V14 preview speed

Mindmatter wrote on 6/4/2017, 9:02 AM

Hi all, and hi all V13 users known from the ancient forum,

I've been off editing jobs for a while but new projects are coming up, probably some 4K, so I'm looking into upgrading to V14.

My biggest gripe has always been the terribly sluggish preview speed, and was wondering if that's been addressed in the meantime?

Thanks!

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xberk wrote on 6/4/2017, 1:00 PM

There is hope for smooth preview .. namely Nick Hope .. Read this: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-how-can-i-make-my-video-preview-play-smoothly-in-vegas-pro--104624/

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bravof wrote on 6/4/2017, 2:23 PM

Hi,

I on the contrary have always been impressed by vegas' preview speed. Instantaneous as far as I'm concerned.

I now edit 4K on a 5K monitor, use 4K preview and there's no lag whatsoever. I throw footage acceleration, color grading, contrast, brightness, transitions at it and it's instantaneous. Always been a strength of Vegas.

I hear my GPU working hard (the fan spins when it reaches 60% usage so I really do hear it) and it's a high end AMD Fury X GPU so that probably helps a lot. But I really have not done any tweaking so indeed Nick's post is probably a good place to start if you don't own a high end GPU.

Mindmatter wrote on 6/7/2017, 5:24 PM

Thanks for the anwers. Xberk, Nick's post had already been on the original Vegas forum, it's more of a generic guide.

Bravof, I cannot quite imagine what you describe to be true. Maybe v14 has improved - but preview speed has been Vegas's achilles tendon for ages. I even bought a new PC in 2016 , 6 core i7 with 32 gig of ram and a Radeon r9-280, no improvement. As soon as there is grading, and a couple of things like sharpness and contrast, preview starts dropping to 14 fps or lower. A multicam project is almost only possible in low preview resolutions. The old forum was full of that subject.

Now, for comparison, EDIUS 8 handles tiltles plus heavily FXed previews without a glitch, it's just mindblowingly faster. It even allows you to use multiple cards. I always loved and defended Vegas against all NLEs out there - but preview is frustratingly prehistoric, especially when you need to show clients low res previews to give them a bad idea of the end result.

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NickHope wrote on 6/7/2017, 9:07 PM
My biggest gripe has always been the terribly sluggish preview speed, and was wondering if that's been addressed in the meantime?

I found that playback rate hasn't changed significantly in the last 3 versions.

ritsmer wrote on 6/8/2017, 1:58 AM

Like braveof I am also very satisfied with the Vegas 14 pro B252 preview speed - also for 4K media and/or projects.

My machine has an i7 4930 (6 cores) CPU and a RX480 GPU with the very newest drivers.

The monitors are a 40" UHD plus a 32" 2500x1600 side monitor.

You may use the AMD system monitor tool to see what your CPU and GPU usages are - maybe there is a bottleneck ?

Get the tool here: http://support.amd.com/en-us/kb-articles/Pages/AMDSystemMonitor.aspx

When previewing 4K media in a 4K project with the usual Levels- and other color correction the CPU usage is about 30% and the GPU usage is about 50-60%. Preview is a a steady 25 Fps (progressive).

 

 

Peter_P wrote on 6/8/2017, 3:08 AM
When previewing 4K media in a 4K project with the usual Levels- and other color correction the CPU usage is about 30% and the GPU usage is about 50-60%. Preview is a a steady 25 Fps (progressive).

What about UHDp50 footage in a 3840x2160 project with Best(Full) Preview frame rates ?

 

ritsmer wrote on 6/8/2017, 3:36 AM

Sorry, can't say: I have only UHD 3840x2160 at 25p / 100 Mbps (from Sony RX10 III and RX100 IV).

3POINT wrote on 6/8/2017, 4:06 AM

Why do some people always expect a preview with the same quality as the final result?

OldSmoke wrote on 6/8/2017, 6:53 AM

I wonder if the OP is previewing in 8 or 32 bit.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

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OldSmoke wrote on 6/8/2017, 6:54 AM

Why do some people always expect a preview with the same quality as the final result?

It is a must to preview in the same quality as the final result, at least for me and especially for color grading.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

3POINT wrote on 6/8/2017, 8:57 AM

Why do some people always expect a preview with the same quality as the final result?

It is a must to preview in the same quality as the final result, at least for me and especially for color grading.


In full resolution and/or full framerate?

OldSmoke wrote on 6/8/2017, 10:23 AM

Why do some people always expect a preview with the same quality as the final result?

It is a must to preview in the same quality as the final result, at least for me and especially for color grading.


In full resolution and/or full framerate?

Both. If you only have 4K 30fps to work with, how much lower would you go with the preview frame rate?

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Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

3POINT wrote on 6/8/2017, 10:50 AM

For me it's sufficient to preview my 4K 25 Fps in FHD with preview set to full. With colorgrading and others filters, subtitles etc attached, I have smooth preview on an external FHD Monitor from my i7 workstation and also on my i7 laptop. Only for complex compositions, I make use of the prerender options Vegas offers. To my opinion, it's quite normal that a realtime preview cannot have the same quality as a rendered final product which rendering takes more time than realtime.