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Seb-o wrote on 10/6/2022, 4:33 PM


Where's the Love?

Just show your receipts for an obvious mixup. I have dealt with Magix for 20 years, and never had a reasonable offer to fix a problem denied. What was the "bundle" you refer to, just btw?

RogerS wrote on 10/6/2022, 5:02 PM

Contact sales?

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VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Mindmatter wrote on 10/7/2022, 5:06 AM

I actually never get any of those email offers. I checked both my account email settings at Magix as well as my spam filters. By what I understand, those offers are considerably cheaper than the official upgrade price on their site?

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dirk-g wrote on 10/8/2022, 4:27 AM

why we aren't seeing those improvements yet... there simply hasn't been time to implement them. VEGAS had to spend years playing catch up after Sony left VEGAS to die, and they're only just now reaching the point where they can back off a bit and work on the foundation itself.

Magix has been doing video software for as long as Vegas has been a product. Just how long are we to treat them with kid gloves before users get better performance? Magix has had the Vegas for 6 years. Stop blaming everything on Sony. And as long as they keep charging people for the software, then users are more than entitled to gripe about it.

DasFragezeichen wrote on 10/8/2022, 12:37 PM

Magix has been doing video software for as long as Vegas has been a product. Just how long are we to treat them with kid gloves before users get better performance? Magix has had the Vegas for 6 years. Stop blaming everything on Sony. And as long as they keep charging people for the software, then users are more than entitled to gripe about it.

Thanks for that. Finally someone speak clear words.

Alyn99 wrote on 10/10/2022, 8:01 PM

Honest thoughts on Moving Forward with Vegas?

I've edited on nearly everything NLE developed since Lightworks in the 90s and would never bad mouth Vegas as it has served me well for various purposes. But I'm moving on to a new project that will involve a lot of 4k 10 bit 4.2.2 Intra H.264 footage that will be shot at a roughly 400mbit data rate. I need to buy all new hardware to handle the job so that's a given but I still have to decide on an NLE for this. I'm seeing a lot of good things regarding Resolve and 4k 10 bit and it seems now Vegas 19 and even Vegas 20 is not up to the task. All the new Vegas collaborative features, text to speech and the other bells and whistles mean jack all to me, in fact it's been kind of a turn off. I just want stable playback and preview with the least amount of effort possible. I would love to avoid spending half my edit time making proxies. So moving forward, do you think Vegas will ever catch up to other NLEs like Resolve when it comes to the higher data rate 4k 10 bit footage and beyond? Or is it time to move on? My upgrade price to Vegas 20 is $199 and Resolve Studio is only $295 so money there isn't the issue.

What say you folks working in 4k 10 bit?

fr0sty wrote on 10/10/2022, 8:32 PM

There's work being done to speed up VEGAS' decoding/rendering, but I can't say when we'll see it released. I just use proxies for the time being, I shoot 4K 10 bit 4:2:2 AVC exclusively. I'd say you'll spend less time proxying the project than you would learning how to use an entirely different app that does pretty much everything differently, and less efficiently in many cases. Also, while Resolve can do a stream or two smoothly, you aren't going to get smooth decoding using multiple cameras at once... which is why Resolve just got a proxy system of its own.

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RogerS wrote on 10/10/2022, 8:45 PM

For decoding do you need it now? If so use whatever software gets the job done today. Otherwise you can get by with even older hardware using proxies.

Speech to text (semi-automated captions) are very important for accessibility and when you have a global audience. Having this built into Vegas is handy and I look forward to workflow improvements.

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

fr0sty wrote on 10/10/2022, 8:59 PM

^Same for text to speech when you need narration in many different languages at the click of a button.

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ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Alyn99 wrote on 10/10/2022, 9:19 PM

Good to know. How accurate are the 'automated captions'? Has anyone checked how decent they are by having someone read the translation that actually speaks the language?

fr0sty wrote on 10/10/2022, 9:30 PM

I do know we have users here that speak multiple languages, and I have not yet heard any complaints about accuracy, both for speech to text and text to speech.

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AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Alyn99 wrote on 10/10/2022, 9:45 PM

Ok, will try it out.

fr0sty wrote on 10/10/2022, 9:54 PM

Keep in mind it is a paid service (I believe by Microsoft), so it is only available with a VEGAS 365 subscription. That also comes with a subscription to a stock audio and video library with millions of clips in it, and the online collaboration/cloud storage/phone video transfer stuff.

There's talk about ways that perpetual license owners can access it, but I have not heard any concrete plans yet. Hopefully that changes, as I see it opening up a lot more income opportunities for them if they do.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Mohammed_Anis wrote on 10/10/2022, 11:45 PM

Keep in mind it is a paid service (I believe by Microsoft), so it is only available with a VEGAS 365 subscription. That also comes with a subscription to a stock audio and video library with millions of clips in it, and the online collaboration/cloud storage/phone video transfer stuff.

