Processor(s)

Installed Memory: 64.0 GB
Display Adapter:  NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 Laptop GPU (16GB), Nvidia Studio Driver 566.14 Nov 2024
Overclock Off

Display:          1920x1200 240 hertz
Storage (8TB Total):
    OS Drive:       NVMe KIOXIA 4096GB
        Data Drive:     NVMe Samsung SSD 990 PRO 4TB
        Data Drive:     Glyph Blackbox Pro 14TB

Vegas Pro 22 Build 194

Cameras:
Canon R5 Mark II
Canon R3
Sony A9

PeterDuke wrote on 8/12/2011, 6:14 PM
Today I did some more experimenting, but I am now unable to repeat the problem.