How to split timeline clips with a hotkey by dragging with a mouse?

alice-f wrote on 6/7/2023, 2:59 PM

Is it possible to split a timeline clip into 2 parts while holding the timeline cursor indicator with a mouse (while dragging) and pressing a shortcut key?

 

It is possible to do in Resolve, Premiere, Avid, Pinnacle, Edius and other NLE's.

 

Is there a way to edit quickly by dragging with mouse and splitting with hotkey?

 

Please advise how to set up this, thanks!

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DMT3 wrote on 6/7/2023, 3:08 PM

"S" will make a split. I don't know if it works while dragging.

alice-f wrote on 6/7/2023, 3:13 PM

"S" will make a split. I don't know if it works while dragging.

It doesn't work, which is strange.

 

Because it should!

I do thousands of cuts of a longer clips, and without this feature I need to drag cursor with mouse click, release mouse button, press S to split, hover over cursor again, click with mouse again and start dragging again...

This takes a lot of extra effort...

john_dennis wrote on 6/7/2023, 3:35 PM

@alice-f "This takes a lot of extra effort..."

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Have you tried J,KL and dropping markers?

Have you tried using the keyboard arrow keys for navigation?

alice-f wrote on 6/7/2023, 3:42 PM

Sure, I know about every single method you mentioned.

But I prefer simple solutions instead of what you suggested.

All those methods involve a lot of unnecessary key commands and mouse clicks.

It's weird that such a program miss absolutely essential feature

Former user wrote on 6/7/2023, 5:14 PM

@alice-f Have you tried Split & Trim Tool, left click splits & drags, right click if you want to move the event on the timeline

alice-f wrote on 6/7/2023, 5:28 PM

@alice-f Have you tried Split & Trim Tool, left click splits & drags, right click if you want to move the event on the timeline

Yes, I tried that, but it is not usable.

When this tool is used, I can't scrub and see what's going on with the clip, so it doesn't make sense to me.

It works only when clicked, which is not the case I'm trying to solve.

 

My goal is to cut 6 hours of footage by only dragging the mouse and pressing S when the clip needs to be split.

 

Pretty straightforward editing job I've done for years in another software.

 

Now my client asked me to work in Vegas and this drives me crazy I can't accomplish something as basic as splitting clips...

 

P.S. What I found is that almost none of the hotkeys are operational while the left mouse button is pressed and hold.

 

Am I missing something?!

 

 

Marco. wrote on 6/8/2023, 6:02 AM

"What I found is that almost none of the hotkeys are operational while the left mouse button is pressed and hold."

This is correct. I doubt Vegas Pro could mimik your desired workflow. You would need to adopt your workflow to the tools and logic Vegas Pro offers.

alice-f wrote on 6/8/2023, 6:28 AM

"What I found is that almost none of the hotkeys are operational while the left mouse button is pressed and hold."

This is correct. I doubt Vegas Pro could mimik your desired workflow. You would need to adopt your workflow to the tools and logic Vegas Pro offers.

I expect this should be implemented by developers in future updates. I have no idea how a professional grade software doesn't have such an important feature.

3POINT wrote on 6/8/2023, 7:30 AM

"What I found is that almost none of the hotkeys are operational while the left mouse button is pressed and hold."

This is correct. I doubt Vegas Pro could mimik your desired workflow. You would need to adopt your workflow to the tools and logic Vegas Pro offers.

I expect this should be implemented by developers in future updates. I have no idea how a professional grade software doesn't have such an important feature.

I'm using this professional software almost for two decades now and never missed such a feature. I'm using for splitting a jog Shuttle with a dedicated split button.

john_dennis wrote on 6/8/2023, 8:45 AM

@alice-f

I think I understand how you expect to work. (You expect to see a split where you hear my 43 year old keyboard click.)

While I try to avoid having my hand planted on the mouse that much while scrubbing through "6 hours of footage", I would look the other way if you want to file a feature request to the development group.

RogerS wrote on 6/8/2023, 9:06 AM

Feature requests go here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-feature-requests--134374/

Can't say I ever wanted to edit that way. VEGAS does have a auto scene detect and split feature that may save time if you are splitting a video with some kind of obvious change in the source file.

