The Issue with the Adjustment Event

Mobby wrote on 10/17/2023, 5:13 AM



Hello everyone, I have a question about the new adjustment event. Is there a way to turn off the text layers underneath it, so that I can edit and animate the text (highlighted in blue for illustration) that I have locked to the video track in its entirety on the timeline? There is, of course, the option to create an "Embedded Timeline," but I believe Vegas might be missing out on an efficient and fast editing method here. Additionally, I've encountered too many issues and crashes with the "Embedded Timeline" option, particularly when rapidly switching between various effects and performing numerous effect calculations simultaneously.

I apologize if the text is difficult to understand; I used a translator because my English is not very strong.

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Dexcon wrote on 10/17/2023, 5:53 AM

 Is there a way to turn off the text layers underneath it

Maybe I misunderstand the situation, but if a track below the adjustment event is populated with an unwanted title only, then that track can be muted ('M' icon) in the track header. If the mute option is not enabled, you'll need to enable it via the Edit Visible Button Set selection accessible via the '...' icon in the far left of the track header.

If the title is an FX added to a video event, then click on the 'fx' icone on the event header and uncheck or delete that FX.

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Former user wrote on 10/17/2023, 7:03 AM

@Mobby Hi, no is the simple answer, adding Picture in Picture to the Adjustment event does a similar thing to what you're doing with Pan/Crop in your pics, you'll have to use the Parent - Track Motion to achieve the "edit and animate the text" you're after without the tracks below showing/doubling up, There's a couple of FXs like Crop that don't work on adjustment events & i believe they're working on that. @Dexcon muting the tracks below turns off what you see in the adjustment event,

When i say 'There's a couple of FXs like Crop that don't work on adjustment events'. here's BCC Transform & Ripple that leave/still show the orig text intact spoiling the effect, (I've offset the Adjustment event's track using Track Motion to show the intact text below)

Dexcon wrote on 10/17/2023, 7:57 AM

... muting the tracks below turns off what you see in the adjustment event,

I just tried it. Muting a title track (Titles & Text) that is below the adjustment event does not negate the adjustent event. But it does look like that the OP has 2 title tracks events (the blue and the spaghetti-like titles) - but it's not clear where they are because all the timeline images are 'media offline' which doesn't help at all. Maybe the desired title track is on the adjustment event - other than the OP, who knows?

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Former user wrote on 10/17/2023, 8:20 AM

... muting the tracks below turns off what you see in the adjustment event,

I just tried it. Muting a title track (Titles & Text) that is below the adjustment event does not negate the adjustent event.

@Dexcon Perhaps we're thinking of different things?

Dexcon wrote on 10/17/2023, 8:32 AM

@Former user  ... let's wait until the OP can clarify/advise on which tracks the two title FX are placed. Given that the current uploaded images show 'media off-line' for the displayed tracks, the titles maybe on other tracks not displayed thus far. A whole lot of 'media off-line' video events is next to useless in trying to accurately help the OP.

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Mobby wrote on 10/17/2023, 11:20 AM

 

First of all, thank you for the numerous responses. I hope it's okay if I don't respond to all messages because, in the end, @Gid has succinctly explained the problem in his video. I think, in the end, I'll probably still need to create an embedded timeline, even though it would be convenient if there were an option to turn off the bottom track under the adjustment event while still seeing the text over the adjustment event. This would be particularly helpful when working with multiple tracks. Fortunately, we still have the option of the embedded timeline. If I've misunderstood anything, please correct me, as I rely on Google Translate for translations, and I don't always understand everything perfectly... Sorry for that! :-D

john_dennis wrote on 10/17/2023, 11:35 AM

I'm not sure if Vegas in your language uses a different phrase to describe "nesting", but, in English, that's what it's called.

The overall concept is the same.

Robert Johnston wrote on 10/17/2023, 12:10 PM

@Mobby You can also mute the Event(s) by right clicking on the Title event and then selecting Switches > Mute. That will make that title disappear without affecting other tracks. You can't use the track mute button because that will mute all the child tracks.

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Former user wrote on 10/17/2023, 12:25 PM

You can also mute the Event(s) by right clicking on the Title event and then selecting Switches > Mute. That will make that title disappear without affecting other tracks. You can't use the track mute button because that will mute all the child tracks.

@Robert Johnston That's what i showed in my video above & doesn't fix the problem.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 10/17/2023, 8:02 PM

@Mobby Be nice if we could cut off the reach of an adjustment event by putting it in a track group... just tried it and it doesn't work. I think the Fanmade benchmark does something like what you're after using Adjustment Tracks as a compositing parent of tracks with titles and text.

