I can deal with some of the quirks intermittent crashes and, to a minimal extent, that screen capture doesn't work w/ my ATI Radeon graphics card but...

I'd drop Vegas in a heartbeat if it went to the subscription model!

@adimatis I see in your profile that you have a 1050 ti, this is a less performing NVIDEA videocard with regard to video editing.

First of all that series only has one (1x) NVENC unit for encoding, whereas the series 1060-1080ti series has 2 NVENC encoders. The newer, very fast (and expensive) RTX2080ti also only has 1 NVENC unit, but that one is gives better quality and is almost en par speed wise with 2 encoders of the previous generation.

Secondly 1050ti only has 4 GB, I have seen memory taken on my RTX 2080ti card with 4k editing going towards 11 GB in some cases. Being limited to 4 GB obviously is going to hamper performance.

On the decoding side, NVDEC (used on the timeline - if actived in Vegas - it is not enabled by default), there are some limitations of the 1050ti as well depending on the codec.

http://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-decode-gpu-support-matrix

@adimatis I see in your profile that you have a 1050 ti, this is a less performing NVIDEA videocard with regard to video editing.

First of all that series only has one (1x) NVENC unit for encoding, whereas the series 1060-1080ti series has 2 NVENC encoders. The newer, very fast (and expensive) RTX2080ti also only has 1 NVENC unit, but that one is gives better quality and is almost en par speed wise with 2 encoders of the previous generation.

Secondly 1050ti only has 4 GB, I have seen memory taken on my RTX 2080ti card with 4k editing going towards 11 GB in some cases. Being limited to 4 GB obviously is going to hamper performance.

On the decoding side, NVDEC (used on the timeline - if actived in Vegas - it is not enabled by default), there are some limitations of the 1050ti as well depending on the codec.

http://developer.nvidia.com/video-encode-decode-gpu-support-matrix

Do remember that before these newer generation cards existed people were using NVIDIA 1050, 1080 and earlier cards for real time 4K editing in a variety of applications. Vegas Pro 17 minimum specs are only for a NVIDIA GeForce 9XX series or higher with 4 GB. From Resolve 15 (I think) it called for 4GB as a minimum, which these cards met and performed acceptably well with.

Sure, if you add LUTs and effects the preview frame rate will be slower than newer cards. I don't think speed and stability are necessarily one and the same, and Vegas has room to improve in the stability department.

@bitman

Thank you, yes I am aware of the limitations of my system and you are correct. :). I do not expect terribly high-performance no no.

I am just saying that the SAME system somehow seems to be more sufficient when running other editor. That's my thing! I am not absurd, of course higher specs will work better - better do! - but all things being equal, seems Vegas is lacking that type of optimization. LE: I had to edit this in: FOR THE MOMENT. :)

@RogerS

Yeap, that's it.

Subscription is something I do not like. I would stay with the last version before subscription, and eye other editing software that fits my needs where I can own it and not pay forever to use it.

The NVENC doesn't work at all, always crashes my PC. (RTX 2080 Super) (brand-new clean-install W10 PC)

A lot of the promised VP17 features don't work at all, i.e. 8k 360deg video output is broken.

They never fix the problems with past versions. Then, every year, they release a new version, and expect you to pay more money to get a version with maybe one less problem (that should have already been fixed).

They don't have easy-to-contact technical support, and when I finally found a way to submit a support ticket (huge tedius workaround), it took them several days to answer, and they literally just asked me one stupid question that had nothing to do with my issue, and now have to wait X more days for the next response.

HOWEVER:

I despise Adobe and Apple products, and I never want to be "that guy" with Adobe Premiere, Final Cut, and a Macbook,... ugh...

Which means I am loyal to VP17 for eternity.

 

I am just saying that the SAME system somehow seems to be more sufficient when running other editor. That's my thing! I am not absurd, of course higher specs will work better - better do! - but all things being equal, seems Vegas is lacking that type of optimization. LE: I had to edit this in: FOR THE MOMENT. :)

@RogerS

Yeap, that's it.

I've noticed the same. On the same video file, with 1 editor I get 20% cpu, 20%GPU, on another 32%GPU, 15% cpu, and on VP17, 32%CPU and 6% GPU . This is on basic playback with no modifications to video.

