RTX 3000 series support.

LUIS-PELAEZ wrote on 10/14/2020, 10:32 AM

Hello guys. I have a 3950x and a RTX 3090 Asus Tuf. Does Vegas 17 or 18 have an issue with that set up. Or we need an update to use hardware acceleration with NVENC. Any patches coming. Reason why I mention this is because I’ve seen actually lower performance on this system than my 2080ti did on my previous build using same settings. Any advise?

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michael-harrison wrote on 10/14/2020, 1:53 PM

You're using the latest studio driver, I hope?

System 1:

Windows 10
i9-10850K 10 Core
128.0G RAM
Nvidia RTX 3060 Studio driver [most likely latest]
Resolution        3840 x 2160 x 60 hertz
Video Memory 12G GDDR5

 

System 2:

Lenovo Yoga 720
Core i7-7700 2.8Ghz quad core, 8 logical
16G ram
Intel HD 630 gpu 1G vram
Nvidia GTX 1050 gpu 2G vram

 

LUIS-PELAEZ wrote on 10/14/2020, 3:08 PM

Yes I have all the newest drivers and versions. I have a 3950x and a RTX 3090 with 64 GB RAM DDR4.

andyrpsmith wrote on 10/14/2020, 3:14 PM

You should be using 456.71 which is the latest driver that deals with issues related to the new 30 series cards. at the moment there is no studio driver for these cards. I am using 456.71 with 1080ti with absolutely no issues with V18.

LUIS-PELAEZ wrote on 10/14/2020, 4:01 PM

Ok will do. Thanks for being so attentive I’ll report back once I have an update.

andyrpsmith wrote on 10/14/2020, 4:41 PM

Also try setting dynamic ram preview to 0 unless you have a need to render clips in real-time on the timeline.

(Intel 3rd gen i5@4.1GHz, 32GB RAM, SSD, 1080Ti GPU, Windows 10) Not now used with Vegas.

13th gen i913900K - water cooled, 96GB RAM, 4TB M2 drive, 4TB games SSD, 2TB video SSD, GPU RTX 4080 Super, Windows 11 pro

LUIS-PELAEZ wrote on 10/14/2020, 8:15 PM

I did that but still renders take longer than my 2080ti did. It’s so weird.

dream wrote on 10/15/2020, 2:26 PM

try some other software and share the results, btw how much difference(time)

LUIS-PELAEZ wrote on 10/15/2020, 3:06 PM

A lot. Seems to render frames slower. I wish I had a video. For example my last build a 1080p dual video layer 9m video would render in 7 min now that same video takes 15 min. I’m lost lol it has to be a setting. I’m missing something.

hambonio wrote on 11/15/2020, 8:43 PM

Is there still no support for these cards? By chance I happened to see one in stock at Microcenter today. I know how tough they are to come by so I picked it up with a sour stomach. My Radeon VII has been dying, only 2 monitors max off of that card for the past nearly 3 months.

Now I have an even more sour stomach after finally getting this up and running only to see there is no way to turn on hardware decoding etc, or that there is even an option with the driver update even though I went to nvidia after installing and installing the latest drivers. I am getting 3fps renders nvenc and mainconcept (pretty sure the nvenc is not actually working as there is no mention of that being available anywhere else in my settings) where my Radeon VII was getting 20+ fps with amdvce.

EDIT: I have tried both the game ready and studio drivers

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 11/15/2020, 11:33 PM

@hambonio Don't know if you've already tried it but I've heard that sometimes active adapter cables are needed to use multiple dp outputs with the Radeon VII. Another possibility is just dropping in an additional video board if the slot next to the Radeon VII is free. Nothing fancy with too much power draw. Just for extra monitor connections. I recently did that on a machine that had an amd 5700xt and added an Nvidia 1660. Vegas didn't get confused and seems to actually like it... can render and decode with either. Didn't do it for extra monitors but just hooked one up to try it out and it works.

hambonio wrote on 11/16/2020, 8:44 AM

So - my main question - Does VP18 not support 3090 cards yet, or am I doing something wrong?

