Intel i9 9900K processor review using Vegas Pro

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bitman wrote on 11/25/2018, 3:10 AM

FWIW re: Intel Graphics 630, I found that the "Running man" project did indeed render out with Intel Graphics set for GPU Acc.  However neither the "Red Car" nor the VP 16 sample project would render, both freeze.

I've updated the "Running man" results accordingly.

Did you check your intel iGPU driver lately? I ran into an issue that was solved by updating the intel iGPU driver:

http://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/black-screen-on-vegas-4k-project-with-ignite-pro--113844/

 

Current system: VP16 (suite) build 424, VP15 (suite) build 416, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2019,...

  • OS: Windows 10 Pro 64, version 1903
  • CPU: der8auer i7-8700K (advanced edition), default speed (no overclock), Cooler: Noctua NH-D15s
  • RAM: G.Skill Trident Z 3200C14 DDR4 64GB, XMP set to profile 1 in BIOS
  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - yes upgraded from 34 to 38, I can see more tracks now! Resolution: 3840x1600
  • C-drive: Samsung NVMe SSD 2TB 960 pro
  • Data storage: WD gold 6TB + WD Yellow 4TB
  • MOBO: Gigabyte Z370 Aorus Gaming 7
  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2, shuttlePROv2, Keyboard and mouse: Logitech G910 and G700s (and now Evoluent Vertical Mouse)

Before November 2018: NVIDEA Gibabyte GTX 1080ti

Before November 2017: windows 10 Pro 64, i7-4790k, mem: DDR3 16GB GTX TITAN X (Maxwell)

 

JN_ wrote on 11/25/2018, 5:08 AM

Hi @bitman I am using the same, latest Intel driver, I had mentioned this on page 2 after my main Red Car test results post. I’ve updated my signature with this info, should have already done so.

Anyway thanks, but it may be as bob-h says that VP is not yet optimised for the 630. My PC build was from a clean, new Win 10 install so very little else to cause this except VP, Win 10.

Whenever Microsoft gets over their latest update issues and release it i’ll install and test again in case its a Win 10 incompatibility.

As previously stated it works ok on media, Running man, without anything added.

I tried the usual culprit, I set to false SO4 ...dll, Red Car test, no luck, the difference was that it rendered to 28% whereas with the dll set to true it never goes past 0%. The othe day when I checked in Task Manager, with the dll set to true, the memory and cpu were both low. I think its over to Magix at this stage.

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Peter_P wrote on 11/25/2018, 9:19 AM

Anyway thanks, but it may be as bob-h says that VP is not yet optimised for the 630.

The Intel® UHD-Grafik 630 is out quite a while and the same in the i7-8700k. I prefer not to use latest Intel driver but the VGA-Intel driver tested and provided by the MB manufacturer.

JN_ wrote on 11/25/2018, 10:45 AM

If its out a while it’s surprising that it doesnt work on Magix's own sample project.

I tried your suggestion, the DVD supplied Asus m/board driver 6195, same result, I reverted back to the latest..

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

OldSmoke wrote on 11/26/2018, 6:45 PM
Running Man test, origional ... (3 pieces of it end to end, 37s 12f duration.)

Render with either Nvenc, Intel QSV or CPU only.  Render templates set at default for Nvenc and QSV.  The Hevc template render values are in brackets, {Hevc}.  The OC values are in brackets, (Overclock).

HW Acceleration = Nvidia

Render with Nvenc .......  0:23s ... {31s} ….. (8s)

Render with QSV ..........  0:22s ... {35s} ….. (7s)

 

Red Car 1080p

HW Acceleration = Nvidia

Render with Nvenc .......  0:21s …..... [4790K ... 0:31s] .... (22s) … Hevc is 0:23s with this i9 cpu.

Render with QSV ..........  0:18s ……………………………. (18s)

 

@JN_

At what clock is your i9-9900k now running in OC mode ?

I assume, the (OC) values are for AVC output ? The real strange thing is that there is nealy no benefit of the OC on the Read Car 1080p rendering if GPUs are used, but significantly with UHD rendering.

Would you mind to check also the (OC) rendering with UHDp24 HEVC output ?

