Chances are the codec the camera uses for storage is better quality than the MJPEG you are using. I would compare. If you could capture to another format like uncompressed thru the Intensity Pro, that would be better.

I have an Osmo Pocket 1, 2, and 3 and a couple of GoPro cameras. I just copy the files off the cards and drop them on the timeline. They all work just fine.

Motion JPEG is not a good option. I'd see if the camera can capture in a different format.

Thanks!

I need something small & light, so the Osmo Pocket 3 looks good! However, I don't want to record onto the camera and copy the files off the cards. It's too much of a hassle. I am playing around 200 jams during one piano session and I'd like to have them as separate files already on my computer drive. I could replace my current camera with something like the Osmo Pocket 3, but I have a couple of questions:

1. Can it stream a "clean" video image without any impediments (can the metadata & icons be turned off from the display / can it be left turned on for hours without it entering some power-saving modes and shutting down, etc)?
2. If so, what kind of socket does it use to output the video signal (micro HDMI)?
3. Do you think it will work with capture cards like the Blackmagic Intensity Pro / DeckLink Mini Recorder HD?

PS. Yes, my camcorder can record in different format, but I do not use it for recording, I only use it as a streaming device to feed the live video image into my computer. The Blackmagic Intensity Pro does a great job with its codec, as the files are small and look indistinguishable from the uncompressed format (which makes HUGE files).

My only wish is to find a contemporary, small, light camera / camcorder that I can use as streaming device and feed the video output into my capture card (be it Intensity Pro or DeckLink Mini Recorder HD, or whatever else that records files up to 1920x1080, 50/60 FPS.

Chances are the codec the camera uses for storage is better quality than the MJPEG you are using. I would compare. If you could capture to another format like uncompressed thru the Intensity Pro, that would be better.

Thanks, but the quality is not an issue. My camcorder does have the ability to record in various formats, but I do not use it for recording, I only use it as a streaming device to feed the live video image into my computer. The Blackmagic Intensity Pro does a great job with its codec, as the files are small and look indistinguishable from the uncompressed format (which makes HUGE files).

My only wish is to find a contemporary, small, light camera / camcorder that I can use as streaming device and feed the video output into my capture card (be it Intensity Pro or DeckLink Mini Recorder HD, or whatever else that records files up to 1920x1080, 50/60 FPS.

I make video essays, video game LP's, and live stream on twitch. For the live video feeds, I have multiple cameras set up for various angles, currently those cameras are 2 Sony a5100's and a a6600 mirrorless camera, and a GoPro Hero 5 black. Those all feed via HDMI into one of two ElGato Cam Link Pro's that I then send the video feed into OBS. I capture the video as a hybrid mp4 container using their CQP encoding option set to 22 and have pretty good quality for 1080p 60hz video.

I have wanted to record video for my live essays in 4k for better resolutions while editing, but my PC and hardware is unfortunately not up to that task. Due to the content that I use being primarily from video games I need the content to be at 60hz so I am not mixing frame rates in my project, and the only way that I can shoot in 4k is locked to 30hz on my a6600 when I record locally to it and then transfer the files to my PC. Technically I can shoot in 4k 60hz with my GoPro, but I run into a ~4minute time limit before the little thing turns itself into a hot coal and has to shutdown mid recording.

I am looking to eventually upgrade to a more appropriate 4k 60hz capable camera. Been eyeing a used BlackMagic Pocket Cinema 4k or a BlackMagic Micro Studio 4k G2 but don't quite have the finances for either of those options currently as they both fortunately/unfortunately seem to be holding their prices on the used market.

@KKS If you're capturing hdmi to a computer for recording, a NinjaV recording monitor could record hdmi from your present camera while offering more recording formats like ProRes. I own one of those and like it very much. If you're into Black Magic, their VideoAssist 12G is similar, adding braw which Vegas 22 can edit directly.

@KKS

Hi. I have a sort of similar setup. I currently use a BlackMagic Decklink Mini 4K Recorder, with a Sony HDR AX-53 attached. Though, when I record, I utilize OBS with a custom setting for ProRes:

It works well when I use it, though the recorded file can get rather large, especially when recording at 4K60p (I use the NTSC 29.970 or 59.940 settings in my two profiles). I do not use the BlackMagic Media Express software for recording, as I always seem to forget to set the Audio settings correctly, hence the use of OBS. This is on the newer AMD system in my signature (7960X on TRX50), so the recording goes to a PCI-e NVME 4.0x4 4TB drive. Everything else, between the two systems I just record to the Canon EOS R6, R6 Mk II, or R7 and copy the files over via a ProGrade SDXC reader, including all the GoPro's I have (5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, and now the 13 - which looks like the 12). I then use Shutter Encoder to transcode the Canons' (ProRes 422) or GoPros' (ProRes 422 LT), which works fine in Vegas Pro 19, 20, 21, and now 22.

