Vegas Pro 16 Audio Drift problem

Sean-Robinson wrote on 12/16/2018, 12:28 PM

I have both Vegas Pro 16 and Movie Studio 14.0... Short story, I like to upload game play videos to You Tube as a hobby. Recently I picked up Vegas Pro 16 and been having what I like to call "Audio D-Sync" with videos where the a scene is playing however at certain parts throughout the video the Audio does not match up with whats going on in the video. Typically I get a 1 - 3 second delay. From doing a little research I believe the correct term is called "Drift" where the audio drifts in and out... commonly seen in longer videos.

The issue is, I get "Drift" in Vegas Pro 16 but not in Movie Studio 14.0 and it boggles my mind. Especially Since I spent a butt load of money getting the "Pro Version"

Here is the Copy and paste from Pro 16 of the

Streams Properties
Video: 03:55:37.189, 55.748 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
Audio: 03:55:35.444, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AAC

Here is the Copy and paste from Movie Studio 14.0

Streams Properties

Video: 03:55:37.156, 55.748 fps progressive, 1920x1080x12, AVC
Audio: 03:55:38.689, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AAC

As you can see the Video and Audio dont match up. I've tried "Stretching" and "Compressing" to no avail.

Below is my System Specs & Builds of both programs.
CPU: Intel i7 8700k @ 5.0 ghz
RAM: 32GB
system type: 64 bit
GPU: Nvidia RTX 2080
Audio card: N/A
OS version: Windows 10 Pro (1809)

Vegas Pro 16 Build (307)

Movie Studio 14.0 Build (148)

Comments

j-v wrote on 12/16/2018, 12:43 PM

Before adding your files to Vegas convert the video to a constant framerate that comes nearest to your variable framerate or use OBS to capture the video with the desired settings

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Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
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Sean-Robinson wrote on 12/16/2018, 12:52 PM

Before adding your files to Vegas convert the video to a constant framerate that comes nearest to your variable framerate or use OBS to capture the video with the desired settings

How does one Convert the video to a Constant Frame rate? Also I've tried using OBS, Nvidia Shadowplay, Plays.TV, My El Gato HD60... All of which when played back as a raw file have no Audio Drift... But as soon as i launch it in Vegas Pro It has Horrible Drift.

j-v wrote on 12/16/2018, 12:58 PM

First I like have to know the exact MediaInfo of your sourcefile that gives the problems you descibed here. See here at 1

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

Sean-Robinson wrote on 12/16/2018, 1:10 PM

General
Complete name                            : E:\PlaysTV\ArmA III\2018_12_15_16_58_59-ses.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 17.8 GiB
Duration                                 : 3 h 55 min
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 10.8 Mb/s
Writing application                      : Lavf58.1.0

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, RefFrames               : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 3 h 55 min
Bit rate                                 : 10.6 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 55.748 FPS
Minimum frame rate                       : 0.308 FPS
Maximum frame rate                       : 252.101 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.092
Stream size                              : 17.5 GiB (98%)
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 3 h 55 min
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 196 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 331 MiB (2%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

Sean-Robinson wrote on 12/16/2018, 1:12 PM

General
  Name: 2018_12_15_16_58_59-ses.mp4
  Folder: E:\PlaysTV\ArmA III
  Type: AVC
  Size: 18.68 GB (19,132,016,787 bytes)
  Created: Saturday, December 15, 2018, 4:58:59 PM
  Modified: Saturday, December 15, 2018, 8:54:38 PM
  Accessed: Saturday, December 15, 2018, 8:54:38 PM
  Attributes: Archive

Streams
  Video: 03:55:37.189, 55.748 fps progressive, 1920x1080x32, AVC
  Audio: 03:55:35.444, 48,000 Hz, Stereo, AAC

Summary
  [TCFM]: 1

ACID information
  ACID chunk: no
  Stretch chunk: no
  Stretch list: no
  Stretch info2: no
  Beat markers: no
  Detected beats: no

Other metadata
  Regions/markers: no
  Command markers: no

Media manager
  Media tags: no

Plug-In
  Name: so4compoundplug.dll
  Folder: C:\Program Files\VEGAS\VEGAS Pro 16.0\FileIO Plug-Ins\so4compoundplug
  Format: AVC
  Version: Version 1.0 (Build 8532)
  Company: MAGIX Computer Products Intl. Co.

john_dennis wrote on 12/16/2018, 1:53 PM

" Frame rate mode                             : Variable
  Frame rate                                       : 55.748 FPS
  Minimum frame rate                         : 0.308 FPS
  Maximum frame rate                        : 252.101 FPS"

Variable Frame Rate video is a relatively new phenomenon for non linear editors to have to manage. After all, film, tape and digital video have had a constant frame rate for close to 100 years. Capture your video at a constant frame rate or convert your video for editing.

Look at this FAQ, especially number 6.

j-v wrote on 12/16/2018, 1:59 PM

Install for instance the much used Handbrake,

load your file(s) and render them with especially these remaining settings

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

john_dennis wrote on 12/16/2018, 3:02 PM

Here's a demo of the Happy Otter Import Assist used to rewrap variable frame rate iPad video for use in Vegas Pro.  

It's so slick that you certainly don't want to step in it.

Sorry, I don't have any VFR game capture, but the linked video was captured CFR in OBS from another machine on the network via RDP. I rarely load capture software on the machine I use for editing. 

Sean-Robinson wrote on 12/16/2018, 5:09 PM

Appreciate the responses I shall try Everything mentioned here :D
Still don't understand why I get the Audio Drift in Vegas Pro but not in Movie Studio though.

j-v wrote on 12/16/2018, 6:55 PM

You are using VMS 14, not the last as your VPro 16.
For VMS pl that is VMS 15 pl build 157.
Maybe the reason?

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver 566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

EricLNZ wrote on 12/16/2018, 6:55 PM

Appreciate the responses I shall try Everything mentioned here :D
Still don't understand why I get the Audio Drift in Vegas Pro but not in Movie Studio though.

The answers simple You are using Movie Studio 14 not the latest 15. MS14 doesn't have/use "so4compoundplug", which your Vegas Pro 16 is using. It was introduced to Movie Studio with 15.

EricLNZ wrote on 12/16/2018, 7:01 PM

Sean, I've taken the liberty of altering your title to this thread. It was somewhat unhelpful for anyone coming along later with the same problem and searching for answers.

Sean-Robinson wrote on 12/16/2018, 7:07 PM

You are using VMS 14, not the last as your VPro 16.
For VMS pl that is VMS 15 pl build 157.
Maybe the reason?

No. If you re-read the Original Post I Own both Movie Studio 14 and Vegas Pro 16... I get audio drift in Pro, I DO NOT get audio drift in Movie Studio.

 

Appreciate the responses I shall try Everything mentioned here :D
Still don't understand why I get the Audio Drift in Vegas Pro but not in Movie Studio though.

The answers simple You are using Movie Studio 14 not the latest 15. MS14 doesn't have/use "so4compoundplug", which your Vegas Pro 16 is using. It was introduced to Movie Studio with 15.

So the way to get around the issue EricLNZ is to change the "value" in Pro to False for this plugin?

*EDIT* Figured it out Thanks mate! the issue was the "so4compoundplug".... When set to True, It was creating the Audio Dsync / Drift. When set to False, Problem is resolved.

EricLNZ wrote on 12/16/2018, 7:26 PM

Great, resolved at last. Reading back through the posts we perhaps should have picked this up earlier as so4compoundplug has caused a few frustrations.