Release VEGAS Pro 365 - General Discussion

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BobMoyer wrote on 1/19/2018, 12:16 PM

Then since I currently own Version 15 (perpetual), if I subscribe for 3 months, cancel after 1 month, then I can get all of those plugins installed in my Version 15 for perpetual use for only $19.99? Sounds like an UNBELIEVABLE deal to me!

gary-rebholz wrote on 1/19/2018, 12:22 PM

if I subscribe for 3 months, cancel after 1 month,

That's not possible. It's a three-month subscription. It goes for three months and you pay for three months. But that still only takes a little edge off of the point you're making.

Nick Hope wrote on 1/19/2018, 12:38 PM

.../The third-party tools are perpetual licenses, so you will still have access to those if later you decide to open your project with a perpetual version of VP. The caveat to that is that sometime vendors host or version lock their plug-ins to the product they are included with. We are trying to discourage our partners from doing so, but that is ultimately up to them.

That could be a big problem further down the road. If NewBlue, Hitfilm or iZotope were to version-lock their plugins to VP15, or even if they become incompatible for technical reasons, you will have a lot of 365 users demanding free access to a VP15 version once VP16 becomes the current 365 version. As a contingency plan, you could consider a system that entitles a user to use any previous VP version that had been current during an earlier time in their subscription period(s).

VidMus wrote on 1/19/2018, 2:16 PM

(e.g., VP 14 cannot open a VP 15 project).

As a side note:

I started a project in VP 15 and was having issues. I exported the project using an EDL text file and then imported it in VP 14. I had to re-work a number of setting and effects and all, but that took very little effort on my part. I was able to finish the project in VP 14 with no more issues.

Seems like someone could create a script and/or a utility to automatically load a VP 15 project or higher into VP 14 or lower to make it at least mostly work with the understanding that some features of the project might not/most likely might not work.

Anyway, I got it to work mostly because my project, while a long one, only used the basics of VP.

So there is a possible way to do it, but not a guaranteed way of doing it for obvious reasons.

I hope this helps those who need to use an earlier version of VP for whatever reason(s).

 

D7K wrote on 1/19/2018, 6:31 PM

Well I will be the first to say something like a photo CS subscription ($9.95) for just Vegas would be ok by me.

RealityStudio wrote on 1/19/2018, 10:37 PM

Yeah I'm fine with a subscription model, in fact I may switch to it. I've been buying Vegas every version since V4, and often a subscription model is similar pricing to that if not cheaper. So I have no issue with it.

Former users wrote on 1/19/2018, 10:46 PM

"Projects also remain fully accessible to users even after expiration and can be easily imported and edited by other versions of VEGAS Pro."

Since projects are rarely backward compatible, how does this work? 

Wolfgang S. wrote on 1/20/2018, 2:10 AM

That can only work for the same or an higher version of Vegas. Not for an older one.

Kinvermark wrote on 1/20/2018, 7:38 AM

That could be a big problem further down the road. If NewBlue, Hitfilm or iZotope were to version-lock their plugins to VP15, or even if they become incompatible for technical reasons, you will have a lot of 365 users demanding free access to a VP15 version once VP16 becomes the current 365 version. As a contingency plan, you could consider a system that entitles a user to use any previous VP version that had been current during an earlier time in their subscription period(s).

+1. I don't understand what Magix marketing department is thinking here. This is clearly almost guaranteed to happen at some point. Seriously, you cannot make a rental scheme where bits just fall off over time. Weird.

IMHO rental is a bad system, that unsuccessfully attempts to plaster over the problem of delivering good quality software with features that people want at an affordable price.

 

andreas-v wrote on 1/20/2018, 10:41 AM

I wonder if Magix will be honest with this question. What is the business reason why everyone in the NLE business seems to be so interested in going to a subscription model? Please don't give me the sales pitch about how you can serve you customers better. I am wondering why it is so appealing as a money-maker for the company? Is it about control and fighting piracy? Is it the ability to raise rates incrementally over time in a less noticeable way? Curious if we will get a straight answer on this because I'm pretty sure if Magix were to hold a referendum with their users, the subscription model would be soundly defeated. Yet, Magix and everyone else except Davinci Resolve push on to the subscription approach.


We won't get an honest answer.

I still remember when Adobe made their first push for an subscription model (Photoshop), they withdrew their plans quickly after the outrage of their customers. A few years later they tried again. Now, it is subscription only, and Adobe is making record profits.

It is time to move on, sooner than later. That's what I did when Adobe went subscription only.

And that "of course we will ..." , oh well, I am having an Adobe deja vue

Wolfgang S. wrote on 1/20/2018, 11:46 AM

So you say that everyone here is a lier?

OldSmoke wrote on 1/20/2018, 12:21 PM

So you say that everyone here is a lier?

I don’t think anyone does but there is also no firm commitment from Magix for what the future looks like and I am not talking about this year or the next. And no, I do not expect a firm commitment. But like others, I am sceptical about the future but glad that I own a perpetual license of a version that suits my current needs. I have skipped 15 and rather spent my money on Resolve Studio which almost suits all my needs aside from scripting.