If you are planning to upgrade your computer, and possibly camera/camcorder, and want to go 4K60 in the BlackMagic realm, with room to spare, they do have the Quad 4K HDMI, which is capable of 60p on all four HDMI connections. The camera/camcorder part, not touching that, as definitely don't want to get into some "Flame War" about which one is better. Though from what has been released by most all the manufacturers, they all do a great job. And with you having it stationary, in a much more controlled environment, well...

Good Luck!

@KKS See this response.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/help-with-render-on-youtube--147111/#ca924640

May need to experiment... but I agree to @Chief24, rather than using BMD's own utility to capture the video stream, I will think to use OBS to detect the BMD Intensity Pro hardware and use that as input device.

As for cameras, due to past Covid time, some latest cameras now feature a webcam ability where you just connect via USB to PC, and the PC will detect the camera unit as webcam-equal. My Sony ZV-E10 has that option.

I only have DJI Osmo Pocket 1, and can tell you, for your needs of 'streaming the video' from that camera is not possible, and I think this is the same to Osmo Pocket 3. Osmo Pocket is just a standalone recorder device.

@KKS If you're capturing hdmi to a computer for recording, a NinjaV recording monitor could record hdmi from your present camera while offering more recording formats like ProRes. I own one of those and like it very much. If you're into Black Magic, their VideoAssist 12G is similar, adding braw which Vegas 22 can edit directly.

Thanks! Do these devices (NinjaV / VideoAssist 12G) record onto my compurter SSD disk, or some kind of their internal memory, which entails later transferring these files onto my SSD?

I've become interested in the DeckLink Mini Recorder HD. It's the same company as my current card (Intensity Pro), but it has some advantages (smaller PCI-E size / slot, half the price, more & better capture recolution formats). I really appreciate having the recorded files straight on my hard drive without the necessity of copying from an SD card.

What do you think?

PS. Also, I would like to work with a device that does its own hardware encoding during the capture process. I would hate to do something like an USB-device + OBS Studio doing software / local CPU encoding. Because I assume this is the way it works - you can either have a hardware capture device which does hardware compression, or a direct connection of your video device and your computer but then a software needs to do the compression using your computers CPU.

@KKS

Hi. I have a sort of similar setup. I currently use a BlackMagic Decklink Mini 4K Recorder, with a Sony HDR AX-53 attached. Though, when I record, I utilize OBS with a custom setting for ProRes:

It works well when I use it, though the recorded file can get rather large, especially when recording at 4K60p (I use the NTSC 29.970 or 59.940 settings in my two profiles). I do not use the BlackMagic Media Express software for recording, as I always seem to forget to set the Audio settings correctly, hence the use of OBS. This is on the newer AMD system in my signature (7960X on TRX50), so the recording goes to a PCI-e NVME 4.0x4 4TB drive. Everything else, between the two systems I just record to the Canon EOS R6, R6 Mk II, or R7 and copy the files over via a ProGrade SDXC reader, including all the GoPro's I have (5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, and now the 13 - which looks like the 12). I then use Shutter Encoder to transcode the Canons' (ProRes 422) or GoPros' (ProRes 422 LT), which works fine in Vegas Pro 19, 20, 21, and now 22.

If you are planning to upgrade your computer, and possibly camera/camcorder, and want to go 4K60 in the BlackMagic realm, with room to spare, they do have the Quad 4K HDMI, which is capable of 60p on all four HDMI connections. The camera/camcorder part, not touching that, as definitely don't want to get into some "Flame War" about which one is better. Though from what has been released by most all the manufacturers, they all do a great job. And with you having it stationary, in a much more controlled environment, well...

Good Luck!

Thanks!!! I have the Sony HDR AX-53 on my potential replacement list! And the DeckLink Mini Recorder HD is my main canditate to replace the Intensity Pro!

I work with 1920 x x1080 progressive 50fps. No need for 4k.

I've become interested in the DeckLink Mini Recorder HD because it's the same company as my current card (Intensity Pro), but it has some advantages (smaller PCI-E size / slot, half the price, more & better capture recolution formats). I really appreciate having the recorded files straight on my hard drive without the necessity of copying from an SD card of a camera.

So you're saying that you have the BlackMagic Decklink Mini 4K Recorder, though, when you record, you utilize OBS with a custom setting for ProRes.

