Hi guys, i saw on the website Voukoder, he coming soon for Vegas Pro. I don't know when coming, magix work with the creator of plugin Voukoder.
Voukoder Vegas Pro coming out
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john_dennis
wrote on 11/22/2019, 1:42 AM
I have the same experience. This is the first time I've installed it.
fifonik
wrote on 11/22/2019, 5:18 AM
Holy moly... This is AWESOME!
P.S. beta5. No issues. Installed for the first time.
Steve_Rhoden
wrote on 11/22/2019, 8:33 AM
Try the new Connector for those having issues !
https://github.com/Vouk/voukoder-connectors/blob/master/vegas/vegas-connector-0.4.3.msi
john_dennis
wrote on 11/22/2019, 11:25 AM
Thank you, Steve. The installation went to completion with the updated connector.
fifonik
wrote on 11/23/2019, 2:43 AM
Rendered project with 5.1 audio using AAC encoder.
There are 4 audio tracks in rendered audio, however something does not look right:
When I'm rendering using MeGUI, I'm getting the following:
P.S. Voukoder Core 2.3beta5, Vegas connector 0.4.3
Marco.
wrote on 11/23/2019, 3:05 AM
How does the base project (from which you rendered) look like?
fifonik
wrote on 11/23/2019, 3:15 AM
It looks like this:
Marco.
wrote on 11/23/2019, 3:25 AM
Yes, this looks like being an issue either in the Voukoder encoder or in the way the 5.1 audio data is served into Voukoder.
Vouk
wrote on 11/23/2019, 6:15 AM
I guess I fixed this issue. This is a test file I just exported it with Voukoder. Can you please confirm this is okay?
Vouk
wrote on 11/23/2019, 6:29 AM
Alright, try this one please: http://voukoder.org/surround.zip
Marco.
wrote on 11/23/2019, 7:34 AM
It's fine as 6-channel audio. But I think this is a different case as what @fifonik mentioned above which is 5.1 audio.
Edit:
Oops, this seems to be an issue of Vegas Pro 17 not reading this file as 5.1. It works fine in VP14.
Double-Edit:
Actually it is a problem of the so4compound.dll of the newer Vegas Pro versions. This DLL apparently doesn't read the 5.1 property. If you disable the So4compound Reader for AVC, the audio also works fine in VP17.
Vouk
wrote on 11/23/2019, 7:59 AM
Nice to hear this fix is working.
VEGAS Connector 0.4.4 has this fix implemented.
BruceUSA
wrote on 11/23/2019, 8:48 AM
Nice to hear this fix is working.
VEGAS Connector 0.4.4 has this fix implemented.
Will you implement the support of AMD VCE in the near future? Currently your program only support Navida Nvenc. Running CPU render only is painfully slow and the CPU usage is @ 35% usage where Magix H264 kick in at full throttle 100%.
fr0sty
wrote on 11/23/2019, 11:35 AM
10 bit HDR support would be awesome as well.
fifonik
wrote on 11/23/2019, 3:54 PM
@Vouk Many thanks, 0.4.4 fixed the issue.
@Marco. Actually, I do have new so4 disabled in VP17. When I re-enabled it I got 6 audio tracks for video encoded by voukoder or MeGUI. So yes, this is VP15/VP17 issue. Going to fill in bug report.
@BruceUSA I do see 264/265 AMD AMF in voukoder encoders list, that I think is the same as VCE with different name. When I select it, CPU usage dropped from ~95% to ~30%, GPU usage increased from <10% to ~30%, but encoding speed was the same (my GPU is much less powerful than yours). I have not checked quality, but I hope it cannot be worse than Magix's AVC VCE :)
Vouk
wrote on 11/23/2019, 4:27 PM
@fr0sty Voukoder can output 10bit and even 12bit as it has capabilities to work with floats internally. But currently VEGAS feeds only YUV I420 to it. I asked Magix to tell me how to get high bit depth data. Waiting for the instructions.
@BruceUSA @fifonik Correct. AMD AMF is VCE. Maybe with Voukoder you'll have quite some more options to configure. Besides that it'll do mostly the same as the VEGAS implementation.
BruceUSA
wrote on 11/23/2019, 4:45 PM
@BruceUSA @fifonik Correct. AMD AMF is VCE. Maybe with Voukoder you'll have quite some more options to configure. Besides that it'll do mostly the same as the VEGAS implementation.