I was reading this post and thought I test the Red Car 1080p project again, I actually haven't done it with VP15; sorry but I don't have VP16.

On my aging 3930K @4.3GHz rendering with Fury X and Magix VEC it takes 17sec.; CPU only with the Mainconcept setting is rather slow at 91sec.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM

Norbert wrote on 11/27/2018, 3:04 AM

The only thing I will never understand is why Vegas won't take advantage of the CPU-GPU properly. While Premiere uses 80-100% CPU while rendering Vegas using only 28% CPU.... Ryzen 1700X, X AVC L files being converted into h.264 without color correction....

Peter_P wrote on 11/27/2018, 4:08 AM

The only thing I will never understand is why Vegas won't take advantage of the CPU-GPU properly.

CPU while rendering Vegas using only 28% CPU...

@Norbert

At least for UHDp30 XAVC-S footage being rendered to MAGIX AVC/AAC 1080p30 (QSV) I think Vp16 B307 does a pretty good job. It uses the  CPU and GPUs quite well :

and for me the result is more important then the pure CPU usage. It renders some UHDp30 XAVC-S 100Mbps clips with a total length of 145,5 s in only 57s → F = 0,39. That is what counts for me.

In my 'real' UHDp30  projects with Mercalli and some FX on the events it is still F= 0,7 e.g. the project is renders in ~70% of the realtime.

 

 

 

JN_ wrote on 11/27/2018, 5:01 AM

@OldSmoke Impressive! BTW Those 7 & 8 second times were user errors from a post that i’ve since updated.

I didn’t want to muddy the waters with non i9 9900k stuff, but anyway heres some from the i7 4790k ...

Red Car test ... Using GTX 580 instead of GTX 1080.

Phanteks PC test ... i7-4790K + GTX 580 + 16gb ram. .. 11-11-2018.  VP15.

 

HW Acceleration = Nvidia

Render with Cuda ................. 0:31s 

Render with Intel QSV ........... 0:35s

Render with CPU only ........... 2:07s

 

HW Acceleration = Intel Graphics

Intel QSV ............................... 0:53s

CPU only ............................... 2:06s

 

HW Acceleration = None

Render with CPU only .......... 3:03s

@Peter_P I added just a few Cpu power max values to my running man results. I used the Asus software and just eyeballed for peaks, not Aida64, but easier than learning a new piece of software, max temp recorded was 56 degrees.

 

 

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Peter_P wrote on 11/27/2018, 5:25 AM
 

HW Acceleration = Nvidia

Render with Nvenc .......  0:23s ... {31s} ….. (22s)

Render with QSV ..........  0:22s ... {35s} ….. (21s)

Render with Cpu only ...  1:55s ... {1:10s (1:07) } … (1:52s) … Watts 150.4 … {Watts 148.6, Cpu=56 degrees}

@JN_

That's quite high for a 95 TDP CPU ;)

I assume the core temperatures go much higher then the package temperture of about
56°C.

JN_ wrote on 11/27/2018, 5:54 AM

Hi Peter, I guess it is what it is, 56 degrees seems pretty good to me, with it flat out rendering 4K.

The power usage is around what I was expecting, doesn’t bother me at all.

Last changed by JN_ on 11/27/2018, 5:56 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Peter_P wrote on 11/27/2018, 6:08 AM

Hi JN_, do you use air- or water-cooling ?
My CPU package temperature with air-cooling is about 48°C on a longer MAGIX AVC 1080p render and the core peaks are ~10°C above. So you will be on a very safe area with your temperatures.

Norbert wrote on 11/27/2018, 7:18 AM

Vegas used to be my favorite software but sadly it keeps letting me down even when I use it for small projects, since 14 version it's getting sluggish and obsoleted and it can't catch up with its features, stability and reliability to Premiere or Resolve. I can't say to my clients that "Hey, the program sucks, and I have to work around some bugs, please wait with your deadline..." I wish I didn't have to switch permanently but since its main code is the same since the begygining it just can't catch up with today's hardware. I bought last year a Ryzen 1700X and as I experienced Premiere is the best at using it while rendering... I wish there was a Vegas rewritten totally.

