VEGAS Pro 15 Update 5 (build 361) - General Discussion

VEGAS_CommunityManager wrote on 5/25/2018, 5:16 AM

VEGAS Pro 15 Update 5 (build 361) has been released. Please give us your feedback in this thread.

If you already have build 361 or earlier installed, there is no need to uninstall it. The build 361 will overwrite your installation and retain your settings. Your computer will need to be online for activation after the update.

If you are installing VEGAS Pro 15 for the first time, it is generally better to install using a VEGAS Pro download manager. See here for details & links.

Official announcement with Patch Notes

VEGAS Pro 15 (build 361) installer

Previous general discussion thread

And don't forget: Praise the developers! 🎉

Comments

ritsmer wrote on 5/25/2018, 7:34 AM

Thank you for the new Vegas 15 update with a nice list of new features and - IMHO - even better: so many bug fixes.

Looking so much forward to see if the update has solved the crazy "Vegas Stopped Working" issue that started after the first update of Vegas 14 - and which I have had many hundreds of times - and also reported hundreds of times - and which even happens in an totally "empty" Vegas without a project or media loaded....

Downloading right now ... and hoping to be able to get some work done.

EDIT: Have edited for nearly 2 full days now - and have (so far, at least) not seen the "Vegas Stopped Working" one single time. After hundreds of VSW's since the first update to Vegas 14 it is a fantastic feeling to be able to edit without a two digit crashes every day.

I have even restarted an old tricky project with several of DJI clips, layers of long 4 ms PNG sequences (= 25Fps), some 4K media, normal 1080p - all mixed together by some track motion and color keying in the same project... and Vegas 15 b361 just behaves 100%.

What a fantastic relief to be able to get some editing work done without having to save and save and crash and save and crash and save and ...

All this said I am a little sorry to observe that such a severe error has been allowed to "survive" through nearly 2 full Vegas versions life times (from V14 1. update and until now) - and for possible future similar cases (hope not to see them) I would like to ask the Vegas support/development team why there has been no - absolutely none - reaction to all these hundreds of sent VSW-messages and even 1 or 2 error reportings ? (I am not the only user who experienced and reported these cases) ...

... AND more urgent: what will be/has been done to improve the connection from VSW-reportings to attention and possible action from the departments for support/development ??

SphinxRa40 wrote on 5/25/2018, 8:22 AM

Thank you for the update, but still the 'identify Displays' is wrong, I have 3 monitors, windows Display Settings and Radeon settings both identify 1,2,3 correctly (1=main left - 2=right - 3=Above monitor 2) and Vegas see them as 2,1,3, this causes a lot of annoying preview flickering or even freezes when previewing to fast when using the second monitor, AE is ok also :/

Former users wrote on 5/25/2018, 9:41 AM

Fr0stys highlights2 project.  I tested with the new VP15 361 update and it renders out to my laptop and also my PC, with S04 enabled, it previously didn’t render to my PC unless S04 ... dll was disabled.

See previous thread ...

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-15-update-4-build-321-general-discussion--110655/?page=5#ca684462

Former users wrote on 5/25/2018, 10:10 AM

Confused ...

Your first item below mentions hevc hardware support for AMD VCE. I noticed a new render template section “Magix HEVC/AAC MP4”, maybe it was there previously and I missed it. I have only Nvidia card and I can now encode HEVC with hardware acceleration.

Added support for AMD VCE hardware acceleration for encoding 8-bit, progressive HEVC files and H264 AVC/AAC files”

Maybe this is a new compound render template section for AMD and Nvidia hevc?

Using this new? template section I noticed that the first time I rendered with my laptop it rendered to non hevc, although hevc selected, I tested on PC, rendered aok to hevc, tested again on laptop and this time aok to hevc, maybe I slipped up the first time. (its Intel Hevc implementation).

I noticed that there was no file size reduction with the hevc render, same size as h264. I used the Red Car project to test. Update: of course there wasn’t since I used the same data rate😩

Thanks for all the fixes and VCE and other features.