Do I understand correctly that if you were using the Decklink (for capturing a compressed video, not RAW), the compression would be done in a "hardware way", taking the load off your CPU, but since you're doing it via OBS + ProRes codec, all the straining encoding work is done via the "software way", using your CPU?

May need to experiment... but I agree to @Chief24, rather than using BMD's own utility to capture the video stream, I will think to use OBS to detect the BMD Intensity Pro hardware and use that as input device.

As for cameras, due to past Covid time, some latest cameras now feature a webcam ability where you just connect via USB to PC, and the PC will detect the camera unit as webcam-equal. My Sony ZV-E10 has that option.

I only have DJI Osmo Pocket 1, and can tell you, for your needs of 'streaming the video' from that camera is not possible, and I think this is the same to Osmo Pocket 3. Osmo Pocket is just a standalone recorder device.

But do I understand correctly that doing it via the USB / Webam way (in a OBS Studio possibly) means that all the straining encoding work is done via the "software way", using your CPU?

Whereas doing it "my way", using the Intensity Pro / Decklink Recorder (for capturing a compressed video, not RAW), the compression is be done in hardware way, taking the load off my CPU?

Thanks! Do these devices (NinjaV / VideoAssist 12G) record onto my compurter SSD disk, or some kind of their internal memory, which entails later transferring these files onto my SSD?

They are self contained recorders with a 5-inch display that use hdmi for input. I have the NinjaV and it records to a SanDisk Sata-SSD that plugs into the back. The Video Assist is similar. To read those ssd's on my laptop, I use a sata-usb cable. My desktops have dual sata plug trays in a drive bay which are faster. I really like the NinjaV. But I want to check out BRAW. So my plan is to eventually add a 12G to a newer camera rig.

Btw, the media is already an ssd disk so if you copy to another ssd, it's very fast. Or you can leave it there along with your Vegas project, archive it when it's full and/or done, and buy another one.

@KKS

Afternoon. Just got done doing some test recording.

Yes, I do record to OBS with the aforementioned settings (though just dropped the audio to pcm 16le @ 1536 Kbps). Not sure if the Decklink 4K does anything during the recording "hardware-wise" as you say, but I have plenty of cores, memory, and drive space to not worry about CPU utiilization. Again, this card is in my TRX50 build with a 7960X Threadripper and 128GB ECC memory.

But, out of curiosity, I played around with some recording of the AX-53 via OBS and BlackMagic Media Express. For the Media Express, I tried initially with the Motion JPEG AVI, then the 8-Bit YUV AVI. The first had the smallest bit rate of just under 300 Mbps (camera is 4K, so that is what I left it at). The Uncompressed AVI was just over 3 Gbps bit rate. Both looked fine in the playback feature of Media Express, as well as MPC-HC (via Happy Otter Scripts install for VEGAS Pro). Using all three versions of ProRes in OBS, ended up with both the "standard" and "aw" being anywhere from just under 500 Mbps to about 725 Mbps, with the "KS" variant (listed as the iCodec Pro on the dropdown in OBS), and listed as ProRes 422 HQ, was over 1.2 Gbps.

The biggest problem I saw, was using the Media Express, all the captures had a significant Audio Delay, that I could not find any setting for in the software. Not sure what BlackMagic software you are using that alleviates that, or possibly you are using a separate audio recorder and synching/linking the file?

This was more of a curiosity "soul searching" fact finding mission, but I will stick with my recording through OBS. The ProRes file works fine for me in all the versions I have (Currently 19, 20, and 21 on 7960X machine), and recording on all my Canon and GoPro cameras to their card and bringing onto computer via the ProGrade reader and eventually transcoding to ProRes 422 (Canons') and ProRes 422LT (GoPros') is "My" preferred workflow. I have previously tried the "GPU Hardware" recording through OBS, as well as both Shadow Play for nVidia and Radeon ReLive for AMD, and find both to be "Tempermental" a lot. Many people do fine with either, but not me. I can never seem to hit that "sweet spot", so again, CPU recording it is. Guess I have had really good luck since starting with a High End Desktop (HEDT) system, back with my first one using X59 on Intel.

I do like the Decklink 4K Mini Recorder, as I have used it with my Canon EOS R6 (when I first got it - and got my first taste of the camera overheating - poor settings - DumbA$$ User!). I think about getting the Quad HDMI version, but not sure how interesting I could possibly make some video with three or four cameras. Got the Horse Power and drive space to do it, but...

I have not tried the HD recorder, so I cannot truthfully give any advice on any update(s) on that version. The current 4K only does up to 30p (29.970), and I am hoping that BlackMagic will release one for 60p, without having to resort to the Quad version. Heck, I would have tried the Elgato or AverMedia capture cards, but both require using nVidia cards. Nope.

