Connect two monitors to a PC without graphics card?

Rich Parry wrote on 2/16/2023, 7:49 PM

This week I built a new PC using the i9-13900K and a ASUS Z790 ProArt Creator motherboard. I’m not using a graphics card, I’m using the iGPU built into the i9 CPU for video output, it works well with a single monitor. I’ve been unsuccessful connecting two monitors. Am I trying to do the impossible? Has anyone with the i9 successfully connected two monitors without a graphics card?

In the event I need a graphics card, I’m leaning toward the 3060 or 3060 Ti. Anyone want to recommend a card? My PC is ultra quite and I’d like to keep it that way. I’d like to mitigate the graphics card creating excess noise and heat.

Thanks in advance,

CPU Intel i9-13900K Raptor Lake

Heat Sink Noctua  NH-D15 chromas, Black

MB ASUS ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi

OS Drive Samsung 990 PRO  NVME M.2 SSD 1TB

Data Drive Samsung 870 EVO SATA 4TB

Backup Drive Samsung 870 EVO SATA 4TB

RAM Corsair Vengeance DDR5 64GB

GPU ASUS NVDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti

Case Fractal Torrent Black E-ATX

PSU Corsair HX1000i 80 Plus Platinum

OS MicroSoft Windows 11 Pro

Rich in San Diego, CA

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bvideo wrote on 2/16/2023, 8:55 PM

Does the HDMI port work and the other two with the displayport adapters not work? Or do they all work, but only one at a time?

Dexcon wrote on 2/16/2023, 9:03 PM

There are plenty of HDMI splitters (1 in 2 out) on Amazon - https://www.amazon.com.au/s?k=hdmi+splitter&hvadid=71949452896288&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvqmt=e&tag=msnaupcstd-22&ref=pd_sl_7ynrnry2i8_e ... which might be worth researching.

The only HDMI splitter that I've used was a 3 in 1 out - but that was years ago.

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RogerS wrote on 2/16/2023, 9:54 PM

It should work if there are two or more ports. Are you on a current Intel driver?

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john_dennis wrote on 2/16/2023, 9:57 PM

I have not done it.

https://www.asus.com/global/support/FAQ/1045574/#bbb

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My main system:
Motherboard: ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K - Core i9 13th Gen Raptor Lake 24-Core (8P+16E) P-core Base Frequency: 3.0 GHz E-core Base Frequency: 2.2 GHz LGA 1700 125W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Desktop Processor - BX8071513900K
GPU: Currently intel on-die video adapter
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Desktop Memory Model CMK64GX5M2B5600C40
Disk O/S & Programs: WD Black SN850 NVMe SSD WDS100T1X0E - SSD - 1 TB - PCIe 4.0 x4 (NVMe)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: CORSAIR - iCUE H115i RGB PRO XT 280mm Radiator CPU Liquid Cooling System
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Realtek S1220A on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: ASUS ProArt 31.5" 1440p HDR10 Monitor PA328QV
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 10.0.19045 Build 19045
Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

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Howard-Vigorita wrote on 2/17/2023, 1:15 PM

@Rich Parry Having Intel igpus up to 12th gen and Arc a770, I wouldn't recommend relying on just that for Vegas editing. My tests with an a770, which is about as good as it gets with Intel right now, put it about equal to an amd rx580 or an nvidia 1660ti. Intel is great at encoding/decoding but not at timeline and fx processing. I have a 3060 in my 12th gen ASUS laptop with an iGPU and it's OK for Vegas editing. Stands around midstream in the benchmarks. I'd suggest you consider an amd 6000-series like the 6700xt which costs about the same as a 3060 with lower power draw and higher performance. Costs more but benches indicate a 6800xt would be a huge step up with Vegas.

Regarding more monitors with only 1 hdmi port, I think that motherboard also has thunderbolt ports that support monitors that have thunderbolt input... I assume with the appropriate drivers Windows will see them.

john_dennis wrote on 2/17/2023, 1:26 PM

My uninformed guess is that using two monitors with the ASUS Z790 Pro Art Creator motherboard will be problematic to impossible because there are not two physical ports.

This was likely a compromise that ASUS made to allow the inclusion of the DP In connectors for Thunderbolt.

Other ASUS board do have two physical ports.

I'm somewhat interested in the subject because I also own the motherboard. As @Howard-Vigorita suggested, I'd be more likely to use an add-in card for the additional displays.

My main system:
Motherboard: ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K - Core i9 13th Gen Raptor Lake 24-Core (8P+16E) P-core Base Frequency: 3.0 GHz E-core Base Frequency: 2.2 GHz LGA 1700 125W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Desktop Processor - BX8071513900K
GPU: Currently intel on-die video adapter
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Desktop Memory Model CMK64GX5M2B5600C40
Disk O/S & Programs: WD Black SN850 NVMe SSD WDS100T1X0E - SSD - 1 TB - PCIe 4.0 x4 (NVMe)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: CORSAIR - iCUE H115i RGB PRO XT 280mm Radiator CPU Liquid Cooling System
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Realtek S1220A on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: ASUS ProArt 31.5" 1440p HDR10 Monitor PA328QV
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 10.0.19045 Build 19045
Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

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bvideo wrote on 2/17/2023, 11:25 PM

Your USB-C #1 port output can be used for the iGPU graphics from the CPU. You would need to supply a USB-C-to-DisplayPort cable.

