GPU and CPU for Vegas

Ricardo-Bacchin wrote on 3/25/2023, 7:49 PM

Today I have Vegas Pro 17 and I intend to upgrade to 20. I used an AMD 5800X with a 3070, but now I'm upgrading and I just need to buy the processor and the GPU. I'm looking to buy a 13900k but I'm worried about how to keep it cool. I've always used a watercooler (for gaming) but now I'd like to switch to an aircooler. First question: does anyone have this processor and use it with an air cooler? If yes, which one? Second question: is there a performance difference between Nvidia GPUs from the 3000 series to the 4000 series? I make amateur videos of maximum 4K.

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Former user wrote on 3/25/2023, 7:59 PM

RTX4080 with it's 16gig of VRAM would be a nice upgrade, but rtx3070 is also very nice and well suited to Vegas, except the 8GB of Vram, although even that depends on how complex your projects are.

Ricardo-Bacchin wrote on 3/25/2023, 8:09 PM

RTX4080 with it's 16gig of VRAM would be a nice upgrade, but rtx3070 is also very nice and well suited to Vegas, except the 8GB of Vram, although even that depends on how complex your projects are.

As I've been without a computer for some time, I made videos for a channel in 1080p, the time varied, but I think the file was close to 1 Gb on Youtube. For a 10 minute, 4K video, would it be nice to have a 16Gb GPU? For example, today a 4070 Ti costs much more than a 3080. The VRam difference is 4 Gb. Is there a big difference in performance in a rendering process?

Former user wrote on 3/25/2023, 8:15 PM

I see for some work Vegas is using more than 10GB of my 10GBVram, and I wonder about the performance implications related to that. Vegas doesn't have the problem of other editors where it simply won't work or it turns the GPU decoder off (that I"ve seen) so it's less important.

The 4070ti with it's 12GB Vram seems ok, but possibly not as an upgrade from a 3070. See what others have to say

RogerS wrote on 3/25/2023, 10:05 PM

It draws too much power for an air cooler. Look at the i5 or i7 instead. I have an overclocked 13600K in a good airflow case an am very happy with the performance. See my signature for details and benchmarks.

If you're doing AI effects, HDR, etc. more GPU ram is nice to have. I'm getting by with 4 and 8gb just fine for 8bit 4K AVC editing.

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Sassylola wrote on 3/26/2023, 6:46 AM

14 different air coolers. tested on 13900k

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My System Home Built

Intel 13900K Latest Intel Chipset. Latest Intel Management Engine Installed. NO OC (PL 1 Set to 280W PL 2 set to 280W)

Arctic Liquid Freezer ll 360mm AIO

Gigabyte Aero G Z790 MB Latest BIOS

ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO Latest Nvidea Studio Drivers Installed. With GPU OC results were about the same as GPU set to default settings. I have kept GPU at default settings

64 GB G Skill DDR 5 6000mhz Ram 2X32

Corsair 1000W RMx Power Supply

SK Hynix P41 NVMe 1TB Operating Drive. ( Boot Drive )

WD 2TB SN 850X SSD 1st Render Drive NVMe

SK Hynix P 41 2 TB NVMe Storage Drive

2 TB Sk Hynix P 41 SSD 2nd Render Drive For final renders NVMe

Win 11 Pro 23H2

Fractal Design R6 Case

Samsung - M7 Series 43" Smart Tizen 4K UHD Monitor

Vegas Post 365 21 Ver 208

Sound Blaster 5.1 Audigyfx Sound Card

SSK USB C External NVMe drive Enclosure with 500GB Samsung 970 EVO Plus for backups.

PROBOI 10G Hard drive Enclosure. USB C. 4 4TB Spinning Drives for Backups.

 

 

RogerS wrote on 3/26/2023, 7:26 AM

That testing must have taken forever to do! The video states the CPU can draw 330W but he recommends 253W or less to maintain clocks and all tests were just 10 min. Conclusion around 38 min. was "an AIO is a must" for a CPU drawing over 200W.

I don't see why you'd pay a premium for a 13900K and then limit the wattage significantly. I've run my i5 with cores between 5.1 and 5.5 GHz at 100% for 10 hours straight drawing 200W doing AI calculations on my machine (not on a test bench- with the case on) Higher than 200W sustained and I thermally throttle even on the i5-13600K in a cool room with a high airflow case.

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Wolfgang S. wrote on 3/26/2023, 8:56 AM

We have aktual reports that the nvidia 4000 serie makes problems in Vegas. Please be aware of those issues, to disable the nvidia card to be able to work with Vegas is not so great. I have no idea if and when this may be solved.
 

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/gl-transitions-always-crash-program-solved--140272/

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Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED (ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED (i9 12900H with i-GPU Iris XE, 32 GB Ram). Geforce RTX 3070 TI 8GB) with internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor. Blackmagic Ultrastudio 4K mini

HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG, Atomos Sumo

Others: Edius NX (Canopus NX)-card in an old XP-System. Edius X. Resolve Studio 18

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 3/26/2023, 10:09 AM

14 different air coolers. tested on 13900k

Something not right there with the Noctua NH D-15. I have one on my 9900k and it came with 2 identical 140mm fans. Looks like he's got a 120 in the middle. Also, my fans are mounted the other way... the outside is not mounted over the ram. One thing about the D15, however, is that the fans clip onto the radiator fins and can be aligned or mounted any way you want. So I could buy a 3rd identical 140mm or smaller 120mm fan and add it over the ram, depending on how tall the ram stands. Looks like he's got the 140 over the ram and mounted pretty high which might limit airflow through the radiator and come pretty close to hitting the top of a typical case.

Btw, with the d15, I can only get 4.8ghz on my 9900k (not overclocked) running prime95 small ffts overnight... it's actually rated for 5ghz. Although I use both, I prefer p95 over Cinebench for system validation, stress testing, and burn-in. It not only stresses the cpu, ram, power supply, and busses to their limits, but informs you if doing that causes anything in your system to generate computational errors requiring bios adjustment. I haven't bothered adding a 3rd fan because Vegas doesn't push the cpu that hard with a good gpu doing the heavy lifting. And I have a small clamp-on ram-fan there instead. But I did go with a single radiator aio on my 11900k. Most folks recommend a dual radiator aio minimum for the 13900k which runs a bit hotter than previous gens. The nice thing about an aio is it's much lower in mass than an air cooler and won't physically stress the cpu socket or risk cracking the motherboard if you move or transport your system without dismounting it first. But it might be a problem if you ship it in an unheated truck in the winter.

Ricardo-Bacchin wrote on 3/26/2023, 12:47 PM

I think I'll use a watercooler (NZXT X63) and an AMD video card. The 7000 series come with a huge amount of VRam, are smaller than NVidia's and don't need an adapter cable.