Vegas V15 crashes on opening of a project created in V15

Julius_ wrote on 9/20/2017, 8:30 PM

*Panic Mode in effect*

I started a new project with Vegas V15. My project has about 400 clips some are .mov from my canon 7d and others are from my new panasonic HC-X1. I was editing on the project fine for 2 days..just straight cuts except for 1 clip that has twixtor on it. I was almost done, and today when I try and open the file I get a crash!!

Watch the crash happen here:

https://vimeo.com/234774455

My settings here:

https://vimeo.com/234774729

I've edited about 50 videos in Vegas 13 without problems using the same work flow, and never a crash. I start a new project in V15 and it crashes....also if I open a V13 project in V15 it crashes..but it I go from V13 to V14 then V15, then it works. However for this project I started with V15 and I am dead in the water.

I never got an error message...but 1 time I did: remember that this crashes when I try and open the project

Help! Help!

Comments

Julius_ wrote on 9/20/2017, 8:46 PM

Update: I renamed a file that I used in Vegas V15 (rendered to a AVI file using the lagarith codec). And the project opened!! Of course the file is not found because I renamed it.

In V13 this is my flow and it works..must I not use lagarith? How do I disable it for V15 only? ..or is there another codec I can use that was as good as the lossless codec of lagarith???

Magix: I could never get an error message....it just happened once that I was fortunate to have gotten that error message...I must of loaded the project about 20times by now and it just crashes. Would be nice to have an error.

Kinvermark wrote on 9/20/2017, 9:04 PM

Odd behavior. Should work with lagarith, but to answer your question...

cineform, MagicYUV, XAVC-I.... search forum for "intermediate" to see full discussions.

NickHope wrote on 9/20/2017, 9:45 PM

For a lossless WMV codec, MagicYUV would be my 1st choice, and UT Video Codec my 2nd. Both now "superior" to Lagarith in my experience.

Julius_ wrote on 9/21/2017, 5:10 AM

Nick...where do you select MagicYUV or UT? In my render as, I select Video for Windows, then I pick a template, and in the settings under the Video format, I dont see MagixYUV or UT.

Thanks

Grazie wrote on 9/21/2017, 5:22 AM

For a lossless WMV codec, MagicYUV would be my 1st choice, and UT Video Codec my 2nd. Both now "superior" to Lagarith in my experience.

Superior in what way? Always willing to learn.

NickHope wrote on 9/21/2017, 5:51 AM

Nick...where do you select MagicYUV or UT? In my render as, I select Video for Windows, then I pick a template, and in the settings under the Video format, I dont see MagixYUV or UT.

Thanks

Render As > Video For Windows > Choose the best template in terms of resolution and frame rate > Customize Template > Video format > Choose MagicYUV or UT then "Configure".

For a lossless WMV codec, MagicYUV would be my 1st choice, and UT Video Codec my 2nd. Both now "superior" to Lagarith in my experience.

Superior in what way? Always willing to learn.

A combination of render speed, file size, and (most importantly for me), decode speed (= playback smoothness). I reported some tests in this comment. It didn't include Lagarith, but I remember testing Lagarith against UT Video Codec before MagicYUV was around.

Julius_ wrote on 9/21/2017, 7:30 AM

I don't have that option in my pull down

NickHope wrote on 9/21/2017, 7:43 AM

You need to install the codec: MagicYUV and/or UT Video Codec.

GJeffrey wrote on 9/21/2017, 7:45 AM

I don't have that option in my pull down

To get MagicYUV encoding capabilities you should install it by downloading it here

Julius_ wrote on 9/21/2017, 8:18 AM

Which one do I get..Free, Standard or Ultimate?

I'm looking for lossless codec with a small file size...render speed doesnt matter for me.

Thank YOU!

GJeffrey wrote on 9/21/2017, 8:25 AM

Which one do I get..Free, Standard or Ultimate?

Free one should be fine. Standard is all you can get with Vegas as 8bits+ is not supported.

It's lossless so it won't be small size

NickHope wrote on 9/21/2017, 8:26 AM

The free one is "Previous release (1.2-rev2)" and should work OK. "Standard" is now $9.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 9/21/2017, 11:19 AM

The free one is "Previous release (1.2-rev2)" and should work OK. "Standard" is now $9.

How well does MagicYUV compare to Cineform or XVAC 422 intermediates for editing? File size comparisons?

