Hi, has anyone successfully installed and used an Intel ARC video card on a hold system like this one : i7-2600K CPU/Asus P8Z68-V PRO GEN3 ?
I know that ARC requires the resizable BAR for optimal performance but I just want to know if I would be able to install the driver and have Vegas recognise and use the video card. I will update my whole system later so that the card will be fully used then.
I'd do the 13th generation intel i7 or i9 first. Use the on-die intel video adapter for decoding and worry about add-in cards later.
Not only is that what I would do, it's what I did in February.
Since I can't afford @john_dennis solution, I have installed an A770 on my old i7-8700K system. Before the A770, I had sucessfully used an A380. Doesn't support the resizable BAR, but works nonetheless. However, if feasible, go with @john_dennis recommendation.
Since I can't afford @john_dennis solution, I have installed an A770 on my old i7-8700K system. Before the A770, I had sucessfully used an A380. Doesn't support the resizable BAR, but works nonetheless. However, if feasible, go with @john_dennis recommendation.
Thanks, not ready either to upgrade my cpu first, so that's exactly what I wanted to know ! Did you bought the Intel® Arc™ A770 Limited Edition or another one ?
I'm not at my machine now, but I believe it was the LE.
Just checked--yes, it was the LE.
Just checked--yes, it was the LE.
Ok, thanks for letting me know.
I have the original 16gb Intel Arc a770 in my 11900k system and Vegas sees it fine. Been use it for decoding and qsv rendering since it came out. Had to disable the igpu to use the Arc for Qsv rendering.
I think you'd get much better performance with no GPU and a 12th or 13th gen i5 with IGPU.
I think you'd get much better performance with no GPU and a 12th or 13th gen i5 with IGPU.
Yes for sure, but for the moment I just have a sandy bridge cpu with its iGPU HD3000 as main video card and, in others things, I am limited to HD resolution while my BenQ PD32 support 4k. I am planning to get in few months a 13th gen i7 cpu and will use then both the UHD770 iGPU + ARC770 with Vegas. I am planning also to add a Radeon RX 6900 or 7900 XT for a better timeline playback with fx. Does it make sens ?
I understand your situation. I got the i5-13600K myself and my initial plan was to not get a GPU and just use the i-GPU but then I found used NVIDIA were pretty reasonable.
The ARC 770 is fine but it's big benefit is Intel QSV decoding and encoding which you'd get with a K-series CPU anyway. You might get better performance for not much more with a used NVIDIA 2080 Ti, 3070, 3080, etc. The 6900 and 30800 should be similar performance; I personally have a use for CUDA (ai transcriptions) so went with NVIDIA. If you get an AMD or NVIDIA GPU you don't need an Intel ARC for anything so I'd save your money.
We don't have much data but 2 benchmarks are in my signature and there are several Arcs on the list.
The ARC 770 is fine but it's big benefit is Intel QSV decoding and encoding which you'd get with a K-series CPU anyway. You might get better performance for not much more with a used NVIDIA 2080 Ti, 3070, 3080, etc. The 6900 and 30800 should be similar performance; I personally have a use for CUDA (ai transcriptions) so went with NVIDIA. If you get an AMD or NVIDIA GPU you don't need an Intel ARC for anything so I'd save your money.
This is a good point but still the ARC770 has few advantages like AV1 encoding which igpu don't do if I am not mistaken and also arc770 is way more fast at encodng than the uhd770. Also ARC seems to be at the top as far as quality encoding AVC-HEVC-AV1 (but uhd770 is almost equal).
As it is not the case actually with RX 7900xt, I would use the rx for timeline playback/acceleration and then arc for rendering.
My priority go like this :
1- Best Timeline playback/Acceleration possible (with fx or IA etc...)
2. The fastest Dynamic RAM Preview
3. Rendering Quality (considering that I always could get it with cpu)
3. Rendering Speed come in last
As usual, upgrading a system is never an easy task !
ARC770 has few advantages like AV1 encoding which igpu don't do if I am not mistaken ...
Here are the latest Intel encode/decode tables...
looks like 11th & 12th gen igpus only decode av1. Just tried an av1 encode via my uhd750 with VoukoderPro and it failed. Succeeds via my Arc a770 as well as the Arc a380 with almost identical render times.
The AMD 7000 and NVIDIA 4000 series also have AV1 encoding so why get an ARC if you plan to get one of them?
I haven't seen many comparisons on render speed of ARC vs IGPUs in VEGAS.
Howard may have tests on quality.
Personally I still do software encodes for final renders as a 13th CPU can use all its cores and get it done reasonably quickly with good quality.
You can find a comprehensive cou gpu encoding comparison following the below link
https://rigaya.github.io/vq_results/
It's not done with Vegas but gives an idea of what to expect in term of speed and render quality.
ARC is faster that iGPU but the same quality wise.
The AMD 7000 and NVIDIA 4000 series also have AV1 encoding so why get an ARC if you plan to get one of them?
I haven't seen many comparisons on render speed of ARC vs IGPUs in VEGAS.
Howard may have tests on quality.
The Arcs add more decoding options. And load-splitting improves performance. And the Arc a380 is dirt cheap and seems to encode at the same speed as the a770 in the test I performed last night on my 3-gpu machine... and that was with the a380 connected via a pcie4 riser to my 3rd slot which is only x4. My only warning is that if your pcie lanes are oversubscribed or your pcie slots are all occupied, there may be issues adding a 2nd gpu.
I'm thinking of doing a new quality analysis layout that includes render speed. Problem is that right now only Voukoder and FrameServer are able to render av1 from Vegas and they are both constrained in quality by the limited feed Vegas gives all 3rd party plugins. So I'm waiting for Vegas to add av1 and/or vp9 as native render presets before getting into that. I could start with Arc vrs other avc and hevc, however...
1- Best Timeline playback/Acceleration possible (with fx or IA etc...)
2. The fastest Dynamic RAM Preview
3. Rendering Quality (considering that I always could get it with cpu)
3. Rendering Speed come in last
1. Fast NVIDIA or AMD GPU for Fx and AI + Intel iGPU or ARC card for decoding
2. Just a function of 1 and decoding so not an independent variable
3. Just do CPU renders as #4 doesn't seem to be concerned about speed anyway. x264, x265, ProRes and MagicYUV do what I need
The next generation of ARC is something to keep an eye out for as it may be more capable for #1 while also being great for decoding. I wish Intel success as NVIDIA pricing is absurd and AMD's drivers are a mess.
The AMD 7000 and NVIDIA 4000 series also have AV1 encoding so why get an ARC if you plan to get one of them?
Yes, you are right, and my plan was to go directly with a rx-7900 xt but it will not fit in my mid-tower pc. So that's why I look at the ARC (380 or 770) for replacing my igpu hd3000 until I upgrade all my system + case probably Q1 next year. And it doesnot seems that next generation of ARC willl be out before that.
1. Fast NVIDIA or AMD GPU for Fx and AI + Intel iGPU or ARC card for decoding2. Just a function of 1 and decoding so not an independent variable
I always was wondering how and what Vegas decide to use for "Dynamic RAM Preview". The GPU (the one selected in Preferences), the CPU or both depending of kind of video and fx ?
Dynamic ram preview is just like playing back the timeline into ram (not realtime) so decoding and Fx both play into how quickly it is generated. The CPU and GPU are both used. GPU is controlled by preferences/video and file io.
Good to know that, thank you.