For the Radeon VII I tried upgrading the DP cables first. I thought it worked until my PC timed out screens again - which was the issue before. Then I switched one to HDMI, again that worked on first boot up but then after I was still getting random monitors not working, sometimes the HDMI, sometimes the DP cable monitors. Then the 3rd monitor would pop on randomly a couple hours later while editing/using the PC for no reason.

Then I added an OLD R9 270x for a 3rd monitor. While I was getting 3 displays on it, it was soo buggy moving items from that monitor to other monitors. Simple Microsoft Excel would crash the PC when I moved it from the HDMI monitor to a DP monitor. That and the lag was really bad on the HDMI monitor, but I could have dealt with that for that monitors use.

ANYHOW before I get myself too long winded again - my saving grace there was that my Radeon VII was still under extended warranty until Next June (yes I am a freak who buys those, but here we are with it saving my arse!) , and that was the reason for the return. I was mildly anticipating at least getting the gift card for the return so I could HOPEFULLY use it against one of the new Radeon GPUs that are releasing on 11/18. With that being an uncertainty, especially seeing how tough it has been to get the nVidia cards, and Microcenter telling me there are lines outside daily trying to get nVidia GPUs, I did not want to see this scenario play out just hoping for a new Big Navi card.

I mean, I could have still made a small profit by selling it on eBay instead as they are still going strong, and most people buying them up for mining and not multiple monitors, but I didn't feel right doing that and that is just an extra hassle.

 

TheRhino wrote on 11/17/2020, 3:29 PM

I think it took a while for Vegas to support the AMD 5700 XT, so maybe the same is true for the new Nvidia cards. Once the mid-range 5700 XT was supported, it provided speeds close to AMD's previous flagships like the Radeon 7 & my VEGA 64 LQ. BUT I am waiting on benchmarks before making a decision for workstation #2 upgrade...

NOTE - BIG NAVI is to be released TOMORROW, 11-18-2020.... So anyone lucky to get one, let us know how it goes...

However, the thing about Vegas is that it doesn't always take advantage of new hardware right-away, if ever... For instance, the now one year-old AMD 3950X SHOULD be faster than my 9900K in Vegas, but it is not... The 3090 & even 2080ti SHOULD be faster than my VEGA 64 LQ, but they really aren't, not by much... Techgage alluded to this when they did a brief test with content creation apps on the new 5950X CPU & new Nvidia GPUs...

Only time will tell if new GPU drivers and/or Vegas updates resolve this... AND, PLEASE update this or other posts with any success... If a new CPU/GPU combo increases my render speeds by 50% I'm ready to upgrade workstation #2 of 3 during this tax season...

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Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

lenard wrote on 11/17/2020, 5:02 PM

there is no way to turn on hardware decoding etc, or that there is even an option with the driver update even though I went to nvidia after installing and installing the latest drivers. I am getting 3fps renders nvenc and mainconcept (pretty sure the nvenc is not actually working as there is no mention of that being available anywhere else in my settings) where my Radeon VII was getting 20+ fps with amdvce.

EDIT: I have tried both the game ready and studio drivers

There was another post on here(maybe YT comments/reddit) complaining about their 3000 series GPU being slower than their older GPU, I only glanced at it, but 'slower' is technically true of your card, but I would have thought the other user would have said broken if they're talking about 3ffs. So not sure if there is a fix that upgrades your 3090 from broken to slow or not

john_dennis wrote on 11/17/2020, 5:30 PM

@TheRhino

With Vegas Pro, I didn't get hardware decode of the timeline with my RX480 until three years (and four numbered releases of Vegas Pro) into my four year upgrade cycle. That wasn't an AMD problem.

Before I built the last system, I put the RX480 into my old i7-3770(k) to very little fanfare. I would guess that combination would run better today with Vegas Pro 17 and above than it did then.