 

OldSmoke wrote on 5/25/2018, 10:41 AM

I wish I could test this new build especially since it claims to have VEC support but unfortunately my trial has expired and MAGIX is unwilling to extend or renew it for me.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Grazie wrote on 5/25/2018, 10:53 AM

There is something more efficient with the Core Engine (if that's what its called?). I have a moderately complex Project that was loading slowly and closing tardily and taking up at least 15% more memory than now. Also now when I watch Task Manager and I'm playing the timeline, the Memory usage is actually reducing - never seen that before now. Previously it would Plateau and then STICK there.

Please tell me that there has been some clever efficiencies made in the actual processing? If so, please say a big thank you to the Engineers.

Grazie

PC 7 64-bit 16gb * Intel® Core™i7-2600k Quad Core 3.40GHz * 2GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX 560 Ti

PC 10 64-bit 64gb * Intel® Core™i9 - 3.3GHz * 40Gb NVIDIA  GeForce RTX 2070

Cameras: Canon XF300 + PowerShot SX60HS Bridge

Nick Hope wrote on 5/25/2018, 11:29 AM

Confused ...

Your first item below mentions hevc hardware support for AMD VCE. I noticed a new render template section “Magix HEVC/AAC MP4”, maybe it was there previously and I missed it. I have only Nvidia card and I can now encode HEVC with hardware acceleration...

@Former users or anyone else, any chance of a screen grab of the options in that new MAGIX HEVC/AAC MP4 section? I don't have it, presumably because I don't have a compatible GPU.

Former users wrote on 5/25/2018, 11:52 AM

Nick Hope wrote on 5/25/2018, 11:58 AM

Thank you @Former users. What other options are under "Encode mode"?

Former users wrote on 5/25/2018, 12:11 PM

NV Encoder only.

fr0sty wrote on 5/25/2018, 1:16 PM

That is a nice, long list of bugs squashed. Even without the new features this was a great update... I see 2 of the biggest thorns in my side have been removed (hopefully, haven't tested yet, but I'm confident you got em').

Now let's focus on the future! Curious to know what you have in store. Any chance of you dropping some feature hints to look forward to in 16?

 

Edit: I ran some tests... everything seems to be fixed as far as stability goes, though I did have Vegas hang on me a time or two the first few times I tried to click "Render" from the File menu. Since then it doesn't do that, however.

 

Thank you for giving me some rendering stability! I can now finally use so4compoundplug.dll and get the added compatibility and performance benefits of it. This improves my workflow a lot. Kudos, devs.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/25/2018, 3:13 PM

Reviewing the number of bugs addressed, I'm wondering if I can now safely invest in the upgrade to Vegas 15 without having buyers remorse...

Shinra Bansho wrote on 5/25/2018, 3:34 PM

Hi OldSmoke, I sent you a PM. Will you check, please?

PC: GIGABYTE GA-Z170N-WiFi, 32GB RAM, i7 6770K, SanDisk 480GB SSD, Seagate 4TB HDD 7200 rpm, Radeon Sapphire Nitro+ RX 580 8GB, Windows 10 Pro Version 1803 (OS Build 17134.829)

Cameras: Panasonic GH4, GH5, Sony PXW-Z90, FDR-AX100, Panasonic WX970(M)

fifonik wrote on 5/25/2018, 7:36 PM

I have 'Mainconcept AVC' and 'AMD VCE' encoder mode options in Magix AVC encoder and 'AMD VCE' encoder mode option in Magix HEVC.

Tried Magix AVC in 'AMD VCE' and it works. Not really interested in this mode as quality is not good for my OCD.

P.S. I have AMD CPU & discrete GPU

Camcorder: Panasonic X920

Desktop: MB: MSI B450M MORTAR TITANIUM, CPU: AMD Ryzen 3700X, RAM: G'Skill 16 GB DDR4 3200, Graphics card: MSI RX470 4GB, SSD: Samsung 850 EVO SATA 250MB, HDDs: Seagate & Toshiba 2TB, OS: Windows 10 64-bit 1903

NLE: Vegas Pro [Edit] 11, 12, 13, 15, 17

OldSmoke wrote on 5/25/2018, 8:18 PM

Hi OldSmoke, I sent you a PM. Will you check, please?