There's talk about ways that perpetual license owners can access it, but I have not heard any concrete plans yet. Hopefully that changes, as I see it opening up a lot more income opportunities for them if they do.

For arabic, it does a decent job relative to other solutions in the market.

This is to say, it'll take a few more years before we an get "OK" one. Right to left languages, semitic ones especially, can be really complicated, since they follow unflinching rules where English is more free flowing. No developer's fault.

Machine learning is probably going to get better at this, assuming we teach it nuances.


 

Alyn99 wrote on 10/11/2022, 11:03 AM

This all sounds very promising.

Alyn99 wrote on 10/13/2022, 1:54 PM

Bit the bullet and did the upgrade from my Vegas Pro 19 to Vegas Edit 20 (didn't need the extra stuff anymore in the Pro package). At $119 it was a no brainer. To my surprise it is much snappier on my old edit laptop (will be upgrading soon). The files load quicker and I can play my 150mbs Intra 24 fps 1080P footage on the timeline at Preview-Half speeds without a stutter. This is on an ancient HD4000 Windows 10 laptop setup! Can only imagine how this will perform with my next i9/ RTX 3090i workstation. I look forward to 4k 10 bit decode on the fly capabilities and hopefully that will become a reality in future upgrades. For now, Vegas remains a contender. I've never loved the look of the interface but it is efficient and it works. The new white balance, extra grading features, VST3 plugin support and extra snappiness was more than worth the $119 upgrade.

fr0sty wrote on 10/13/2022, 3:24 PM

Many people are going to be really happy with this next update. It's likely coming very soon.

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AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

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Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

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ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

baksideDisaster_Flicks wrote on 10/14/2022, 1:13 PM

Many people are going to be really happy with this next update. It's likely coming very soon.

I love your optimism, but I have serious doubts considering I see massive regressions in quality on updates routinely. If they fix this one, I'll be over the moon as I can't even use Vegas 20 right now and I'm paying for it with my Vegas 365 sub, still sitting on V19 550 since it's the build prior to this bug being introduced..
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-19-crashing-since-upgrading-to-build-643--136130/

VEGASDerek wrote on 10/14/2022, 1:36 PM

Many people are going to be really happy with this next update. It's likely coming very soon.

I love your optimism, but I have serious doubts considering I see massive regressions in quality on updates routinely. If they fix this one, I'll be over the moon as I can't even use Vegas 20 right now and I'm paying for it with my Vegas 365 sub, still sitting on V19 550 since it's the build prior to this bug being introduced..
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-19-crashing-since-upgrading-to-build-643--136130/

I sincerely hope this upcoming update is far more stable for most of our users. We have spent a great deal of time to ensure the number of regressions for this update are limited. It is almost unheard of for us to have waited over two months before releasing the first update for a new version. The beta testers know the level of caution and detail we have been putting into this update. Will it be perfect? No, but we feel very confident about this update. We are making a very strong effort to correct some of shortfalls of the VEGAS Pro 19 life cycle where many updates were released before they were probably ready.

DasFragezeichen wrote on 10/14/2022, 3:14 PM

I also would be nice, if Vegas will be Part of the Update Service.

I mean: You fixed bug in Vegas 20 they are exist in Vegas 17, 18, 19 and dont fix it, because it's the old version. If I had buyed Vegas Pro 19 a few months ago and dont get bug fixed I would feel muck around.

So please integrate Vegas in Update Service or release bug fixes for actual and at least the previous version.

VEGASDerek wrote on 10/14/2022, 4:03 PM

We actually do hope the VEGAS Pro 20 is the last "numbered" version of VEGAS and that we will move to an update service type of model at some point next year. The reality is, we never intended to have a VEGAS Pro 20, but due to some complications with the marketing and sales aspects of switching to an update service model, the decision was made that we had to do a VEGAS Pro 20 release and complete it within about 2 months. This was a major u-turn for the engineering team since we had already changed the engineering model over to the new update service way of doing things (which explains way we had a significant number of new features in the VP 19 updates, and so few new features available for the VP 20 release).

RogerS wrote on 10/14/2022, 4:10 PM

That's good to hear and I think will do a lot to address buyer's remorse from getting a version shortly before a new one is released. Not having to justify each release with new features makes a lot of sense given how many you all added through updates during VP 19's life!

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

fr0sty wrote on 10/14/2022, 4:51 PM

I can say this is the most thoroughly tested update since I started beta testing with the team years ago, it has the most people testing it, and it has been going through the testing phase longer than any other update. This update has also had more builds released than any other update I've seen.

Kinvermark wrote on 10/14/2022, 6:03 PM

... last "numbered" version of VEGAS and that we will move to an update service type of model ...

I am not sure I understand the purpose of this. If a new numbered version is released annually, or the update rights for each version expire annually, does this not amount to the same thing?

...unless the idea is to be able to offer "one year free updates" from ANY point during the year at which a customer purchases a Vegas license/update? I guess that could work, although you will miss out of the marketing "bang" of a new version announcement.