JN_ wrote on 11/27/2018, 8:22 AM

Hi JN_, do you use air- or water-cooling ?
My CPU package temperature with air-cooling is about 48°C on a longer MAGIX AVC 1080p render and the core peaks are ~10°C above. So you will be on a very safe area with your temperatures.

Hi Peter i’m using a Corsair h150i in the roof, 2 fans in the front, one in the back and a small one on the floor, Corsair 760T case, easy to work in, Corsair HX850i. Meant to say also that the temp. in Dublin is now 9 degrees, so cool running all round!

The temp. I supplied, 56 degrees is only the peak, not far off your 58 degrees peak.

Last changed by JN_ on 11/27/2018, 8:49 AM, changed a total of 2 times.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Peter_P wrote on 11/27/2018, 8:44 AM

Corsair h150i that's quite a strong cooling, but not absolutely silent. 😉
On my i7-8700k I only have a Megahalems Rev C with a very silent fan. But for the i9-9900k I also would prefer water cooling.

JN_ wrote on 11/27/2018, 11:32 AM

Actually, Peter, from reviews i’ve read, it’s the other way around, the h150i is far from the most powerful of AIO's, but trades that for a quiter experience, which I prefer.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Peter_P wrote on 11/28/2018, 1:26 AM

Good morning JN_.

The H150i is specified with 25dB and 1660RPM. Is this noise level given for the 1600RPM and what is your idle fan speed of these 3 fans?

JN_ wrote on 11/28/2018, 5:43 AM

Hi Peter Idle fan speeds are … 334, 351 and 333 rpm.  Pump varies between 1000+ to 2040 rpm, profile set at "Balanced"

The 1st. screenshot is at idle, the next 2 are at about 2/3 rd. the way through rendering the "Running man" using HW Acc = Nvidia and  MC CPU render. Ambient room temperature was 14 degrees.

Its really extremely quite.

Guru3d amongst others did a review of this AIO. https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h150i_pro_review,1.html

Last changed by JN_ on 11/28/2018, 5:50 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Peter_P wrote on 11/28/2018, 5:56 AM

Thanks, but it must be quite cold at your place that the Samsung SSD 840 is on only 13°C. 😉
My room temperature is currently at about 21°C.

But the low difference between CPU package and core temperatures shows the good cooling and also the benfit of the soldered head spreader of the i9-9900k.

JN_ wrote on 11/28/2018, 6:08 AM

My pc is in an outdoor cabin, so heater hadn’t time to raise the temperature when I did this test, ambient temperature in room was 14 degrees, outside today is 13.

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Peter_P wrote on 11/28/2018, 6:33 AM

Subject CPU render.
Even though I’m currently only shooting in UHDp30 I still want to have my 1080p BD-ISOs with DVDA generated menus. For that purpose I render with Sony AVC 26Mbps CPU to get the best quality. On this render the i9-9900k surely benefits from the 8 cores compared  to the 6 of my i7-8700k.

The 3xRunnerUHDp24 is here rendered to 1080p24 Sony AVC 25.999Mbps CPU in 26s ( F=0.69 - 69% of real time) with a CPU package temperature of ~40°C core#1 ~47°C.

JN_ wrote on 11/28/2018, 8:49 AM

Well, thats good cooling control also and quite fast.

 

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

TheRhino wrote on 3/9/2019, 3:27 PM

Just upgraded (1) 4.0 Ghz Xeon 5660 Workstation to a 9900K w/Corsair h150i cooler... At stock speeds w/onboard graphics I am getting 2X the render speeds on MP4s and a 50% improvement on AVID DNxHD intermediate codec. Chose the ASUS WS Z390 Pro due to its PLX chip & ability to handle traffic from (5) PCIe cards... The last time I got 2X speed increase for $1000 invested (CPU, MB, RAM, COOLER) was in 2010 when I upgraded a 4-core i920 to a $1000 6-core 980X. I may upgrade my other workstations to Threadripper, but I need to see better Vegas numbers as this is the app I use the most...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair i150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using cheap Mellanox2 Adapters
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

fr0sty wrote on 3/9/2019, 4:07 PM

I'd hold off for those 3rd gen threadrippers for your other workstation.

OldSmoke wrote on 3/10/2019, 12:12 PM

I'd hold off for those 3rd gen threadrippers for your other workstation.

And why is that?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM