I wanted to buy the best card for Vegas 21. What do you recommend? Something without compromise. It is supposed to support multiple cameras in 4K and fast rendering.
There's no one best GPU. Price, wattage, size, what you plan to do with it are all considerations.
Take a look at the two benchmarks in my signature to see how modern Intel CPUs like yours do with different GPUs (I recommend doing both yourself so you can see exactly what your time is and how a GPU might improve it). These projects have media that is easy to decode by Fx that is very hard to process.
Do you have room for two cards? A cheap Intel ARC could help decode media while a modern AMD or NVIDIA GPU can do the timeline and Fx.
What media do you primarily work with? HEVC? AVC? 10-bit?
mp4 hevc 4K
Everything is fine except the graphics card. I want faster 4K rendering and multicam operation. I want to have a smooth preview.
First of all, I have a big problem with stability. Vegas crashes on average every 10 minutes.
What type of HEVC is it? Can you share MediaInfo?
Intel decoding is the most stable and compatible with HEVC in VEGAS at present. However Intel ARC GPUs aren't the best for 3d performance. I went with a 13th gen Intel K processor for the decoding and just added a used RTX GPU and it works well with most files, though not all HEVC.
Your signature says Intel Core i7-13700 but is that the Intel Core i7-13700K? If so you already have Intel decoding so just enable it in bios and use it in VEGAS preferences/ file io. It should help with multicam and stability. QSV rendering is also fast.
NVIDIA decoding with HEVC isn't great at the moment.
There are reports of okay decoding with AMD but it depends on the type of media (hence MediaInfo would be helpful). If you post a sample of the footage you use others might be able to test it with their GPU.
Media INFO
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID : mp42 (mp42/hvc1)
File size : 66.2 MiB
Duration : 5 s 760 ms
Overall bit rate : 96.4 Mb/s
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS
Encoded date : 2024-01-27 16:03:19 UTC
Tagged date : 2024-01-27 16:03:19 UTC
Video
ID : 1
Format : HEVC
Format/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile : Main 10@L5.1@High
Codec ID : hvc1
Codec ID/Info : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration : 5 s 760 ms
Bit rate : 95.9 Mb/s
Width : 3 840 pixels
Height : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 50.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.231
Stream size : 65.8 MiB (99%)
Encoded date : 2024-01-27 16:03:19 UTC
Tagged date : 2024-01-27 16:03:19 UTC
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Codec configuration box : hvcC
Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 5 s 760 ms
Source duration : 5 s 803 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 128 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 87.4 KiB (0%)
Source stream size : 88.0 KiB (0%)
Encoded date : 2024-01-27 16:03:19 UTC
Tagged date : 2024-01-27 16:03:19 UTC
My procesor is i9 13900, I made a mistake in the description :(
I think the 13900 also has an Intel® UHD Graphics 770. Enable processor graphics in our bios and try that first with your media.Then check preferences/ file IO and make sure it's enabled. You can test both legacy HEVC and the newer decoder- use whichever works best.
I see you have HEVC 10-bit 4:2:0 media at 4K50.
Do you plan to output at 50fps? Most of us use 50fps for slow motion on a 25fps timeline. 25fps is much easier to process. If you really have multiple streams of HEVC it's going to be hard to decode at the same time. Consider right-clicking on the media and "create video proxy" for a much easier to playback media. VEGAS will use the original media when it comes time to render it.
I'd try this all first before spending money on a GPU.
I don't want a proxy. I wanted to achieve such hardware specifications that Vegas would work like Premier or Davinci.
I'm just wondering if such a card will do anything for Vegas ?
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx4070ti-o12g-gaming-model/
Please read my post again. NVDEC isn't great in Vegas. QSV is. There are only so many streams that can be decoded at once though.
Consider AVC media or ProRes if you need more streams without a proxy, though watch the data rates with ProRes (use one or more m2 drives)
I'm just wondering if such a card will do anything for Vegas ?
https://rog.asus.com/graphics-cards/graphics-cards/rog-strix/rog-strix-rtx4070ti-o12g-gaming-model/
I have a 3060 in my laptop that isn't as powerful as the 4070 but works quite well with Vegas using it as the main gpu. But I also run it with the Intel igpu enabled, Intel graphics drivers installed, and with Vegas set to use Intel qsv for decoding. Also works well with DaVinci studio version. Another possibility is the Amd 7700 which is less expensive, probably works OK with DaVinci studio with igpu decoding but will perform very poorly with DaVinci free version.
I just noticed. I spent a lot of money on equipment that Vegas can't use. Time to switch to davinci :(
I wanted to buy the best card for Vegas 21. What do you recommend? Something without compromise. It is supposed to support multiple cameras in 4K and fast rendering.
Don't say you bought a PC without a graphics card?!
I just noticed. I spent a lot of money on equipment that Vegas can't use. Time to switch to davinci :(
Something doesn't line up here...
Something doesn't line up here...
Maybe they mean something like this (lol)
You aren't going to get smooth multi-cam without proxies using that footage in Davinci either, so you're about to be very disappointed when you shell out money to buy it.
It's been a while for me since I shot and edited multi-cam stuff, however when I was in the industry, I didn't know anyone who didn't use proxies for multi-cam. It's just part of the workflow for multi-cam. Especially now with 4k+ footage being standard and these newer, more resource intense codecs.