Kinvermark wrote on 9/21/2017, 11:33 AM

Versus cineform: larger but faster/smoother (somewhat variable as there are different flavours of each). Also, note that Gopro have discontinued studio, so the fate of the cineform codec is uncertain. Bummer. :)

Cliff Etzel wrote on 9/21/2017, 11:38 AM

Versus cineform: larger but faster/smoother (somewhat variable as there are different flavours of each). Also, note that Gopro have discontinued studio, so the fate of the cineform codec is uncertain. Bummer. :)

I was wondering about the fate of Cineform... I've been using XVZC-L 422 intermediates and they seem to be working very well so far but really liked Cineform. A shame that GoPro is a mess of a company in that regards... Look at their Karma Drone...

Kinvermark wrote on 9/21/2017, 11:44 AM

I know. I guess they just grew too fast without a plan to deal with inevitable competition. Cineform studio has some unique benefits - like metadata colour, Flux slow motion, LUT's...

Cliff Etzel wrote on 9/21/2017, 11:59 AM

I know. I guess they just grew too fast without a plan to deal with inevitable competition. Cineform studio has some unique benefits - like metadata colour, Flux slow motion, LUT's...

A shame for CIneform as it really is a good option but they are getting dropped due to mismanagement... it should be open sourced and let it grow organically as a result IMO

NickHope wrote on 9/21/2017, 12:36 PM

How well does MagicYUV compare to Cineform or XVAC 422 intermediates for editing? File size comparisons?

I saw some tests earlier this year that compared MagicYUV against Cineform RGB444 (filmscan 2) and Cineform YUV422 (filmscan 2) and some other contending formats for intermediates. My personal conclusion was that MagicYUV RGB is a clear winner as an 8-bit intermediate. Cineform didn't really seem to have any advantages over it at all, except pehaps those features Kinvermark mentioned, if you need those. Besides, MagicYUV is lossless and will smart render, which Cineform isn't and won't. If you really need smaller intermediate files than MagicYUV, or your machine can't cope with decoding MagicYUV then go with XAVC-Intra. If you need MUCH smaller files then I don't really know. We know there have been decoding issues with playback and loading of XAVC long-GOP files, which still exist as far as I know, so XAVC-L might not be the best choice.

I suggest you try them yourself.

Kinvermark wrote on 9/21/2017, 12:51 PM

I am happy enough to move to MagicYUV. Seems pretty solid. Just need a replacement for the FLUX capability in Gopro Studio. Twixtor is expensive and version 6 was released years ago. Any alternatives?

Marco. wrote on 9/21/2017, 1:06 PM

It's a bit off topic but some of the advantages of CineForm are – it's capable of 10 processing in Vegas Pro and it's SMPTE standardized as VC-5.

Julius_ wrote on 9/21/2017, 1:07 PM

what I loved about lagarith was that the file size were small (and lossless)..I don't know how they did it.....I tried downloading the Free version, but it's asking for a donation!?!

Julius_ wrote on 9/21/2017, 2:51 PM

Hey Nick...

A million thanks for that tip...I just tried the new codec and I'm a happy camper!! The file size was almost the same as lagarith...as for quality, I couldn't really tell...but the rendering was way to quick ( a bonus)....also I didn't end up with the donation....not sure what I did (reject. cancel, accept, see cart..somehow I got it to download without giving my credit card)

THANK YOU!!! THANK YOU Nick.....Hip Hip!

Cliff Etzel wrote on 9/21/2017, 5:05 PM

I'm more concerned about the balance between file size, image quality and RT playback in Vegas Pro 13 - XVAC-I seems to bring the best of all aspects - and from what I've been able to determine there's no difference in IQ when converting - Is there a disadvantage to using XVAC-I as compared to MagicYUV/Cineform?

NickHope wrote on 9/21/2017, 11:45 PM

I'm more concerned about the balance between file size, image quality and RT playback in Vegas Pro 13 - XVAC-I seems to bring the best of all aspects - and from what I've been able to determine there's no difference in IQ when converting - Is there a disadvantage to using XVAC-I as compared to MagicYUV/Cineform?

MagicYUV is lossless. XAVC-I and Cineform are near lossless but they are lossy and you can see this on the scopes or if you pixel-peep and of course the quality will gradually degrade if you render multiple multiple generations. Having said that, they are great codecs used by many for intermediates.

Here are some contenders for use as an 8-bit intermediate:

Lossless

Huffyuv
Lagarith
UT Video Codec
MagicYUV

Lossy (but some of them may have lossless variants)

Cineform
XAVC-I
ProRes
DNxHD / DNxHR
Grass Valley HQ/HQX etc.

As stated earlier, my recommendation for an 8-bit intermediate is MagicYUV (RGB flavour) if you have the space and power, or XAVC-I if you need smaller files and/or your machine/project can't decode MagicYUV smoothly.

10-bit is a different story.