ryzen 9 5900x vs ryzen 9 9950x

sean-nelson wrote on 1/1/2025, 2:05 PM

I currently have the risen 9 5900x with 96 ddr4 and nvme storage and the Radeon RX 7900 XTX. I still find editing 4k footage not as snappy as id like it. I am wondering if I upgrade to the 9950x with ddr5 ram is going to be worth upgrading to.

Has anyone had any experience upgrading?

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RogerS wrote on 1/1/2025, 9:38 PM

Probably not a CPU or memory bottleneck.

What version of VEGAS do you use?

What's the details on the footage? HEVC? 10 bit? Framerate? MediaInfo can tell us everything we need to know at once: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-to-post-mediainfo-and-vegas-pro-file-properties--104561/

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Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark (works with VP 16+): https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark (works with VP 20+): https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Reyfox wrote on 1/2/2025, 8:54 AM

I edit with the computer in my Signature below, all the time 4K and 1080. 4:2:2 and 10bit too. "Snappy" is subjective. All the questions asked above will determine how things will perform on your really nice computer.

I'll wait one more generation before considering an upgrade myself....

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sean-nelson wrote on 1/3/2025, 5:22 PM

General
Complete name                            : H:\24_12_Brittany_Diamond\R_0005C374A241206_112452EJ_R5MK2.MP4
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Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
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Duration                                 : 11 min 19 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
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Frame rate                               : 29.970 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-12-06 22:46:54 UTC
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Video
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Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : Main@L5.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
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Bit rate                                 : 10.5 Mb/s
Width                                    : 4 096 pixels
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Display aspect ratio                     : 1.896
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Standard                                 : Component
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
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Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.040
Stream size                              : 850 MiB (97%)
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Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-12-06 22:46:54 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-12-06 22:46:54 UTC
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Codec configuration box                  : avcC

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Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
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Source duration                          : 11 min 19 s
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Bit rate                                 : 317 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 526 kb/s
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Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
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Stream size                              : 25.7 MiB (3%)
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Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : 2024-12-06 22:46:54 UTC
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I currently have the latest (updated) Vegas Pro.

RogerS wrote on 1/3/2025, 9:01 PM

Thanks for sharing this. Nothing especially stands out to me as problematic here. 8-bit 420 4K 29p presumably from a Canon R5MK2?

When you play this file back in VEGAS with windows task manager/performance open I assume you see decoding activity under the GPU?

Also if you think there might be a general issue please try the benchmarks in my signature and you and I can compare your times to comparable systems.

Vincent-Brice wrote on 1/4/2025, 1:55 PM

I started recording 10-bit 422 4K 25p a couple of months ago and I was very pleased with how perfectly smooth it all plays, even over cross fades, with preview on "Best (Full)". And so stable too (VP22) 😊

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RogerS wrote on 1/4/2025, 6:30 PM

I don't recommend 10 bit 422 AVC or HEVC as most GPUs can't decode it. With a couple of simultaneous streams the CPU will be overwhelmed unless using proxy files.

Vincent-Brice wrote on 1/6/2025, 2:41 PM

@RogerS I'm confused now. After reading all the advantages of filming in 10 bit 422, do you mean you don't recommend it if a PC isn't up to it or do you not recommend it in general? If most GPUs can't decode it, and mine is older generation and nowhere near top of specs and yet Vegas handles it no different to my 8 bit 420, then I'm guessing I'm not doing what I think I'm doing or not using clips I think I'm using. I wasn't sure what you meant by simultaneous streams, but I stacked a couple of clips with the top track at 50% opacity and it plays smooth, maintaining 25fps. I've never used proxies, so has Vegas generated proxies and I just didn't know? How do I tell? I'd really appreciate any help to understand this (only if you have a few spare minutes).

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Reyfox wrote on 1/6/2025, 3:26 PM

@Vincent-Brice I shoot a lot in 4K 10bit 4:2:2 without any issues. We have similar PC's except yours has a more powerful GPU and more RAM. My video files are produced by Lumix (Panasonic) and are MOV files.

And while my Mini 3 Pro doesn't shoot in 4:2:2, it does 10bit, and no issues editing. I've never used proxies myself.

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Vincent-Brice wrote on 1/6/2025, 3:37 PM

@Reyfox Ah, thanks so much for the reassurance. Yes, virtually the same spec PC and my video files are the same, MOV from a Lumix (GH6) 👍😊

Gigabyte Aorus Pro V2 motherboard, AMD Ryzen 9 5950X, Gigabyte AMD RX 6800XT, 64GB Corsair Vengeance 3600MHz ("Ryzen tuned", whatever that is), 500GB Corsair Force MP600 Gen 4 M.2 C:drive for windows and programs, 500GB Samsung Sata SSD EVO D:drive for video files, 1TB Samsung Sata SSD EVO E:drive for all other data, Gigabyte Aorus Waterforce 360 CPU cooler, Thermaltake Core P5 TG open case, Contour ShuttleXpress.

Windows 11 Pro 24H2, Vegas Pro 22 (Build 194)

Reyfox wrote on 1/6/2025, 4:04 PM

@Vincent-Brice nice camera. If my camera decides to stop, I'd get a G9II. Something about not having to get expensive CF Express cards, but I would stay with M43.