Former user wrote on 10/18/2023, 12:09 AM

@Howard-Vigorita it does if it's in a Parent-Child group. which can then be track grouped

Mobby wrote on 10/18/2023, 9:15 AM

 

I believe my initial question was somewhat poorly formulated, and it may have confused a few people. Nonetheless, I want to express my gratitude for the numerous responses, and some did grasp what I actually meant. However, it appears that the only viable option here is to use the "embedded timeline" to achieve the desired results, even though I still wish that the "adjustment event" feature had the potential to be more versatile, allowing for the movement of items like PNGs and texts without them appearing twice. But well, this has already been thoroughly discussed here, and perhaps one of the important folks at Vegas might come across this. :-D

Former user wrote on 10/18/2023, 9:22 AM

I still wish that the "adjustment event" feature had the potential to be more versatile, allowing for the movement of items like PNGs and texts without them appearing twice.

@Mobby Hi, was the quote above the main request of this post?

VEGASDerek wrote on 10/18/2023, 11:34 AM

We will have several improvements to the Adjustment Events in the long-awaited update. We are stabilizing this update right now. Hopefully we will be able to release it in the first half of November.

Mobby wrote on 10/18/2023, 11:43 AM

Ich wünschte immer noch, dass die Funktion „Anpassungsereignis“ das Potenzial hätte, vielseitiger zu sein und das Verschieben von Elementen wie PNGs und Texten zu ermöglichen, ohne dass sie zweimal angezeigt werden.

@Mobby  Hallo, war das Zitat oben die Hauptanfrage dieses Beitrags?

Hello Gid, you've understood my issue and it seems you've also demonstrated it in your video. I believe you've come to the realization that there is no solution to this "problem."

With "I meant not a quote from me but my general initial post," I meant that in my original post, I didn't quite articulate it clearly and couldn't find the right words to precisely express what was bothering me. As I mentioned before, you summarized it well in your video, and if I've missed anything important, please quote it.

Robert Johnston wrote on 10/18/2023, 4:03 PM

@Former user @Mobby Could you have used an adjustment track and made that the parent, and then used the parent motion to pan and adjust size? That doesn't seem to cause the title to appear twice. Of course, I don't know what else is going on, so that may not work out either.

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Former user wrote on 10/18/2023, 6:31 PM

@Mobby Hi, no is the simple answer, adding Picture in Picture to the Adjustment event does a similar thing to what you're doing with Pan/Crop in your pics, you'll have to use the Parent - Track Motion to achieve the "edit and animate the text" you're after without the tracks below showing/doubling up,

@Robert Johnston Hi, yes using the Parent track motion was my conclusion in my first comment quoted above. @Mobby Thanks for confirming that 👍 I know English isn't your first language & translations can be a little unclear, I personally avoid nesting because it often fails in some way for me but if it works for you then good, Hopefully the improvements Vegas Derek mentions will fix this 👍

Mobby wrote on 10/18/2023, 7:23 PM

@Mobby  Hallo, nein ist die einfache Antwort. Das Hinzufügen von „Bild im Bild“ zum Anpassungsereignis bewirkt eine ähnliche Wirkung wie das, was Sie mit „Schwenken/Zuschneiden“ in Ihren Bildern tun. Sie müssen „Übergeordnete Bewegung – verfolgen“ verwenden, um dies zu erreichen „ Bearbeiten und animieren Sie den Text “, den Sie suchen, ohne dass die folgenden Spuren angezeigt/verdoppelt werden.

@Robert Johnston  Hallo, ja, die Verwendung der Parent-Track-Bewegung war meine Schlussfolgerung in meinem oben zitierten ersten Kommentar. @Mobby  Danke, dass du das bestätigt hast 👍 Ich weiß, dass Englisch nicht deine Muttersprache ist und Übersetzungen etwas unklar sein können. Ich persönlich vermeide das Verschachteln, weil es bei mir oft irgendwie fehlschlägt, aber wenn es bei dir funktioniert, dann gut, hoffentlich die Verbesserungen Vegas Derek erwähnte, dass das Problem behoben wird 👍

Exactly, I also face these issues with nesting, especially when there are multiple effects applied. You can only hope it doesn't crash. I still use it, of course, because I can't easily put together certain compositions without it. Despite the problems, I find it to be an incredibly valuable feature. I'm looking forward to the update.