Marco. wrote on 6/8/2023, 9:07 AM

"I have no idea how a professional grade software doesn't have such an important feature."

I see the benefit in your case. But if the production style involved is based on separated recorded camera clips, such a feature is not that important. Instead somewhat like trimming in/out is and splitting based on JKL offers a straighter workflow then.
 

alice-f wrote on 6/8/2023, 10:12 AM

"What I found is that almost none of the hotkeys are operational while the left mouse button is pressed and hold."

This is correct. I doubt Vegas Pro could mimik your desired workflow. You would need to adopt your workflow to the tools and logic Vegas Pro offers.

I expect this should be implemented by developers in future updates. I have no idea how a professional grade software doesn't have such an important feature.

I'm using this professional software almost for two decades now and never missed such a feature. I'm using for splitting a jog Shuttle with a dedicated split button.

I edit videos since 2004, and I miss it here in Vegas Pro, that's why I asked this question. There is no universal workflow, but what I get used to works much better for me than what you suggested.

alice-f wrote on 6/8/2023, 10:15 AM

@alice-f

I think I understand how you expect to work. (You expect to see a split where you hear my 43 year old keyboard click.)

While I try to avoid having my hand planted on the mouse that much while scrubbing through "6 hours of footage", I would look the other way if you want to file a feature request to the development group.

Thanks, John, you're almost correct.

 

But my workflow is more sophisticated - I also use a script, which moves the previous clip on the track above. This way, I can separate dialog and b-roll with only 2 hotkeys while dragging the mouse.

 

For example, hotkey "1" splits the clip and hotkey "2" splits the clip and adds it to a higher track.

alice-f wrote on 6/8/2023, 10:18 AM

Feature requests go here: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-feature-requests--134374/

Can't say I ever wanted to edit that way. VEGAS does have a auto scene detect and split feature that may save time if you are splitting a video with some kind of obvious change in the source file.

No, I just need to split when the person in the video talks and opens his/her mouth. B-roll goes to the track above.

You can read my previous comment to understand the workflow.

 

Marco. wrote on 6/8/2023, 10:48 AM

Could you identify the speech based on the audio waveform, maybe after encreasing the hight of the audio track and the height of the waveform?

alice-f wrote on 6/8/2023, 12:53 PM

Could you identify the speech based on the audio waveform, maybe after encreasing the hight of the audio track and the height of the waveform?

It's not only about the speech, but sometimes about context. So I can listen to it a few times to understand context, and then cut a few times in one go while dragging the timeline cursor with the mouse.

So I need this to work as described, because it's a smart, simple, fast and efficient way of editing speech/conversation.

 

3POINT wrote on 6/8/2023, 3:14 PM

"What I found is that almost none of the hotkeys are operational while the left mouse button is pressed and hold."

This is correct. I doubt Vegas Pro could mimik your desired workflow. You would need to adopt your workflow to the tools and logic Vegas Pro offers.

I expect this should be implemented by developers in future updates. I have no idea how a professional grade software doesn't have such an important feature.

I'm using this professional software almost for two decades now and never missed such a feature. I'm using for splitting a jog Shuttle with a dedicated split button.

I edit videos since 2004, and I miss it here in Vegas Pro, that's why I asked this question. There is no universal workflow, but what I get used to works much better for me than what you suggested.

Ever tried a jog Shuttle instead a mouse?

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 6/9/2023, 12:47 AM

@alice-f What you want to do is possible. 1st, if any clips are selected, type ctrl-shift-A to deselect all. Then select the headers of the tracks you want to split... I imagine you want to split a video track together with the audio track below it. Just click on the 1st header and ctrl-click on the next one to select both. Then when you scrub along the marker area above the clip area, you need to just let up on mouse button and type S where you want the split. You can continue the scrub by grabbing the little triangle above the end-of-region you just scrubbed.

alice-f wrote on 6/9/2023, 2:52 AM

@alice-f What you want to do is possible. 1st, if any clips are selected, type ctrl-shift-A to deselect all. Then select the headers of the tracks you want to split... I imagine you want to split a video track together with the audio track below it. Just click on the 1st header and ctrl-click on the next one to select both. Then when you scrub along the marker area above the clip area, you need to just let up on mouse button and type S where you want the split. You can continue the scrub by grabbing the little triangle above the end-of-region you just scrubbed.