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Newbie😁

Vegas Pro 22 (VP18-21 also installed)

Win 11 Pro always updated

AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16 cores / 32 threads

32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: Pro 23.Q3

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

RogerS wrote on 1/7/2025, 12:12 AM

@RogerS I'm confused now. After reading all the advantages of filming in 10 bit 422, do you mean you don't recommend it if a PC isn't up to it or do you not recommend it in general? If most GPUs can't decode it, and mine is older generation and nowhere near top of specs and yet Vegas handles it no different to my 8 bit 420, then I'm guessing I'm not doing what I think I'm doing or not using clips I think I'm using. I wasn't sure what you meant by simultaneous streams, but I stacked a couple of clips with the top track at 50% opacity and it plays smooth, maintaining 25fps. I've never used proxies, so has Vegas generated proxies and I just didn't know? How do I tell? I'd really appreciate any help to understand this (only if you have a few spare minutes).

@Vincent-Brice I don't recommend it in general for performance reasons. Unless you are using an Intel GPU for decoding 10 bit 422 HEVC the CPU has to decode it and will start to choke with multiple clips at once (multicam or multitrack as you describe). 10-bit 422 AVC is always CPU-only. The CPU has to do other things too like Fx, etc. so it can become a bottleneck.

The advantage is mainly from 10-bit > 8 bit, so 10 bit 420 should give enough color precision for most purposes without the performance penalty.

Proxy files are automatically created above 4K in VEGAS. You'll see a second file in your media folder if there is one. They are used when you're in preview or draft preview quality mode. Otherwise they can be manually created by right-clicking on media.

You can confirm exactly what media you are using with MediaInfo, it's possible you aren't using 422?
There are plenty of threads of people complaining of bad performance with 10-bit 422 HEVC not just in VEGAS but in Resolve and other programs. Your experience will likely vary based on the details of the HEVC (resolution, framerate, data rate, GOP) and the hardware. If it works fine for you continue to use it!

But we're getting offtopic from the OP who had an issue with regular AVC not playing back well for some reason.

Former user wrote on 1/7/2025, 7:05 PM

I don't recommend 10 bit 422 AVC or HEVC as most GPUs can't decode it. With a couple of simultaneous streams the CPU will be overwhelmed unless using proxy files.

The 50 series Nvidia GPU's support HEVC 422 10bit decode, Nvidia says up to 8 streams of 4K60 per decoder, 2 decoders in 5080/5090, 1 decoder for the rest. 2 encoders for 5070ti,5080, 3 for 5090.

If you go by Intel 422 10bit decoding, Vegas is very slow compared to 420 decode, this will probably also be true for Nvidia decode of 422 10bit unless a performance upgrade comes at the same time as Nvidia 422 decode is implemented.

sean-nelson wrote on 1/9/2025, 1:10 AM

so I upgraded to the 9950x from the 5900x. with the fast ddr5 ram and nice pro mobo. same video card.

 

I compared the same render. on the 5900 it took 43 mins to render. with the 9950x it to 48mins. I am a bit baffled why. the 9950x has more cores, faster cores.

RogerS wrote on 1/9/2025, 1:48 AM

@sean-nelson Could you try the benchmarks in my signature with the recommended settings and we can compare your result to similar systems.

No idea why it would be slower, though the system itself may not yet be optimally configured. Try a CPU benchmark while adjusting motherboard wattage & voltage and watching temperatures. On the Intel side I didn't find my motherboard defaults very good for performance or heat management.

Reyfox wrote on 1/9/2025, 3:07 AM

@sean-nelson I went from the 3900X to the 5950X and there was a marketed improvement when the CPU was being utilized. I think my biggest improvement was going from my always faithfully working AMD RX480 8GB to the RX 6700XT 12GB. In some cases, a 3X improvement in render speed.

I really can't see you taking more time to render than before. Something is not right.

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32GB DDR4 3200

Sapphire RX6700XT 12GB Driver: Pro 23.Q3

Gigabyte X570 Elite Motherboard

Panasonic G9, G7, FZ300

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 1/9/2025, 9:36 AM

@sean-nelson Only things that come to mind as to why you'd get degraded performance from a faster system is that hardware, drivers, or settings somewhere are not right for the new system. Start with the fundamental mobo drivers. Then examine all settings in bios. I always run prime 95 at least once overnight to make sure pcie, dram, and cpu timings are solid on a new system. Not sure how you did the transfer... just moved the c-drive? If it's ssd, doing that is likely sub-optimal. At a minimum, that 1st step of re-installing all chipset, audio, bluetooth, wifi, and lan drivers is essential since the mobo firmware and devices are totally different. Also, it's best to start with a fresh, latest and greatest, ssd technology for the boot drive with optimal specs matching the new mobo. I usually increase the ssd size of the c: drive since Win itself always seems to get bigger with new versions. I used to go with 500gb for win10 but now go with a 2tb m.2. And obviously, do a fresh Win install. Did you add more m.2's? Installing more than two m.2 drives can lower drive performance for all of them, especially on newer mobos which tend to be more slot and pcie lane-challenged than in the past. Next go through Win settings, especially those that relate to gpu in System. There may be different options enabled by the new mobo. Lastly, go though every Vegas setting and see if anything is different there. If you moved the c: drive without any re-installs, that's probably not where the problem is.