VEGAS Pro 15 Update 5 (build 361) - General Discussion

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lucasryw wrote on 8/1/2018, 1:14 PM

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I think thatā€™s your issue. Now go into your Project Setting and Match the Settings to your Media. Itā€™s what I do. Top Righthand Corner of the Project Settings Menu.

Report back.

that's exactly what I did when it asked me. But I just did what you said, still crashing.

OldSmoke wrote on 8/1/2018, 1:39 PM

In think itā€™s your workflow. If I interpret what i see in the video then it seems you like to move event darling on the timeline or even delete them while playback is on? If so, that is not a good idea and it does make Vegas unstable.

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Grazie wrote on 8/1/2018, 1:46 PM

@OldSmokeĀ Yeah, thatā€™ll put stress on everything. Now we know that Project match Media, Iā€™d go with a DI.

Grazie

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JoeAustin wrote on 8/1/2018, 3:20 PM

please take a look at this:

Vegas is likely to crash if you move or trim clips during playback. Pretty much a known flaw.

ian-Southam wrote on 8/1/2018, 4:33 PM

@OldSmoke

Any preliminary observations about preview performance improvements with VCE in Vegas 15?


VCE like NVENC does not improve preview performance, it is primarily for rendering.

NVENC is still a mess - at least for me. I had to revert to the older Mainconcept encoder as using NVENC causes random white flashing of some of my footage. I've attached a sample without audio that shows what I'm referring to.

I will admit - this update to Vegas 15 seems about as solid as I've EVER experienced. Still laggy on playback when using some intensive FX applied (Neat Video, motion title graphics, etc), but this release is really a breath of fresh air and has me excited about editing again. I was really dreading rebuilding the projects I had done in Vegas over to Premiere Pro CS6 - which I believe I may finally be able to retire.

My deepest gratitude and thanks to all the programmers who worked on this update!

Seems very similar to what I am experiencing. I suspect hardware incompatibilities to be honest.

Installed the update, rerendered some stuff I was not happy with, there is an improvement although, I still get the random flashes. Is multi-camera using NewBlue Chroma screen so, to be fair heavy on any machine.

I like where you guys are taking the product, I have not lost faith but, it is all a little frustrating at the moment.

RogerS wrote on 8/2/2018, 3:37 AM

I also got some severe glitching here (GTX 1060) - both when previewing and also when rendering - but was able to make it disappear totally by setting "GPU acceleration of video processing" to Off.

Having an i7 8700K processor previewing and rendering seem to run more or less just as fast after this. Only bad thing was the hour wasted for checking what plugin or other setting might make the glitching before I found the usual culprit - the GPU acceleration. Looking back this "feature" actually has cost innumerable hours since the beginning where i.e. some FX'es gave different results depending on GPU accell. or not.

My preview is mostly okay but rendering is not useable. For me it hangs with Intel QSV, so my only option is GPU off. That does work perfectly. A semi-complex 5 minute video renders in 7 min. with my 1050 enabled, but 21 with the CPU only (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz), so for me there is a big penalty on longer projects.

JoeAustin wrote on 8/2/2018, 7:56 AM

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My preview is mostly okay but rendering is not useable. For me it hangs with Intel QSV, so my only option is GPU off. That does work perfectly. A semi-complex 5 minute video renders in 7 min. with my 1050 enabled, but 21 with the CPU only (Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz), so for me there is a big penalty on longer projects.

Same with my Radeon R380 card. Renders have periodic random horizontal lines. Think lack of acceleration is frustrating on a short video? Try a three hour multi camera concert video. I upgraded to 15 largely for the promised speed increase. I feel this should be fixed on this version before a new one is released.

RogerS wrote on 8/2/2018, 8:13 AM

People with errors here, please do file support tickets with Magix. I'm not sure they are aware of the extent of problems with acceleration.

AVsupport wrote on 8/2/2018, 8:31 AM

I'm using Coffee Lake CPU and since I disabled iGPU in Bios most of my problems disappeared. Running everything of the 1060/6...just sayin', give it a try!

