VP21 b300 and big problem with MXF

pierre-k wrote on 4/8/2024, 10:16 AM

I have a big problem with MXF files.
Vegas uses mxcompoundplug.dll

Although the videos play amazingly smoothly now, there are major problems.

1. For some interviews, the image is delayed by about a second. There are often artifacts in the video and flickering of images from another part of the file.

2. MXFs are imported as multichannel audio even if this option is not enabled.

3. If I open multiple MXF files, they look like this in the timeline:

I don't have time for more experiments. I am reverting back to a lower version.


Format                                   : MXF
Format version                           : 1.3
Format profile                           : OP-1a
Format settings                          : Closed / Complete
File size                                : 147 MiB
Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 51.5 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2023-06-07 09:46:50.000
Writing application                      : Sony Mem 2.00

Video
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High 4:2:2@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=3, N=12
Format settings, wrapping mode           : Frame
Codec ID                                 : 0D01030102106001-0401020201316001
Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 46.8 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 50.0 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.452
Stream size                              : 134 MiB (91%)
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
transfer_characteristics_Original        : xvYCC
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Delay_SDTI                               : 54494840

Audio #1
ID                                       : 3
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little
Format settings, wrapping mode           : Frame (AES)
Codec ID                                 : 0D01030102060300-0402020101000000
Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS (960 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 3.30 MiB (2%)
Delay_SDTI                               : 54494840
Locked                                   : Yes

Audio #2
ID                                       : 4
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little
Format settings, wrapping mode           : Frame (AES)
Codec ID                                 : 0D01030102060300-0402020101000000
Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS (960 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 3.30 MiB (2%)
Delay_SDTI                               : 54494840
Locked                                   : Yes

Audio #3
ID                                       : 5
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little
Format settings, wrapping mode           : Frame (AES)
Codec ID                                 : 0D01030102060300-0402020101000000
Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS (960 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 3.30 MiB (2%)
Delay_SDTI                               : 54494840
Locked                                   : Yes

Audio #4
ID                                       : 6
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Little
Format settings, wrapping mode           : Frame (AES)
Codec ID                                 : 0D01030102060300-0402020101000000
Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 152 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 1 channel
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS (960 SPF)
Bit depth                                : 24 bits
Stream size                              : 3.30 MiB (2%)
Delay_SDTI                               : 54494840
Locked                                   : Yes

Other #1
ID                                       : 1-Material
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : MXF TC
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 15:08:14:42
Time code of last frame                  : 15:08:38:41
Time code settings                       : Material Package
Time code, stripped                      : Yes

Other #2
ID                                       : 1-Source
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : MXF TC
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 15:08:14:42
Time code of last frame                  : 15:08:38:41
Time code settings                       : Source Package
Time code, stripped                      : Yes

Other #3
ID                                       : 7
Format                                   : Acquisition Metadata
Muxing mode                              : Ancillary data / RDD 18
Duration                                 : 24 s 0 ms
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Delay_SDTI                               : 54494840
IrisFNumber_FirstFrame                   : 5.600182
FocusPositionFromImagePlane_FirstFrame   : 9.400 m
AutoExposureMode_FirstFrame              : Full Auto
AutoFocusSensingAreaSetting_FirstFrame   : Manual
CaptureFrameRate_FirstFrame              : 50.000 fps
ShutterSpeed_Time_FirstFrame             : 1/50 s
CameraMasterGainAdjustment_FirstFrame    : 0.00 dB
ElectricalExtenderMagnification_FirstFra : 100%
AutoWhiteBalanceMode_FirstFrame          : Automatic

Other #4
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : SMPTE TC
Muxing mode                              : SDTI
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Time code of first frame                 : 15:08:14:42

 

Comments

VEGASMichael wrote on 4/8/2024, 4:51 PM

Which GPU do you use for decoding? The integrated Intel or the GTX 970?

pierre-k wrote on 4/9/2024, 12:31 AM

Which GPU do you use for decoding? The integrated Intel or the GTX 970?

I/O..... intel

Video settings... Intel. The latest drivers.

I tried selecting the Off option and the results are the same.

UltraVista wrote on 4/9/2024, 1:22 AM

More examples, these are 4:2:2 10bit AVC, so no hardware decoder is involved

Wolfgang S. wrote on 4/9/2024, 1:58 AM

What is "Sony Mem 2.00"?

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 4/9/2024, 2:01 AM

2. MXFs are imported as multichannel audio even if this option is not enabled.

See that also with FS7 MXF files. So, how were your files generated/shoot? I wonder, what Sony Mem is.

3. If I open multiple MXF files, they look like this in the timeline:

Does not happen with FS7 MXF files.

Maybe it would be good to have some short test files? If you can upload them.