I've actually had the profane thought of installing a Radeon RX 6800 XT in my i7-6850 system before my scheduled forklift upgrade to the Ryzen 5950X. Just based on the clock speed alone, I should get a boost in performance if the video drivers and/or Vegas are compatible.

Another profane thought that I've had is that a Ryzen 5900X may be completely adequate for me because I don't often have enough projects going at once to keep all the additional cores of the Ryzen 5950X busy.

lenard wrote on 11/17/2020, 6:10 PM

@john_dennis Gerald prefers Nvidia

john_dennis wrote on 11/17/2020, 7:12 PM

@lenard

"I haven't tested the new cards, obviously, but in the past..." Gerald

I also have an Nvidia brand preference. The RX 480 was my first AMD card except for servers that had enough of a video card to produce a 1024x768 console. I'm not building my new system for the past. I'm building it for the future.

lenard wrote on 11/17/2020, 7:31 PM

They took something like 6+ months to fix their drivers for NLE users with the 5000 series. Someone was saying AMD is more likely to have slow driver update problem because their cards are built for open source driver support. I don't know if that statement makes sense or not

Reyfox wrote on 11/18/2020, 5:58 AM

...yet, many here are using AMD cards..... speculation is one thing, actual usage is another.

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Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 25.3.1

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

lenard wrote on 11/18/2020, 7:11 AM

My criticism isn't of the actual AMD hardware, it's the terrible driver support, and then the terrible support by NLE software. I don't think it's safe to think this will all change with 6000 release, as everyone expected the same with 5000 release. If you buy a new videocard you want it to work immediatly not wait 9 months. The problem with 3000 series Nvidia is solely a VegasPro one, all the other NLE's updated their software. It's not drivers

Reyfox wrote on 11/18/2020, 7:33 AM

.....I guess this is excluding those having issues with Nvidia card drivers.....

NLE's have to play "catch up" unless they are getting the SDK's to work with. I keep hearing AMD bad driver support, yet really have not experienced it myself....

We will see when the AMD 6000 series is released what happens.

Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 25.3.1

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

lenard wrote on 11/18/2020, 8:18 AM

.....I guess this is excluding those having issues with Nvidia card drivers.....

It seems like fake news. When vegas updates 4 times a year, and then users here say 'do you have latest drivers???????" , it's almost never related to drivers but it's a bug in vegasPro. You need to update your drivers when a new release comes out based on the current drivers at the time, but believing the vegas pro version released 3 months ago will somehow benefit from a a new driver update is usually just silly.

MochaPro is a good example. I was happily using Mocha with GPU support for the longest time, a new release based on current drivers is released, I download it, and suddenly I don't have GPU support. the reason why is logical, new mocha is based on new drivers, and a possible benefit from new drivers. this all makes sense. but when Vegas that at it's heart is really sony vegas from a decade ago demands new drivers when it hasn't been updated for months, it's normally nonsense. And so it's obvious why there is this problem with 3000 series GPU's. There hasnt' been an update from VegasPro, while there has been from the other NLE"s

Reyfox wrote on 11/18/2020, 8:31 AM

so those that are always asked have they updated their graphics drivers, are fake also.... I get it... but I guess you did not do the same thing looking for youtube videos on Nvidia graphics issues. They are there.

Don't get me wrong, Vegas should stay current with the latest hardware, including CPU's with plenty of cores/threads.

I reserve judgement on a product until it's tested, and then go from there....if past history is any indication, and what "you" (rhetorical) go by, no one would have a Ryzen CPU from AMD looking back at Bulldozer.

Either way, I am not an early adopter....I sit and wait for the dust to settle.

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Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 25.3.1

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

j-v wrote on 11/18/2020, 8:46 AM

Today was a new update for the Nvidia Studio driver, with also this added

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Reyfox wrote on 11/18/2020, 8:50 AM

@j-v in the update, it says they provide support for the following software.... would that mean that Resolve basically did nothing with their software to support the 3070?

Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: 25.3.1

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300