[I believe VP has some memory access / sharing issues between CPU&GPU and since there's old OpenCL code used this might crash with more modern Windows features etc..until this gets fixed, simple is safe]

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my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

JoeAustin wrote on 8/2/2018, 11:36 AM

Well crap. I had originally attributed these random white line dropouts to using GPU rendering. I have now managed to duplicate this problem even with Sony MXF, which I use quite a lot as an intermediate. This is completely new (for me) to 361. A sample clip is attached. Yes, I have reported it to Magix, but would love to know if anyone has a suggestion or has experienced this.

Kinvermark wrote on 8/2/2018, 12:42 PM

@JoeAustin

What are we looking for in your sample video? I don't see "white line dropouts", but I do see severe panning judder.

Grazie wrote on 8/2/2018, 12:57 PM

@Kinvermark Not just me then?

Grazie

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ZigoH wrote on 8/2/2018, 1:04 PM

@GrazieĀ  not just you. i canĀ“t see the white dropouts either.

@JoeAustinĀ Perhaps its a driver issue, or a codec issue. Try playing in on VLC to discard a faulty codec installation.

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JoeAustin wrote on 8/2/2018, 1:06 PM

When I watch the video here, I don't see them. When I play the file, they occur the same every time at about 5 to 6 seconds. Maybe video scaling is hiding them? Did either of you download the file? Or did you play it online?

ZigoH wrote on 8/2/2018, 1:14 PM

@JoeAustin i've downloaded it and it plays fine, can you share the original rendered file? I mean through mega, zippy share or any other.

JoeAustin wrote on 8/2/2018, 1:16 PM

I've managed to capture a frame that shows it well. Right over the word "The"

JoeAustin wrote on 8/2/2018, 1:19 PM

@JoeAustin i've downloaded it and it plays fine, can you share the original rendered file? I mean through mega, zippy share or any other.

That'll be a challenge. It's a 90GB MXF file.

JoeAustin wrote on 8/2/2018, 1:30 PM

@GrazieĀ  not just you. i canĀ“t see the white dropouts either.

@JoeAustinĀ Perhaps its a driver issue, or a codec issue. Try playing in on VLC to discard a faulty codec installatio

Good suggestion. In VLC, you can't see the effect. Thought it might be deinterlacing, but turned that off. In both WMP and Potplayer, it's evident and repeatable.

ZigoH wrote on 8/2/2018, 1:33 PM

@JoeAustinĀ i can not find those glitches . Here are the result of my test, i've located the exact same frame that you uploaded but the glitches are not there. So it should be something wrong with your computer's videocard, Driver, Codec or Media Player.

ZigoH wrote on 8/2/2018, 1:38 PM

@GrazieĀ  not just you. i canĀ“t see the white dropouts either.

@JoeAustinĀ Perhaps its a driver issue, or a codec issue. Try playing in on VLC to discard a faulty codec installatio

Good suggestion. In VLC, you can't see the effect. Thought it might be deinterlacing, but turned that off. In both WMP and Potplayer, it's evident and repeatable.

VLC use its own internal codec, any other player use the codecs installed on the system. So it's very likely to be a codec related issue.

JoeAustin wrote on 8/2/2018, 1:57 PM

@JoeAustinĀ i can not find those glitches . Here are the result of my test, i've located the exact same frame that you uploaded but the glitches are not there. So it should be something wrong with your computer's videocard, Driver, Codec or Media Player.

It would certainly appear to be the case. It's odd that it's repeatable. I've never encountered this until recently. Thank you for taking a look.

JoeAustin wrote on 8/2/2018, 2:01 PM

ZigoH was on the right track. It's a problem with the Radeon card, or driver. I confirmed this by connecting a display to the motherboard video port. Sure enough, no dropout. Have the latest drivers for the R9 380, so maybe I'll try removing and reinstalling them. Hopefully it's not a hardware problem.

jojohuan wrote on 8/3/2018, 1:05 AM

Hi OldSmoke, I sent you a PM. Will you check, please?šŸ˜°

OldSmoke wrote on 8/3/2018, 7:46 AM

Hi OldSmoke, I sent you a PM. Will you check, please?šŸ˜°

I did not receive it.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)