VEGAS Pro 15 Update 5 (build 361) - General Discussion

AxExel wrote on 6/13/2018, 6:51 PM

I have read a lot of posts on this thread so I thought I would try something on my system, I have a Dell Xps 15 i7 with a Intel and Nvidia card in it, the Nvidia card is a Gtx 960M and Intel is a HD 530.

I have a 4k video from my Mavic Pro its 8 mins long and has curves Fx, Neat video profile and a D-log lut on the time line.

I have tried a lot of different render options and everyone I have tried does not use either card to render the video, the CPU is at 99 to 100% and both cards never get higher than 15% use. Whats the point of having a good graphics card if the Vegas is not going to use it.?

Some of the render options I have tried do nothing, it goes through the render process but takes hours, but nothing happens when I watch the performance tab, its like the laptop is sitting at idle?.

Just rendering a avc file at the moment using the Intel card, the gpu is 4% my i7 CPU is at 100%, it looks like its going to take 75 mins to render.

If I try and use the so called fast Nvidia GTX960M card the same projects takes 3.5 hours to render, am I missing something with my setup?.

well you need to understand how a GPU encode. the GPU pass the video in a specific block in your card, thats why you are only seeing the GPU at 4% because you are not using all your GPU, just this special block. and usually the encoding block is the same in a $1000 card than in a $100 card so you are not going to see much faster render speed in a expensive card than in a cheap one, the diference is in the openGL, 3d games, memory etc.. etc...

In case of NVENC rendering That statement about the 100$ and 1000$ is false, why?

Because Nvidia had 2 generations of maxwells, 3 of the chips have different NVENC specs

The spreadsheet of NVENC from Nvidia

Maxwell generations

JoeAustin wrote on 6/15/2018, 10:42 AM

Anyone else having problems with dynamic ram preview on 361? It does nothing by either shift+b or choosing it from the menu. I've even tried allocating up to several gigs. Still does nothing.

Reyfox wrote on 6/15/2018, 10:51 AM

@JoeAustin no, Dynamic Ram Preview is working for me (I use shift+b) on my computer. Everything up to date. I did have to increase the amount of RAM for it to work from the default to 3GB. It still won't show an 8 second title fully....

ritsmer wrote on 6/15/2018, 11:19 AM

@JoeAustin no, Dynamic Ram Preview is working for me (I use shift+b) on my computer. Everything up to date. I did have to increase the amount of RAM for it to work from the default to 3GB. It still won't show an 8 second title fully....

DRP works well here too - but in an IMHO strange way: with 1 GB DRP I can make DRP for about 12 seconds (1920x1080 25Fps 8bit media and full HD preview) but as soon as the DRP includes a transition (made with Boris FX) or something like that it can only DPR about 6 seconds...

... it seems strange to me that the DRP time should be dependent on what is on the TimeLine as I would expect that the DRP function just resolved whatever was on the TimeLine and stored the resulting full frames from that in the PC's RAM...

... on the other side: doing a little math this way of making DRP would only give a little below 5 seconds for each GB (with the above preview data) - so it seems that the existing DRP function in some cases may make some compression - and that explains why the mileage can vary depending on how much the content of the TimeLine changes during the DRP time.

JoeAustin wrote on 6/15/2018, 12:18 PM

@JoeAustin no, Dynamic Ram Preview is working for me (I use shift+b) on my computer. Everything up to date. I did have to increase the amount of RAM for it to work from the default to 3GB. It still won't show an 8 second title fully....

Hmmm... must be my setup. Thanks for the update.

Reyfox wrote on 6/15/2018, 12:37 PM

@ritsmer thanks for reporting your experience with DRP. I would think 3GB would be more than enough for a Vegas title (slide right) in 4K, but I guess it isn't....

fr0sty wrote on 6/15/2018, 1:00 PM

@Reyfox Uncompressed 4K video is, at 8-bit YUV 4:2:2, 3840x2160 @ 24 fps = 380 MB/s, or 1.33 TB/h

Massive. I don't know if they do any sort of compression with dynamic RAM previews, but that's what they're starting with.

michael-cookson wrote on 6/15/2018, 3:56 PM

Dynamic ram preview on 361 is not working for me either, it tries to do it but crashes, If I increase my ram it will do about half of what is selected, then on playback it flashes the picture in the preview window.

I have tried 2 gig of ram and still no go..