I would give up Vegas if there was a better alternative. And yes subscription would also be too expensive as I only use Vegas randomly. Vegas has been crashing for me more often since I upgraded to 17.0. I can live with that so far but it is not nice. Vegas has also gotten much much slower. I was happily editing HDV 1080p videos in multi camera mode fluently about 10 years ago with Vegas. Now I have a much more efficient and modern computer but multi camera editing is not possible anymore because the display of several video streams is just too much for my computer. The clips now are not HDV but MXF MPEG-2 1080p, but I believe they should be comparable to HDV in decoding complexity. And I really wish there would be a smart auto ripple mode - one that detects if one is trying to make a gap by deleting an event from one track and then NOT shifting tracks so there will be overlapping events on other track. If shifting all tracks would not cause any overlapping events then they would be shifted. This would make it so much faster to edit when you don't need to switch ripple mode on/off all the time. If I find another NLE that has this kind of feature, can display multi camera works and does not crash - I would switch.

I think a platfrom version should be pretty much rock stable before the next bells and whistles version comes out.

In the recent survey I got from Magix about VP18 there should have been a question like "do you prefer stability more than new functionality".... Stabilty is paramount. There still should be new builds coming for VP17.

That said, If there is such a huge focus on rolling out VP18 and new versions, then users whom purchased in the past 12 months should get free upgrades or at least very heavy discount.

Adimatis, I find with my new Laptop system (Aero 15) the NVIDIA GPU (RTX 2070 Super) is used extensively throughout VP17.

SUBSCRIPTION !?!?

Yeah, right.....

TAXI!

@Stratman 

Unfortunately, I never see my GPU ever going more than 20-25% usage... Usually is much less. I thought of making some tests, to see exactly what processes of Vegas' are using it best... Rendering is using it and I am happy to report that bit was always nice and stable for me.

These days I finished a project, in Vegas 17, that was made of about 450-500 clips and ended up being 3 hours and 15 minutes long.

If I couldn't finish such long materials successfully, I would need to move somewhere else, from Vegas. But I can. :)

@Reyfox  @ByronK @Grazie Vegas HAS a subscription service: Vegas 360. OH, so do you mean "mandatory?"

BTW @GaryRebholz The subscription is OK, but not OK to load on ONLY ONE MACHINE.

 

@fred-w of course if Vegas was like Adobe, where I was forced into subscription, I'd leave. The same with BorisFX products.... I like the choice in deciding if the "upgrade" is worth it for me personally.

@Reyfox  @ByronK @Grazie Vegas HAS a subscription service: Vegas 360. OH, so do you mean "mandatory?"

@Reyfox - Indeed, indeed.

@Reyfox  @ByronK @Grazie Vegas HAS a subscription service: Vegas 360. OH, so do you mean "mandatory?"

@Reyfox - Indeed, indeed.

BTW Grazie, how is your recovery coming along? (sorry for OT).

The dry persistent cough has all but gone. Needing to build back up my lung stamina - up the stairs and down again I need to sit down. Not worried. What I’m worried about is the NEXT wave, which will come, I’m almost certain, due to the nature of us humans becoming, again, SuperSpreaders.

And @fred-w much appreciated that you asked, thank you.

@Grazie 👍 Good health to you!

@Grazie glad to hear you're on the road to recovery. How the liver panels doing?

@Grazie glad to hear you're on the road to recovery. How the liver panels doing?

@Howard-Vigorita - When I know, you'll know. GP and Surgery are a wee bit tied up presently - got no idea why, really? 😉 And yes, knowing what "damage" this dreadful disease has created for recoverees' is the next spectre to contemplate. However, I appreciate your concern.

To me was quite a big surprise to learn about this happening, because I have learnt so much from this guy, especially liked the short form of Vegas tutorials.

I am not saying I agree with such a drastic decision, but I did want to post this here, as I think it is important for Vegas development team to understand very clearly some things and personally I want to see a much improved Vegas that is truly an proper alternative to everything out there.

Having had some stupid issues with Vegas myself, I hope the future version will be dealing with a lot of users' suggestions and complaints, so the future is bigger, not smaller.

To me was quite a big surprise to learn about this happening, because I have learnt so much from this guy, especially liked the short form of Vegas tutorials.

I am not saying I agree with such a drastic decision, but I did want to post this here, as I think it is important for Vegas development team to understand very clearly some things and personally I want to see a much improved Vegas that is truly an proper alternative to everything out there.

Having had some stupid issues with Vegas myself, I hope the future version will be dealing with a lot of users' suggestions and complaints, so the future is bigger, not smaller.

The video guys has used Vegas Pro for 10 years?

@adimatis Wow it seems theletterisb is a big Youtuber of Vegas Tutorials like @glovercover