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Dexcon wrote on 11/15/2023, 6:10 PM

Because HEVC is a very compressed codec, NLEs such as vegas Pro usually have a much harder time processing it. There are several YouTube videos explaining HEVC - such as this one:

With 5.3K GoPro HEVC video, I experience the same sort of stuttering playback in Vegas Pro 21 as you are experiencing. The best way to get better HEVC playback in Vegas Pro is to create proxies and use the Draft or Preview playback settings so that the proxies are used for playback/editing rather than the original HEVC video. Or transcode the video to another .mp4 format that Vegas Pro and other NLEs are happier with - which I have just done.

It's not just Vegas Pro that has problems with HEVC, I've found that DaVinci Resolve Studio 18 also struggles with HEVC video.

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition

Installed: Vegas Pro 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 & 21, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 18.5, BCC 2023.5, Mocha Pro 2023, Ignite Pro, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 11, iZotope RX10 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

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Bini wrote on 11/15/2023, 6:17 PM

That is not the case with Davinci resolve studio. The preview works perfectly. I hope there is a fix for Vegas pro.

RogerS wrote on 11/15/2023, 6:21 PM

Dynamic ram preview at 0MB hurts performance- put it back on the defaults.

What version of VEGAS is this? In VP 21 HEVC support is improving, especially as you are using NVDEC for decoding (I assume, check file io in preferences). In build 187 try with experimental HEVC decoding on and off and see if there's any improvement.

Not all HEVC is the same, either. Some is not able to be decoded by an NVIDIA GPU. What is your HEVC? Use MediaInfo to answer: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

Personally I'd use your fast CPU to make proxy files (right-click the media and "create video proxy."

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Former user wrote on 11/15/2023, 7:48 PM

That is not the case with Davinci resolve studio.

He needs to fix his computer, Like RogerS said, are you using VP21b187 and if so what decoder is in use, and post mediainfo for your file.

If it's using the new Vegas HEVC GPU decoder I would expect it to play fine on any half decent hardware. I did notice it won't play 6K smoothly with new decoder on Best/FULL, however it does play smoothly at Best/half which is a really good compromise

VEGASDerek wrote on 11/15/2023, 8:17 PM

A couple of things...first, upgrade to build 187. The screen capture you provided appears to be 108. Second, please give a MediaInfo readout on the hevc media you are using to help us diagnose the problems you are seeing with preview performance.

Bini wrote on 11/16/2023, 7:45 AM

I am currently using Vegas Pro 20 Build 411

RogerS wrote on 11/16/2023, 8:08 AM

Which type of HEVC is it? Please provide Mediainfo: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

You can try both legacy HEVC decoding and not but don't expect great results with NVDEC. Consider a trial of VP 21 to see if it works better.

If I were you I'd just create proxy files or shoot AVC.

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 11/16/2023, 8:40 AM

@Bini Resolve is better optimized for Nvidia than Vegas which is more general purpose and better optimized for Amd and Intel graphics than free Resolve. Your setup with no Intel igpu and only an Nvidia Quadro may be great for Resolve but not so much with Vegas. If you dropped an Intel Arc in as a 2nd gpu, even a dirt-cheap a380, that would boost your Vegas hevc performance with vp20. Personally, I'd do that 1st. But if you did a vp21 upgrade too, performance would be even higher. And if you're running Resolve Studio, having an Intel for decoding would benefit that too.

Bini wrote on 11/16/2023, 8:49 AM

I just downloaded VP 21 TRIAL and the results are the same...

j-v wrote on 11/16/2023, 9:02 AM

@Bini
Try again after unchecking Legacy Decoder in File I/O and setting RAM Preview Max at Video to the default value

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Former user wrote on 11/16/2023, 9:10 AM

@Bini Try it on Good or Best (Half) as @Former user suggested, that's the preview I use the most, & Legacy HEVC off as @j-v mentioned.

RogerS wrote on 11/16/2023, 9:11 AM

What are your settings in preferences file i​​​​​​o​​​​​​?

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD and 2TB Samsung 980 Pro cache drive, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208
VEGAS Pro 22.93

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

VEGASDerek wrote on 11/16/2023, 11:01 AM

At the moment NVidia has turned of some GPU features when running VEGAS in their professional line of GPUs, so it is likely that is also contributing to the sluggish behavior you see.

Bini wrote on 11/16/2023, 12:20 PM

@rogerS

Here is the file, please let me know if your pc is lagging.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/per4m390omvncrq/IMG_1305.MOV

j-v wrote on 11/16/2023, 12:42 PM

@Bini
Your file plays well on laptop from signature with all settings default in Vegas 20 latest build and Vegas 21 latest build. look

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Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 23H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
560.81 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2127
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 560.81 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2127
Vegas software: VP 10 to 21 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

Bini wrote on 11/16/2023, 1:37 PM

Thats very interesting. I believe my pc should be able to handle this file. 🤔🤔🤔

Bini wrote on 11/16/2023, 1:49 PM

@j-v this must be the issue...

VEGASDerek wrote on 11/16/2023, 2:13 PM

Very strange...I tested this out on several machines with many difference GPUs, including one with an older Quadro card, but I get 60fps while playing back.

Former user wrote on 11/16/2023, 2:28 PM

@Bini I don't think I've had a 60p vid play so well before. (Best (Full) was the same)

andyrpsmith wrote on 11/16/2023, 2:33 PM

So my experience with this is 1-3fps with the 1080Ti GPU enabled (basically no GPU decode). If I use the iGPU Intel UHD 770 (CPU graphics) I get 60fps at Best Full. This is with V20.411 My GPU is about 10% slower than the P6000. My GPU can decode H265 8bit, 10bit and 12 bit 4:2:0 but V20 is not using it to do so. When importing it into V20 I get a message that V20 is downloading the mainconcept HEVC decoder. Looking at the decoder being used it is so4compoundplug.dll for both UHD 770 and 1080ti so the V20 so4compoundplug only uses the 770 for hardware decoding this file.

@Bini does task manager show the P6000 as decoding the video?

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Bini wrote on 11/16/2023, 3:57 PM

@andyrpsmith @VEGASDerek Apparently the problem is with Xeon CPU. They do not decode and encode HEVC files

andyrpsmith wrote on 11/16/2023, 4:02 PM

Yes but what about the P6000 when selected in hardware decoder to use in File I/O tab? I suspect no as it is similar to my 1080Ti.

 

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(Intel 3rd gen i5@4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, 1080Ti GPU, Windows 10) Not now used with Vegas.

13th gen i913900K - water cooled, 96GB RAM, 4TB M2 drive, 4TB games SSD, 2TB video SSD, GPU RTX 4080 Super, Windows 11 pro

VEGASDerek wrote on 11/16/2023, 4:09 PM

That makes sense as the legacy HEVC decoder in VEGAS Pro 20 only uses the CPU. You can try to turn off the legacy HEVC encoder and see what success you have with that file.

Bini wrote on 11/16/2023, 4:15 PM

@VEGASDerek @andyrpsmith Here are my settings