I see a major issue for users that don’t have a perpetual license at all. While one may own the project file created in Vegas 365, it’s basically useless without the subscription and you are held at ransom from that point onwards. I would have subscribed if it’s rather a perpetual upgrade subscription where by the last version one subscribes it remains operational, you just don’t get any further updates. I would say it should be disconnected form all the 3rd party stuff, I for one don’t need it and see no reason why I should have to pay for it. Just a pure Vegas only, perpetual upgrade subscription and I am in.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

bitman wrote on 1/20/2018, 1:51 PM

 

. I would have subscribed if it’s rather a perpetual upgrade subscription where by the last version one subscribes it remains operational, you just don’t get any further updates. should .

@OldSmoke That is exactly what Magix did when they made their other NLE subscription only (Magix video pro ... to Magix video pro X (where the X stand for version less subscription model...). That is a less "ransomwarish" subcription type than Magix Vegas 365.

It is a pity that Magix treats it's own (competing) NLE products differently. On the other hand, I do not think they still offer a perpetual license for Magix edit pro X. At least for now we still have the choice for Vegas.

 

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Wolfgang S. wrote on 1/20/2018, 3:44 PM

I do not know how they should be able to convince anybody who has decided that he will not allow himself to be convinced. Even if they state that the perpetual license is ongoing. There is no way to do so. There is also no way for a firm commitment (however that should or could look like). You can also communicate that you do not trust somebody or that he is a liar, even without saying so.

This is a situation in communication where no win-win situation may exist.

OldSmoke wrote on 1/20/2018, 5:29 PM

Just because one doesn’t trust what another person states doesn’t imply that the other person is a liar.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

OldSmoke wrote on 1/20/2018, 5:49 PM

No, it implies only what a kind of person that one is.👎

I would be careful with such statements.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

OldSmoke wrote on 1/20/2018, 6:00 PM

Na 72 jaar ken ik mijn pappenheimers.🙂

So do I!

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Kit-As-Was wrote on 1/20/2018, 6:31 PM

What a joke! Before Magix released Version 14 they promised that an internet connection would only be required when activating the program:

MAGIX_Eric D wrote on 6/17/2016, 4:36 AM

The only time internet access is required is for the initial activation. The only time you would be required to access the internet again is if you reinstall the program.

That was a lie. Vegas 14 and 15 require connection to the Internet around once a month or they go belly-up. There is no perpetual version of Vegas 14 and 15. If Magix cease trading and/or close down their servers Vegas will stop working. What a sorry state. Vegas and Acid were state of the art when Sonic Foundry created them. So much for progress. We are all suckers to accept the current state of affairs. Yes, I'm frustrated and angry!

wilvan wrote on 1/21/2018, 1:12 AM

Once a month re-activating is indeed no perpetual version anymore and the reason I did not install my paid version 14 upgrade and not buying anything further anymore . What a petty ending .

JN_ wrote on 1/21/2018, 5:50 AM

Very good points Kit-as-was and Wilvan. So basically going forward as they say, the only secure way to guarantee future 100% use of your vegas projects would be to continue to use version 13.

After installation and activation can I take it that ver 13 no longer requires any further dial home?

Magix had a last ver 13 in the upgrade deal after they took over from Sony, does it act similarly do you know to the Sony version 13 ?

So really the so called perpetual is really a semiperpetual product.

 

 

Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 1/21/2018, 7:39 AM

Beside the fact that this is not the topic of this thread, it is everybodys free decision to purchase/not purchase and/or to install/not to install a new product. Your decision.

For here please stick to the topic of this thread (regardless how old you are).

JN_ wrote on 1/21/2018, 8:19 AM

So as moderator, you would prefer to curtail any comments that aren't gushing and full of praise for the new ransomware version of VP.

I can understand the fan boy mentality, we’re all guilty of it at some time or other, try not to make it so obvious. Moderators by virtue of them being moderators surely should be good at walking a fine line between their obvious like of the product (or they wouldn’t be chosen) and also allowing some contrary opinions. There are other moderators here that so far have had a more balanced approach than yours.

Also your ageism remarks are unnecessary and insulting to anyone of a certain age.

 

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Latest Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 1/21/2018, 9:18 AM

Dear friend, I am neither a fanboy nor will I accept a further violation of the community rules. And that includes that it is not up to you to judge how we will handle that here. Be warned that you are offtopic too, and that I will not accept your tone.

OldSmoke wrote on 1/21/2018, 9:25 AM

Beside the fact that this is not the topic of this thread, it is everybodys free decision to purchase/not purchase and/or to install/not to install a new product. Your decision.

For here please stick to the topic of this thread (regardless how old you are).

I don’t see it as off topic at all. Discussing the marketing of a product in a “general discussion” thread is just part of the whole. We all know the product, and it’s flaws, nothing to discuss there.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)