Using Voukoder AMF encoder, quality is very bad and is not acceptable. I did a side by side comparison with Magix AMD VCE, is like day and night. Beside, AMD VCE in Magix template, CPU/GPU usage is much higher 70% + CPU 100% GPU and better quality. Voukoder AMF, very bad quality and slow, 60% CPU and 70-80% GPU.
When encoding in 8 bit CPU only, its it good and CPU usage is at full throttle. But if you try to encode 10 bit cpu only and the CPU usage is low 30-38%. For speed and quality, Magix AMD VCE win hand down for my specific PC combo.
fifonik
wrote on 11/23/2019, 6:09 PM
I rendered my guinee-pig encoder comparison project with x264 AMD AMF (VRB 20Mbps) and x264 CRF=21 and then compared results using MSU Video Quality Measuring Tool. Have not noticed any blocking issues as with Mainconcept/Magix AVC (all affected: CPU, NVENC, VCE, QSV). The quality is about the same as with my current workflow (frameserver + megui/x264).
@BruceUSA In my universe discussing encoders speed/quality makes any sense only when encoding options provided.
BruceUSA
wrote on 11/23/2019, 9:09 PM
I rendered my guinee-pig encoder comparison project with x264 AMD AMF (VRB 20Mbps) and x264 CRF=21 and then compared results using MSU Video Quality Measuring Tool. Have not noticed any blocking issues as with Mainconcept/Magix AVC (all affected: CPU, NVENC, VCE, QSV). The quality is about the same as with my current workflow (frameserver + megui/x264).
@BruceUSA In my universe discussing encoders speed/quality makes any sense only when encoding options provided.
OK. When I am using the default settings in Voukoder. The Bitrate is low, 15000. The file size is @ 25.1MB. After I changed the bitrate to 24,000 and profile change to high. The result render video look very nice. The file size is @ 188MB. The CPU/GPU usage shot up as well. 70%/100% solid to the end of the render.
Magix AMD VCE render file is @ 195MB. I am all happy at that. I am attach the screen shot of the Configure settings.
fifonik
wrote on 11/23/2019, 9:25 PM
@BruceUSA You should not compare different programs with their default settings as these defaults are very different. Probably I'm missing something, but changing bitrate from 15000 kbps to 24000 kbps should not increase the file size from 25 MB to 188 MB. Are you sure that when bitrate was set as 15000 the bitrate checkbox was ticked?
Also, you may want check video stream sizes (in Mediainfo) instead of file sizes as audio streams might be quite different (this is why I asked an option to exclude audio that I'd use for all my testings).
fifonik
wrote on 11/24/2019, 10:32 PM
I've done a few more testing with my guinee-pig project.
Rendered through Frameserver+Megui and Voukoder using Preset=Slow, Profile=High, CRF=18. Everything else -- default.
Voukoder 13 secs, Frameserver+Megui in 24 secs (based on MeGUI log)
MeGUI:
Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L5 Format settings : CABAC / 5 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, Reference frames : 5 frames Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 12 s 960 ms Bit rate : 27.8 Mb/s Maximum bit rate : 34.1 Mb/s Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.268 Stream size : 42.9 MiB (100%) Writing library : x264 core 157 r2935 545de2f Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=24 / lookahead_threads=4 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=500 / keyint_min=50 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 Encoded date : UTC 2019-11-25 04:23:16 Tagged date : UTC 2019-11-25 04:23:16 Codec configuration box : avcC
Voukoder:
Video ID : 1 Format : AVC Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec Format profile : High@L5 Format settings : CABAC / 5 Ref Frames Format settings, CABAC : Yes Format settings, Reference frames : 5 frames Codec ID : avc1 Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding Duration : 12 s 960 ms Bit rate : 29.1 Mb/s Width : 1 920 pixels Height : 1 080 pixels Display aspect ratio : 16:9 Frame rate mode : Constant Frame rate : 50.000 FPS Color space : YUV Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0 Bit depth : 8 bits Scan type : Progressive Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.281 Stream size : 45.0 MiB (100%) Writing library : x264 core 157 Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=24 / lookahead_threads=4 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=18.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00 Codec configuration box : avcC
Encoder is the same and and its parameters are almost the same (the only keyint is different and looks like the voukoder using project's framerate for this). So I do not really understand how it is so much faster.
UPDATE: did the similar render time comparison with longer project and render time was about the same: 27m vs 25m. Looks like in case MeGUI + frameserver there are some preparation/copy time. I really like the voukoder.