Wiew wrote on 2/18/2023, 10:59 AM

if the second screen is a laptop or a tablet you can use spacedesk on wifi , works perfectly over here on my tablet

https://www.spacedesk.net/

 

Vincent-Brice wrote on 2/18/2023, 1:46 PM

I used to have my two monitors daisy chained from one display port. Worked fine. (If you have display out connector on one monitor)

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Rich Parry wrote on 2/19/2023, 1:38 PM

Thank you to all that replied. Since my original post, I have been successful in connecting two monitors using exclusively the iGPU of the i9-13900K by using one USB-C port and one HDMI port on the motherboard. The downside now is the HDMI output is limited to 1080x1920. Perhaps I need to install Intel drivers for higher resolution.

To be clear, using the iGPU is a temporary workaround until I decide on a graphic card in the next few weeks.

@John_dennis, thank you for your excellent video, I wondered what the purpose of the DisplayPort IN ports were. You have a great voice for narration. 😊

@john_dennis, since you have my ASUS MB, were you surprised to find it didn't come with a TPM to support W11, I know I was. I purchased a TPM module, but assumed all modern MB included the TPM.

Once again, thanks to all that replied

Rich

 

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CPU Intel i9-13900K Raptor Lake

Heat Sink Noctua  NH-D15 chromas, Black

MB ASUS ProArt Z790 Creator WiFi

OS Drive Samsung 990 PRO  NVME M.2 SSD 1TB

Data Drive Samsung 870 EVO SATA 4TB

Backup Drive Samsung 870 EVO SATA 4TB

RAM Corsair Vengeance DDR5 64GB

GPU ASUS NVDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti

Case Fractal Torrent Black E-ATX

PSU Corsair HX1000i 80 Plus Platinum

OS MicroSoft Windows 11 Pro

Rich in San Diego, CA

Wolfgang S. wrote on 2/19/2023, 1:59 PM

While the i-GPU will be great to support the playback behaviour of long-GOP footage, it may be less superior to support grading and rendering. A lof of effects are supported by a GPU by now in Vegas.

I also wonder about the system requirements really. Formaly, you need for 4K a Intel® GPU HD Graphics 630 series or higher. However, my findings on my laptop were that the RTX 3070 Ti performs significant better compared to my i-GPU, an Intel Iris Xe Grafic.

https://www.intel.de/content/www/de/de/products/sku/132214/intel-core-i912900h-processor-24m-cache-up-to-5-00-ghz/specifications.html?wapkw=%20i9-12900H

 

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john_dennis wrote on 2/19/2023, 2:14 PM

@Rich Parry said"

"@John_dennis, thank you for your excellent video, I wondered what the purpose of the DisplayPort IN ports were. You have a great voice for narration."

That's not my voice. Here's what my hayseed-sounding voice sounds like.

It was a video that I found that explains the function well. My son bought a pair of G-RAID Thunderbolt drives for me to fill up with his video, but I'm currently using them on a USB 3 port. I doubt if the interface speed will make much difference with spinning disks when I connect them to the new system.

"@john_dennis, since you have my ASUS MB, were you surprised to find it didn't come with a TPM to support W11, I know I was. I purchased a TPM module, but assumed all modern MB included the TPM."

I actually wasn't surprised based on the recent "shortage" of TPM modules. I haven't bought one. I bought a Windows 10 license and will upgrade to Windows 11 in the future.

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My main system:
Motherboard: ASUS ProArt Z790-CREATOR WIFI
CPU: Intel Core i9-13900K - Core i9 13th Gen Raptor Lake 24-Core (8P+16E) P-core Base Frequency: 3.0 GHz E-core Base Frequency: 2.2 GHz LGA 1700 125W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Desktop Processor - BX8071513900K
GPU: Currently intel on-die video adapter
RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5600 (PC5 44800) Desktop Memory Model CMK64GX5M2B5600C40
Disk O/S & Programs: WD Black SN850 NVMe SSD WDS100T1X0E - SSD - 1 TB - PCIe 4.0 x4 (NVMe)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: CORSAIR - iCUE H115i RGB PRO XT 280mm Radiator CPU Liquid Cooling System
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Realtek S1220A on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: ASUS ProArt 31.5" 1440p HDR10 Monitor PA328QV
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 10.0.19045 Build 19045
Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

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Howard-Vigorita wrote on 2/19/2023, 3:01 PM

@Wolfgang S. The igpu should definitely turn in lower performance than a 3060 for timeline and fx processing but the 5.8ghz clock of the i9-13900k should narrow the gap. Be interesting to see how it does on the benches like the new Ivar benchmark. I'd found the AI Upscale FX (torture test here) a little crash-prone when forced to run on my laptop's IrisXe so it might be wise to stay away from that FX without a more capable gpu.