Reyfox wrote on 6/15/2018, 4:05 PM

@Reyfox Uncompressed 4K video is, at 8-bit YUV 4:2:2, 3840x2160 @ 24 fps = 380 MB/s, or 1.33 TB/h

Massive. I don't know if they do any sort of compression with dynamic RAM previews, but that's what they're starting with.

What I was trying to use DRP for was a title from Vegas. It only had text and a slide motion. The timeline had 100Mbps UHD 4K 4:2:0. Maybe previewing the actual video would take more RAM, but an 8 second title would do only like 56 frames.

fr0sty wrote on 6/15/2018, 4:21 PM

Using the above, that would equal about 887MB worth of uncompressed video. Interesting that 3GB wasn't enough.

AVsupport wrote on 6/18/2018, 1:11 AM

for my part, I would prefer better, smarter 'smart rendering' on the timeline; seems like such a waste rendering to RAM only to throw it away so shortly after wards only to having to redo it every time.. /endRant

Reyfox wrote on 6/18/2018, 2:38 AM

@fr0sty, that is what I set the DRP to and it wasn't enough to render the entire animated title. Why it would not do it, is beyond my understanding. Oh, and titles do render really slow. Hardly any hardware resources used (GPU and CPU) during Render As or DRP.

@AVsupport, I have a consumer editor that does background rendering while you edit. It has been doing it for 7 years now.

AVsupport wrote on 6/18/2018, 3:23 AM

@AVsupport, I have a consumer editor that does background rendering while you edit. It has been doing it for 7 years now.

Thanks for mentioning that @Reyfox, nice to know I'm not just dreaming..;-) perhaps someone could Magix'ly make that happen in time to come ["The First Energy Saving Green Editor.."]..?

JoeAustin wrote on 6/18/2018, 7:43 AM

for my part, I would prefer better, smarter 'smart rendering' on the timeline; seems like such a waste rendering to RAM only to throw it away so shortly after wards only to having to redo it every time.. /endRant

Oh... that would be so awesome. Hopefully some day...

wwjd wrote on 6/18/2018, 9:22 AM

361 feedback: pretty decent experience. on my 32GB ram machine, editing RED 2k video upscaled to 4k timeline, at 32bit video (not 8bit) seem to run just the same as 8bit timeline. Slight difference in scopes, no difference visually, which is fine. DRP usually set to 8000 or 12000 worked fine, not sure how LONG it rendered with SHIFT B - maybe 10 seconds - but worked fine with no issues.

The ONLY crash I has was trying to final render in 32bit vid mode (I think), was going to take 7+ hours for a 2.5 minute short. Blew up around 10 percent. Dropped it back to 8bit, and lowered kbps, 4k render only took 2 hours, with no crashy.

john-rappl wrote on 6/20/2018, 10:35 AM

VP 15 and build 361 feedback.

Quick background – For the past 10 years I have recorded 15-20 live performances each year. These include local school concerts and theatre productions and some private events anywhere from 5 minutes to 2+ hours. I generally produce MP4 files for internet sharing and DVD and/or Blu-rays for larger shows or events. I have used Pinnacle (very buggy), Sony Movie Studio, Sony Vegas Pro 13 (used for years, still installed) and then VP 15 Pro for better GPU support.

VP 13 was very stable for me. I was able to do what I needed, it almost always did what I expected and rarely crashed. I deliver HD output but went to 4K recording for more room in post. I upgraded my hardware (from i7-3770/Intel GPU to i7-8700/Intel and AMD RX 560GPU) and upgraded to VP 15 because the marketing material claimed much better support for “modern” GPUs.

I was pretty disappointed with VP 15 (321). It did not use the AMD GPU for renders (no options) and if I enabled the Intel HD 630 with the AMD it was very unstable. It would crash every few minutes while editing – unusable. If I kept just the RX 560 enabled 321 was still unstable – crash every hour or so but I worked around it with many saves and restarting VP often. I had to disable the Intel GPU in BIOS and since it would not use the AMD GPU I got no “modern GPU” support - The main reason I upgraded!

I waited for the next upgrade. Thank You! With the 361 build I can enable both the Intel HD 630 and the AMD RX 560. I’m not sure of the details but during editing VP 15 uses both GPUs (both show utilization when monitoring) and things like the crop tool are much faster where they were laggy before. Interesting the crop tool does not lag in VP 13. Also I have render options now for both Intel QSV and AMD VCE and they work. On my setup the AMD RX 560 renders are slightly faster than Intel QSV (10-15%), files sizes are similar (same bitrates) and output quality seems about the same to me. My GPU renders take less than half the time of software renders and run much cooler. Typical utilization:

Software render (CPU-100%, Intel GPU-10%, AMD GPU-8%) Fans on full!

