New Computer system

GeoffreyDean33 wrote on 3/18/2020, 2:57 PM

I'm discovering how limited my current computer system is for editing quality 4K footage. I am complicating a new system but the last thing I want is to spend a couple thousand dollars only to find out I have a mother board or video card that doesn't work well with Vegas 17 Pro. What is the best guidance to build or buy a new system. Has anyone purchased a brand name system that works well? Can I post a proposed system specs here for review?

Below is my current system. I'm all ears if anyone sees low hanging fruit I could fix on this.

Last summer I changed out the graphics card to a Radeon RX 580 thinking that the current thinking on this board was that Radeon was more stable than Nvidea.

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j-v wrote on 3/18/2020, 5:10 PM

I bought a half year ago a new system that wwork very well with VPro 17 and my footage of 2,7 K - UDH GoPro 7 HEVC files and my other footage, all in my signature under Camera and Desktop and

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Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W10 home version 1909 build 18363.720, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti.
Laptop  :Asus ROG GL753VD, W10 home version 1909 build 18363.720, CPU i7 7700HQ, 8 GB RAM, GeF. GTX 1050 (2 GB) + Int. HD Graphics 630(2GB).VP 16,17 and VMS PL 16 are installed, all latest builds
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JN- wrote on 3/19/2020, 8:47 AM

@GeoffreyDean33 There's a varied list of users computers in the Benchmarking project. Maybe look there to see what works, and get some ideas.

 

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070

Graphics driver .. latest studio

GeoffreyDean33 wrote on 3/19/2020, 9:29 AM

So, maybe put another way, is there a video card or other component known to create issues with Vegas Pro 17?

JN- wrote on 3/19/2020, 9:56 AM

"So, maybe put another way, is there a video card or other component known to create issues with Vegas Pro 17?"

So, all of the cards in the benchmarking project completed successfully.

@GeoffreyDean33 That's tricky. Chicken and egg situation. Are the problems in VP re: GPU's caused, by VP only or GPU's + vendors software only, probably not, more likely a mixture of both. Plenty of users using either AMD or Nvidia types successfully, so really go for what you think is best for you and your pocket. Obviously all of the users that used the Benchmarking did it successfully, mostly with VP16. It's a 4K test that does stress the system well. VP17 is definitely a little more problematic.

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070

Graphics driver .. latest studio

john_dennis wrote on 3/19/2020, 12:24 PM

[Opinion]

You need relief from the i7-3770 right now. Though not stellar, the Radeon RX 580 is not your "problem". If you're price-sensitive, buy a competent 8-core processor with a core-clock >/= 4 GHz, keep the 580 and save $600.

[/Opinion]

I moved off the i7-3770(k) in January 2017, I refuse to think about specific CPU hardware rankings until six months before my next upgrade in early 2021.

[Anecdotal Fodder with a little analysis thrown in.]

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/uhd-4k-timeline-preview-results-2017--105232/

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/i-m-going-for-a-walk--118208/

[/Anecdotal Fodder with a little analysis thrown in.]

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 3/19/2020, 5:18 PM

Ability to edit 4k video turns out to be a vague criteria. It depends on Vegas 17's ability to decode 4k video which is a function of its specific format. I recently tested some 4k footage from a camera in mp4/h.265 and a lowly Intel NUC (w/onboard amd & Intel gpus) was able to deal with it w/o proxies. Footage Vegas cannot decode or recognize would need transcoding and/or proxies. Regarding rendering and playback performance of different processors and amd video cards (including the rx580), here are comparative numbers I've run on my own systems: http://www.rtpress.com/roundup.htm

Cameras: Canon XF305, JVC GV-LS2, Canon 6D w/L-glass line.
Laptop: Dell XPS15-9570; i7-8750h 32gb (integrated Intel UHD-630 & Nvidia GTX-1050Ti)
Road: Intel NUC i7 8809g 32gb (integrated AMD VegaM 4gb graphics and Intel HD630)
Workstation: i9 9900k 32 gb (Sapphire AMD Radeon VII 16gb graphics and integrated Intel UHD630)
Workstation2: e5 1650v4 128 gb (Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 8gb graphics)
Workstation3: i7-980X 24gb (Sapphire RX480 4gb graphics)
currently Vegas 17.421

TheRhino wrote on 3/20/2020, 12:06 AM

The 4-core 3770K has very similar performance to my 10 year-old 6-core 980X CPUs & just like in @Howard-Vigorita tests (thanks) will only provide speeds about 1/2 as fast as a 9900K with Radeon 7/VEGA 64... Also, since I upgraded to the latest Vegas release & VEGA 64 drivers, my VCE renders are as fast as QSV, 13 seconds for the Red Car Test & 45 seconds for the Sample Project... Overall my 9900K edits 4K intermediates about as well as my Xeons handled 1080p, and I am happy with that...