@Shinra Bansho Thank you again!

I tested it with the old but still very useful "red car" project from the VP11 days and can report that the project renders to 1080 30p with AMD VCE in 17sec on my system.

The same project converted to 4K is still a "disaster" with sections falling below 1fps in preview. I will test the render time soon and edit this post.

Edit:

The 4K project renders in 59sec. with AMD VCE. This significant improvement over the CPU only time of 2min. 22sec.

Last changed by OldSmoke on 5/25/2018, 9:04 PM, changed a total of 2 times.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Kinvermark wrote on 5/25/2018, 8:58 PM

@OldSmoke

Any preliminary observations about preview performance improvements with VCE in Vegas 15?

OldSmoke wrote on 5/25/2018, 9:03 PM

@OldSmoke

Any preliminary observations about preview performance improvements with VCE in Vegas 15?


VCE like NVENC does not improve preview performance, it is primarily for rendering.

Last changed by OldSmoke on 5/25/2018, 9:04 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/25/2018, 9:23 PM

@OldSmoke

Any preliminary observations about preview performance improvements with VCE in Vegas 15?


VCE like NVENC does not improve preview performance, it is primarily for rendering.

NVENC is still a mess - at least for me. I had to revert to the older Mainconcept encoder as using NVENC causes random white flashing of some of my footage. I've attached a sample without audio that shows what I'm referring to.

I will admit - this update to Vegas 15 seems about as solid as I've EVER experienced. Still laggy on playback when using some intensive FX applied (Neat Video, motion title graphics, etc), but this release is really a breath of fresh air and has me excited about editing again. I was really dreading rebuilding the projects I had done in Vegas over to Premiere Pro CS6 - which I believe I may finally be able to retire.

My deepest gratitude and thanks to all the programmers who worked on this update!

OldSmoke wrote on 5/25/2018, 9:31 PM

@OldSmoke

Any preliminary observations about preview performance improvements with VCE in Vegas 15?


VCE like NVENC does not improve preview performance, it is primarily for rendering.

NVENC is still a mess - at least for me. I had to revert to the older Mainconcept encoder as using NVENC causes random white flashing of some of my footage. I've attached a sample without audio that shows what I'm referring to.


Which GPU is that?

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

GJeffrey wrote on 5/25/2018, 10:45 PM

There are some issues with the new HEVC Nvenc encoder set up windows.

1. Selecting CBR but the CBR radio button is greyed out.

2. Selecting CQP but no way to adjust it.

I rendered a 9min HD project and don't have Cliff's problem. (using GTX1070ti, driver 391.24)

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/25/2018, 11:50 PM

@OldSmoke

Any preliminary observations about preview performance improvements with VCE in Vegas 15?


VCE like NVENC does not improve preview performance, it is primarily for rendering.

NVENC is still a mess - at least for me. I had to revert to the older Mainconcept encoder as using NVENC causes random white flashing of some of my footage. I've attached a sample without audio that shows what I'm referring to.


Which GPU is that?

GTX-660ti 2GB card (I know - it's old... hence my PM to you about AMD cards) - using nVidia 376.33 drivers

liork wrote on 5/26/2018, 4:44 AM

Are you having these problems with 1080 or 4K rendering?

Reyfox wrote on 5/26/2018, 4:56 AM

Impressive!!! Using the AMD VCE HEVC export, now my graphics card is being used at 100%!!! CPU 75% GREAT!! Really FAST exporting now!

Also, the huge memory that was being used... I had a project that I edited in the previous build (4K with color correction and simple motion title along with default cross dissolves) that was a little over 4 minutes long. Memory usage was over 9.5GB. Now... 4-5GB depending on what I am doing.

Right now, big smile on my face!

KUDOS to the dev team!

jetdv wrote on 5/26/2018, 7:35 AM

My install doesn't have the Magix HEVC render option...