So, considering your next computer purchase or build, just ensure you get enough memory in correct pairs, allow for additional drive storage capabilties including enough for what you currently need, a mid-range GPU (nVidia, AMD, Intel - they all seem to work fine in VEGAS - always some kind of issue though!), and definitely DO NOT FORGET A UPS AND BACKUP DRIVE(S)!

@KKS

The biggest problem I saw, was using the Media Express, all the captures had a significant Audio Delay, that I could not find any setting for in the software. Not sure what BlackMagic software you are using that alleviates that, or possibly you are using a separate audio recorder and synching/linking the file?

This was more of a curiosity "soul searching" fact finding mission, but I will stick with my recording through OBS. The ProRes file works fine for me in all the versions I have (Currently 19, 20, and 21 on 7960X machine), and recording on all my Canon and GoPro cameras to their card and bringing onto computer via the ProGrade reader and eventually transcoding to ProRes 422 (Canons') and ProRes 422LT (GoPros') is "My" preferred workflow. I have previously tried the "GPU Hardware" recording through OBS, as well as both Shadow Play for nVidia and Radeon ReLive for AMD, and find both to be "Tempermental" a lot. Many people do fine with either, but not me. I can never seem to hit that "sweet spot", so again, CPU recording it is. Guess I have had really good luck since starting with a High End Desktop (HEDT) system, back with my first one using X59 on Intel.

I do like the Decklink 4K Mini Recorder, as I have used it with my Canon EOS R6 (when I first got it - and got my first taste of the camera overheating - poor settings - DumbA$$ User!). I think about getting the Quad HDMI version, but not sure how interesting I could possibly make some video with three or four cameras. Got the Horse Power and drive space to do it, but...

I have not tried the HD recorder, so I cannot truthfully give any advice on any update(s) on that version. The current 4K only does up to 30p (29.970), and I am hoping that BlackMagic will release one for 60p, without having to resort to the Quad version. Heck, I would have tried the Elgato or AverMedia capture cards, but both require using nVidia cards. Nope.

So, considering your next computer purchase or build, just ensure you get enough memory in correct pairs, allow for additional drive storage capabilties including enough for what you currently need, a mid-range GPU (nVidia, AMD, Intel - they all seem to work fine in VEGAS - always some kind of issue though!), and definitely DO NOT FORGET A UPS AND BACKUP DRIVE(S)!

Oh yes, I am recording my audio via a totally separate route. I have an audio card connected to my PC via USB (Behringer UMC-204 HD) and I am recording uncompressed audio through it in an audio editor (Steinberg Wavelab). Then I sync the audio & the video in Vegas. Having the video and audio material as independent, separate files gives me great flexibility.

You've nailed the video process perfectly. It's Blackmagic Media Express (which is super simple & intuitive) making great-looking, small-sized AVI files for me straight on my hard drive (Motion JPEG AVI). OBS seems like a convoluted overkill in comparison.

Do you think I can clone my video capturing proces if I switch from my regular Intensity Pro to the DeckLink Mini Recorder HD? I would love something smaller (Decklink uses a small x1 PCI-e slot as opposed to Intensity Pro 4k which needs to take the x4 medium-size slot). And I want to upgrade to 1920 x 1080 progressive - because for whatever reason my standard Intensity Pro does only 1920 x 1080 interlaced (ugly horizontal bars).

I am just scared of how much stories I have read over the past two weeks on the Internet. And scared of how much knowledge or experience one must have in order to make this whole environment work flawlessly. People fighting with codecs / artifacts, software versions, rolling back drivers, the CPU vs GPU rendering debate, some capture cards being incompatible with some motherboards, etc.

Excuse me if I'm flattering myself, but I consider myself an artist, not a technician. I would hate to waste time dealing with capricious machines. I mean, I love computers - but only if they do work and allow people to achieve higher aims. My modest aim is to compose music on my instruments and share it with my fans:) That's why I value my current flawless workflow so much and I would love to keep it the way it is, only with small improvements, on my new PC platform. It's enough stress for me that I will be switching from Vegas 15 to 19 - I hope there won't be many surprises.

"ensure you get enough memory in correct pairs," - do you mean that if my new i7-12700K CPU is "DDR5-4800" I should ensure that I also get a motherboard that has the exact same RAM parameters (5th generation) and get a piece of RAM memory that is DDR5 working at 4800 megahertz"? In some ready-built-pc offers I've seen a mismatch, like CPU having higher values but the RAM having lower Mhz and generation values. Thanks!