QSV render (CPU-25%, Intel GPU-35%, AMD GPU-15%) Cool, fans idle

AMD VCE render (CPU-26%, Intel GPU-30%, AMD GPU-85%) Cool, fans idle

I still have a few VP 15 issues:

VP 13 had support for AC3 Pro and that was dropped in VP 15 – Not Cool Magix!!! I have a work around using DVD Arch 5.2 to translate but why??? I’m sure it is a money/license issue but don’t take away existing features in new versions of your software! You really do charge enough for Vegas Pro!

This is a known issue but the Vegas Stabilize FX crashes on 4K video

The BCC effects are nice but very very very very slow! They are so slow I rarely use them.

ZigoH wrote on 6/22/2018, 9:05 AM

Hi, can anyone help me with the AMD VCE encoder settings? I would like to get the most quality possible despite the file size. i've being using main concept or magix avc mp4 with 135.000 as bitrate.

Here is some of the the work that i do:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQxHXKpH9FZyBk6YXLGQzj83HGmCtVprW

Thanks!

michael-cookson wrote on 6/24/2018, 5:12 AM

Anybody had this issue, I did a short 8 min 4k video, I used a lut filter and a curves filter on the time line. I then decided I needed to split the video to do a zoom in, did the zoom and then went to check the full video out.

To my amazement all the Fx's had gone from all the clips, it was just like I had just started, my zoom was still there but no Fx's, this is not right is it?. Never had this before even on older projects.

The fx's were added to the track and not individual clips.

fr0sty wrote on 6/24/2018, 8:03 PM

Are you sure you didn't accidentally click the bypass fx button?

Norbert wrote on 6/25/2018, 12:49 PM

Sometimes the program randomly crashes the GPU driver and I need to restart the PC because the monitor says no input. It happens when I randomly click all over the timeline to change the playhead's position to find a shot. This happened to me with more computers with the following GPUs: HD 7950, GTX 950M and MSI GTX 1080.

The same issue, the preview window crashes, it becomes white and the program is looking for the frame after the click then the screen goes black and I need to restart the PC.

Within this project I have FullHD X AVC L files. It crashed the same way on all of my PCs.

michael-cookson wrote on 6/25/2018, 1:12 PM

@fr0sty Are you sure you didn't accidentally click the bypass fx button?

Yes sure it wasn't that, as soon as I closed the properties box from doing the zoom I could tell the preview image had changed and gone back to original footage.

I am sure I have had this before , but when it happened I was not sure if I had done the lut as it was only one fx.

digilyd wrote on 6/26/2018, 2:18 AM

All fine and well, .361 already installed, put the 1050ti back into this box, these do not show up. Reinstalled .361 from the upgrade file, these do not show up. Reinstalled .361 via the downloadmanager, these do not show up. So I now have the graphics card to speed things up, I have the Vegas update to speed things up, and a full HD render task that really needs it all to work, but can't get no accelleration ..... and yes: it did get automatically enabled during the upgrade.

ZigoH wrote on 6/26/2018, 5:46 PM

@fr0sty Are you sure you didn't accidentally click the bypass fx button?

Yes sure it wasn't that, as soon as I closed the properties box from doing the zoom I could tell the preview image had changed and gone back to original footage.

I am sure I have had this before , but when it happened I was not sure if I had done the lut as it was only one fx.

Which lut plugin were you using?

digilyd wrote on 6/26/2018, 9:23 PM

All fine and well, .361 already installed, put the 1050ti back into this box, these do not show up. Reinstalled .361 from the upgrade file, these do not show up. Reinstalled .361 via the downloadmanager, these do not show up. So I now have the graphics card to speed things up, I have the Vegas update to speed things up, and a full HD render task that really needs it all to work, but can't get no accelleration ..... and yes: it did get automatically enabled during the upgrade.

And this is the render speed I get with a computer with a windows performance index of 7.2 for everything but disk at 6.2 rendering 1280 x 720 from a 1920 x 1080 file because I zoom in, there is too much landscape in the original video:

What can I do to get V15 .361 to actually use the 1050ti?