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Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED (ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED (i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE, 32 GB Ram). Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB) with internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor. Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

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pierre-k wrote on 4/9/2024, 10:22 AM
 

Maybe it would be good to have some short test files? If you can upload them.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jwLElw3-T5om6lBp3t9y6o2PatM7M9qc/view?usp=drive_link

Reyfox wrote on 4/9/2024, 10:34 AM

I sent request to access the link....

pierre-k wrote on 4/9/2024, 10:40 AM

I sent request to access the link....

try it now

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jwLElw3-T5om6lBp3t9y6o2PatM7M9qc/view?usp=drive_link

Reyfox wrote on 4/9/2024, 11:20 AM

I will test in a bit. Thanks. I have a Zoom meeting right now, but i downloaded the zipped file.

pierre-k wrote on 4/9/2024, 11:23 AM

Try editing the files or slowing down. Bugs will come soon.

Harold-Linke wrote on 4/9/2024, 12:26 PM

@pierre-k, hi Pierre I downloaded your files and tested them with Build 300. I do not see this issues in my side.

The audio preview is correct and I do not see the issues you showed in your first video.

Also editing is no problem.I am using Intel for decoding too, but have a "very" old system (i7-7700 CPU).

Driver Version 27.20.100.8854.

I have an NVIDIA RTX 3050 for encoding.

I will continue tests tomorrow. Sorry for not being very helpfull now.

Harold

pierre-k wrote on 4/9/2024, 12:32 PM

Try to set intel or off everywhere. Thank you.

Reyfox wrote on 4/9/2024, 12:40 PM

@pierre-k like @Harold-Linke, I too have no problems playing back the clips at Best>Full. I am using an all AMD computer. Specs in my Signature.

 

Wolfgang S. wrote on 4/9/2024, 1:25 PM

Same for me. No problemes with loading the files, and full playback speed on my laptop. See signiture for specs of the laptop.

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * GTX 3080 Ti (12 GB)* Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Blackmagic Pocket 6K/6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

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HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius X. Resolve Studio 18

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 4/9/2024, 3:46 PM

See transient problem with those clips on my laptop. Tried default settings: gpu=3060(optimal), decoding=3060(auto). Glitches on certain frames. Tried dropping markers and the glitch shows up again on restart but often in a different place. Switched decoding to Intel and the glitch is somewhere else. Best results with decoding=off. Here's a couple of examples:

Btw, legacy-avc not much different. Fwiw, they played back smoothly with the glitches barely noticeable. But evident in the renders too.

UltraVista wrote on 4/9/2024, 5:45 PM

Another problem with MXF 4K 4:2:2 10bit , from speed perspective they play well at 4K in forward direction 40 - 50% CPU, but play in reverse and I get 10fps and CPU is at 100%. That is a dramatic slowdown caused by playing in reverse, a bug or normal?

set wrote on 4/9/2024, 5:54 PM

If all the media just being put to timeline, and played back as a whole, no issues.

But if you put the playhead cursor on random place, and do playback, problem comes.

 

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VEGASDerek wrote on 4/10/2024, 7:57 AM

We have reproduced the MXF problems and now are working on a fix. We plan to so a patch to resolve this.

Yaadgar wrote on 4/10/2024, 8:41 AM

How long for patch?, my sub due and this is holding up my work considering other NLE

Dexcon wrote on 4/10/2024, 8:55 AM

@Yaadgar ... you can always uninstall build 300 and go back to an earlier Vegas Pro 21 build via one of the earlier builds linked in https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-where-can-i-download-vegas-pro-and-other-vegas-software--104782/

It looks like that you are in the professional video editng field so you should have backup copies of earler Vegas Pro .veg projects because anything saved in build 300 is not backward compatible to earlier Vegas Pro builds.

BTW, changing to another NLE usually means starting the editing process right from the beginning again unless you can get a basic EDL export (or the like) from Vegas Pro.

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VEGASSteve wrote on 4/17/2024, 9:49 AM

Hello @pierre-k I could locate and fix the issue. The next update shall contain this MXF file problem no longer. Please check for announcements of @VEGASDerek when the next update will be available.

Fix shall apply to SONY MXF files with AVC high profile and deep color (10 bit and 4:2:2 chroma sub sampling).

jeremyscottproductions wrote on 4/17/2024, 11:07 AM

This also applies to Canon C70 Files using MXF / HEVC 4:2:2 10 Bit. Not working at all, super glitchy, rendering all my current projects completely un-usable in the newest version.

VEGASDerek wrote on 4/17/2024, 12:22 PM

@jeremyscottproductions If you provide a sample file to us, we can test to ensure your media is working as expected.

jeremyscottproductions wrote on 4/17/2024, 12:29 PM

@jeremyscottproductions If you provide a sample file to us, we can test to ensure your media is working as expected.

@VEGASDerek Here's a random file from the C70 - thanks! https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/c5u93hcv6y9pmto8fdsx3/A041D653_231012RD_CANON.MXF?rlkey=4ox5blopmmxj2ulxn9jmbss7n&dl=0