@Matthias-Claflin There's a conflation of the problem though, the talk is of HEVC 10bit multicam, when I last checked the new HEVC decoder can't play more than 1 video simultaneously without lag so ofcourse it needs proxies for multicam due to decoder being defective. Other NLE's don't have this problem.
If OP tried multicam with his 4K 10bit HEVC files he'd be rightfully disappointed
I wanted to buy the best card for Vegas 21. What do you recommend? Something without compromise. It is supposed to support multiple cameras in 4K and fast rendering.
Don't say you bought a PC without a graphics card?!
RadeonR9200 is quite ok. Unfortunately, it probably causes the Vegas to freeze. I wrote a post to find out what will speed up the render and preview in 4K 50frame as much as possible. From what I read and see, even a very expensive card will not be good for Vegas.
I just noticed. I spent a lot of money on equipment that Vegas can't use. Time to switch to davinci :(
Something doesn't line up here...
Other NLE's don't have this problem.
I don't know about 4:2:0, but I do know for sure that Resolve most definitely cannot do multiple streams of 10 bit 4:2:2 HEVC smoothly.
Don't say you bought a PC without a graphics card?!
RadeonR9200 is quite ok. Unfortunately, it probably causes the Vegas to freeze. I wrote a post to find out what will speed up the render and preview in 4K 50frame as much as possible. From what I read and see, even a very expensive card will not be good for Vegas.
I just noticed. I spent a lot of money on equipment that Vegas can't use. Time to switch to davinci :(
Something doesn't line up here...
Both Resolve Studio and VEGAS can use the Intel iGPU to decode- have you tried that yet? Why are you fixated on buying a new GPU?
For some formats like HEVC 10-bit 4:2:2 only Intel GPUs can do this.
If you want to give me a sample file I'll create a fake multicam project with my system here and tell you how it performs. Some HEVC works well, some less well (or tell me the camera as I may have similar footage already).
I don't understand the refusal to use proxies. They take time to create and they take up space on your hard drive, but after editing it's so easy and Vegas (almost) never crashes. For long projects I can open two or three instances of Vegas to create the proxies.
Don't say you bought a PC without a graphics card?!
RadeonR9200 is quite ok. Unfortunately, it probably causes the Vegas to freeze. I wrote a post to find out what will speed up the render and preview in 4K 50frame as much as possible. From what I read and see, even a very expensive card will not be good for Vegas.
I just noticed. I spent a lot of money on equipment that Vegas can't use. Time to switch to davinci :(
Something doesn't line up here...
My camera is Panasonic GH5II and GH6
Both Resolve Studio and VEGAS can use the Intel iGPU to decode- have you tried that yet? Why are you fixated on buying a new GPU?
For some formats like HEVC 10-bit 4:2:2 only Intel GPUs can do this.
If you want to give me a sample file I'll create a fake multicam project with my system here and tell you how it performs. Some HEVC works well, some less well (or tell me the camera as I may have similar footage already).
@Matthias-Claflin There's a conflation of the problem though, the talk is of HEVC 10bit multicam, when I last checked the new HEVC decoder can't play more than 1 video simultaneously without lag so ofcourse it needs proxies for multicam due to decoder being defective. Other NLE's don't have this problem.
If OP tried multicam with his 4K 10bit HEVC files he'd be rightfully disappointed
I shoot multicam with two 4k hevc cameras all the time without disappointment even editing with Vegas on an Intel 12th gen laptop. So happy I'm considering upping to a 3rd 4k hevc camera in a few weeks. Was thinking of a Canon r5 but that footage was disappointing when I tested it. But the Canon c70 was a breeze and the footage looked even better than my classic e2 zcam. So that's probably gonna be it... just wish it had a cfast slot like the r5 and s6.
@Matthias-Claflin There's a conflation of the problem though, the talk is of HEVC 10bit multicam, when I last checked the new HEVC decoder can't play more than 1 video simultaneously without lag so ofcourse it needs proxies for multicam due to decoder being defective. Other NLE's don't have this problem.
If OP tried multicam with his 4K 10bit HEVC files he'd be rightfully disappointed
I shoot multicam with two 4k hevc cameras all the time without disappointment even editing with Vegas on an Intel 12th gen laptop.
@Howard-Vigorita It's a fault with the new mxhevcplug GPU decoder, I don't think it's related to a GPU make because it also occurs with AV1 which doesn't yet use GPU decoding but does still use mxhevcplug. The files play fine by themselves but not when played concurrently. I get criticism for playing 4K at BEST/FULL and then complaining about frame rates, so here's BEST/HALF
I also tried your sensible idea of changing project properties to 25P instead of 50P for smooth editing purposes but multicam behaves in identical fashion.
I just noticed. I spent a lot of money on equipment that Vegas can't use. Time to switch to davinci :(
Something doesn't line up here...
Good luck switching to Resolve with that graphics card, which began life over 10 years ago, and doesn't meet the min specs for either Vegas or Resolve. Buying a 13th gen Intel, 64GB of RAM and using that card? And you have Vegas 20, which hasn't been sold since the release of VP21 in the late summer last year? And this is your first post about problems? And there is no suffix designation of what Intel CPU is being used.
To me, I agree with @Adis-a, something doesn't line up here.