I use Vegas & Photoshop for paid work & find the affordable 9900K & VEGA 64 are out-performing systems costing much more... LAST April I paid just $1350 for the 9900K, VEGA 64 Liquid Cooled, Corsair H150i CPU cooler, 32 GB DDR4, and ASUS Z390 WS motherboard. (I kept everything else from the previous system...)

The Asus Z390 WS workstation-class motherboard is rock-stable as are my 10 year-old ASUS P6T6 WS motherboards when powered by reliable 750+W Corsair power supplies... Quality motherboards have high quality capacitors & provide stable voltage to the CPU, GPU, etc.

The other key to stability is not letting Windows auto update drivers & keeping bloatware & unnecessary programs off of your workstations. I also limit my 3rd party FX to just the ones I use.... If I want to try something new, I test it on an older system... I also change my Windows update to metered-only connection so it has to ask me before updating... Otherwise it will swap-out my know stable drivers for whatever Windows thinks are newer drivers... This is why I also make backup images of a stable installation. If programs start crashing, I can go back to a good OS install to make sure my problems are not software related...

I also have a fairly new $999 Walmart Evoo 17 laptop with an Intel I7-9750H 6-core CPU & RTX 2060 GPU. Like my 9900K, it allows the RTX 2060 & internal Intel IGPU (QSV) to work at the same time during renders... (What also gives Intel chips an advantage over comparable AMD chips...) Although not as fast as my 9900K, the laptop is noticeably faster than my 6-core Xeons... I use it to edit mostly 1080p MP4s when I don't want to work in the studio... It came with a 1TB M.2 but has a slot for a 2nd M.2 & also a SSD. Can't beat all those features in a $999 laptop!

 

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 16TB RAID10--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID10 card

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & new $135 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A, B & C are older 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

fred-w wrote on 3/20/2020, 12:38 AM

Timeline playback rate, real time, is my main concern. All other speed measurements are secondary to that, AFAIAC.

If you study that chart, the ONLY cards that are getting you top performance in frames per second (fps) performance are the Nvidia 2080ti, and the AMDs, = Vega 64 and Radeon VII. Those fps rates assume a high end CPU, but the card is more determinate, as far as getting the truly high frame rate.

GeoffreyDean33 wrote on 3/20/2020, 8:15 AM

The current system listed in my first post at the top, won't play ProRes 4K LT on the timeline. I have to use a proxy. Since ProRes is reportedly created for smooth editing (correct me if I'm wrong), I take this as a sign my computer is woefully outdated.

My Z Cam also records in h.265. Z-Cam provides transcoder software for the h.265 files but the transcoded files won't play my timeline either. Again, I have to use proxies.

Since life is slowing down and everything being canceled, I'm thinking this might be a time to try to build my own. I can follow some of what you guys have stated above, but some is over my head. One idea was to follow this guy's recommendation for a $1400 system but choose the options to up the power and price to over $2000:

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Reyfox wrote on 3/24/2020, 1:31 PM

Those cases he listed in the video are not the best in air flow, which is critical when editing and the components heat up. The Cooler Master Hyper 212 is barely better than the stock cooler on the 3900X. I have the 3900X and am using the stock cooler that came with it before I think about upgrading to a better air or AIO cooler... maybe.

My "old" computer is a Ryzen 1700X 8/16threads with AIO and 16GB of RAM. I have 32GB now with space for 32GB more if I see a need.

His comment on Ryzen 3700 as 8 cores/12 threads was a little funny. 8 cores/16threads is what it is. But it is a good processor!

Inexpensive MSI X570 motherboards suffer from not so great VRM's. Buildzoid has a detailed breakdowns on motherboards. Gamers Nexus does detailed testing of computer cases with air flow being extremely important.

I chose the Phanteks P400a when I did my computer build. The Lian Li Lancool II was not out yet, but liking what I've seen of the case and the possible inclusion of a mess front

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Howard-Vigorita wrote on 3/25/2020, 11:30 AM

The case I just love is the Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C - Mid Tower. Good cooling, very configurable, and super quiet for doing critical audio work. Had to search around to get one with a dampened solid lid, however, instead of the glass one more gamer popular with their rgb light show insides.

Cameras: Canon XF305, JVC GV-LS2, Canon 6D w/L-glass line.
Laptop: Dell XPS15-9570; i7-8750h 32gb (integrated Intel UHD-630 & Nvidia GTX-1050Ti)
Road: Intel NUC i7 8809g 32gb (integrated AMD VegaM 4gb graphics and Intel HD630)
Workstation: i9 9900k 32 gb (Sapphire AMD Radeon VII 16gb graphics and integrated Intel UHD630)
Workstation2: e5 1650v4 128 gb (Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 8gb graphics)
Workstation3: i7-980X 24gb (Sapphire RX480 4gb graphics)
currently Vegas 17.421