Thanks, Howard, but this doesn't work. I need to split while dragging, not after releasing the mouse.

alice-f wrote on 6/9/2023, 2:53 AM

"What I found is that almost none of the hotkeys are operational while the left mouse button is pressed and hold."

This is correct. I doubt Vegas Pro could mimik your desired workflow. You would need to adopt your workflow to the tools and logic Vegas Pro offers.

I expect this should be implemented by developers in future updates. I have no idea how a professional grade software doesn't have such an important feature.

I'm using this professional software almost for two decades now and never missed such a feature. I'm using for splitting a jog Shuttle with a dedicated split button.

I edit videos since 2004, and I miss it here in Vegas Pro, that's why I asked this question. There is no universal workflow, but what I get used to works much better for me than what you suggested.

Ever tried a jog Shuttle instead a mouse?

Yes, and I don't like it al all. Have you ever tried editing a 60-hour-long documentary? :)

3POINT wrote on 6/9/2023, 4:34 AM

"What I found is that almost none of the hotkeys are operational while the left mouse button is pressed and hold."

This is correct. I doubt Vegas Pro could mimik your desired workflow. You would need to adopt your workflow to the tools and logic Vegas Pro offers.

I expect this should be implemented by developers in future updates. I have no idea how a professional grade software doesn't have such an important feature.

I'm using this professional software almost for two decades now and never missed such a feature. I'm using for splitting a jog Shuttle with a dedicated split button.

I edit videos since 2004, and I miss it here in Vegas Pro, that's why I asked this question. There is no universal workflow, but what I get used to works much better for me than what you suggested.

Ever tried a jog Shuttle instead a mouse?

Yes, and I don't like it al all. Have you ever tried editing a 60-hour-long documentary? :)

No, the longest interview I did was less then an hour. Which camera produces a 60 hour long one file recording?

Wolfgang S. wrote on 6/9/2023, 4:48 AM

I need to split while dragging, not after releasing the mouse.

I think this is not implemented at the moment. The best, what you can do, is to drag the cursor with the mouse; release the mouse, BUT stay at the cursor; type "S"; pick again the cursor (and since you stayed at the cursor, that works fast.

What you would like to have ist to go through the footage, type S where you want a split; and continue immediately. That can be done during playback of the footage, but that works only with normal speed.

So I understand your desire, but that is not implemented in the software by now. And long-terms Vegas users will not miss it therefore I think because they are familiar with that behavior of the editor.

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alice-f wrote on 6/9/2023, 5:14 AM

"What I found is that almost none of the hotkeys are operational while the left mouse button is pressed and hold."

This is correct. I doubt Vegas Pro could mimik your desired workflow. You would need to adopt your workflow to the tools and logic Vegas Pro offers.

I expect this should be implemented by developers in future updates. I have no idea how a professional grade software doesn't have such an important feature.

I'm using this professional software almost for two decades now and never missed such a feature. I'm using for splitting a jog Shuttle with a dedicated split button.

I edit videos since 2004, and I miss it here in Vegas Pro, that's why I asked this question. There is no universal workflow, but what I get used to works much better for me than what you suggested.

Ever tried a jog Shuttle instead a mouse?

Yes, and I don't like it al all. Have you ever tried editing a 60-hour-long documentary? :)

No, the longest interview I did was less then an hour. Which camera produces a 60 hour long one file recording?

It's not a one file recording, there are thousands of clips side by side on a timeline.

Each Vegas project (timeline) has around 2–6 hours of footage divided by topic, location, person and so on.

Then I need to scrub over that footage and select best parts simultaneously splitting clips OR using script for "split and move to a higher track".

Both split hotkey and script hotkey are binded to, let's say, numbers 1 and 2 on a keyboard.

This way I can scrub, split, split and move clips up with just mouse movement and pressing two keys with my left hand.

Finally, I end up with 2 separate sorted tracks of "selects", which can be re-used for the second, third, fourth and so on sorting processes.

 

This way I sift through the footage and condense 60 hours to 30–60 minutes for final cut edit.