A few clarifications

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Nick Hope wrote on 9/30/2016, 9:42 AM

So we assume that the current $249 is for current users of Magix VP13 and everyone that has an SCS version should wait?

I didn't mean that. I assume that the current $249 upgrade is intended for users of any previous version of Vegas Pro prior to VP14.

I was speculating that not having the serials fully migrated over may have contributed to MAGIX not being able to offer a better introductory upgrade offer. If they had wanted to do a $149 offer for Pro, they had no way of verifying previous ownership other than unworkable long-winded methods such as emailing in a receipt, and so first-time purchasers would have been able to get an even cheaper price than they can now ($249 via the loophole) or could in July ($199 via the exclusive welcome offer). And I further speculate that there may be significantly cheaper upgrade offers at some point after the data migration is complete, perhaps around November time, like how the previous custodians often did:

Whether one waits or not depends how badly one wants the new version, and how likely one thinks a better price might come along. Personally I would want to see this serious memory bug fixed first before spending anything on it.

PixelStuff wrote on 9/30/2016, 10:23 AM

The problem I have right now with giving Magix any "loyalty" is that they have essentially said this:

  • Users of older versions can pre-upgrade to VP13+14 for $199.
  • Users already on VP13 wait until the end of September and get it for $250.

That seems almost like a slap in the face to those who are probably the most loyal.

Being a loyal Vegas owner myself who has upgraded to every version since Vegas Video 2 (except for skipping v6), I think I'll skip this version (at this pricing anyway) and seriously consider whether MAGIX will be a trustworthy owner. We'll see how they act in the future. I think now they are going to need to overcompensate a little if they want me to really trust them.

If MAGIX felt the prices needed an increase they should have used a more gradual approach in a way that shows they appreciate and want the most loyal of the old Sony customers. At the very least they should have used the same $199 price for existing VP13 user upgrades, but personally I would have gone even lower to $179 as an introductory "Welcome to MAGIX" price just for VP13 to VP14 upraders. Then bump it to $199 or $229, for VP15 and $249 for VP16 if that's the price needed for long term sustainability.

 

Curtsong wrote on 9/30/2016, 11:08 AM

I Don't Know.  After further review of this whole thing, this really just appears to be another asset dump by Sony sold to a hungry software distribution company looking to cash in on older long term customers and perhaps some new ones that aren't really abreast of the situation.  With no real value that I can see in the upgrade and the rapid advances that are taking place with other NLE software, I just can't justify this purchase.  Especially, if such a large customer base for a couple decades are getting the cold shoulder.  I'll continue to use my Vegas Pro 13 until i find another NLE that will treat me with better respect.  Thank you.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/30/2016, 12:14 PM

I do not know if you are familiar with the company Magix, if you describe them as "hungry software distribution company looking to cash". Magix has been for a long time in the business of both the development and distribution of software for video, pictures, music in Europe. So it is no new player. I do also not see how they should make quick cash in the beginning - they had to purchase the software for something, and they have hired to old development team or parts of it. That is an investment.

If you are not satisfied with the new features that that is a complete different story. That depends on your needs. While for me the ProRes support and the better preview using Deckling cards is great and (for me) alone the price for the upgrade worth, if you edit footage from consumer cameras you may not find enough value or justifying the upgrade (but I do not know what you are looking for).

The issue behind that is more that SCS discontinued the development of Vegas long time ago. We did not have betatests long time, since there was nothing to test. Due to the change in ownership I assume that there was not the capacity to bring in additional features by now. I do not know how the product roadmap will look in future, but I assume that there will be additional features in future. Whenever they will arrive.

OldSmoke wrote on 9/30/2016, 1:29 PM

I do not know if you are familiar with the company Magix, if you describe them as "hungry software distribution company looking to cash". Magix has been for a long time in the business of both the development and distribution of software for video, pictures, music in Europe. So it is no new player. I do also not see how they should make quick cash in the beginning - they had to purchase the software for something, and they have hired to old development team or parts of it. That is an investment.

Are you asking for our pitty? If Magix wants to recover from their purchase of SCS software than they are going the wrong way.

If you are not satisfied with the new features that that is a complete different story. That depends on your needs. While for me the ProRes support and the better preview using Deckling cards is great and (for me) alone the price for the upgrade worth, if you edit footage from consumer cameras you may not find enough value or justifying the upgrade (but I do not know what you are looking for).

So any camera that does not require a Decklink card for VP or doesnt record in ProRes is a consumer camera?

The issue behind that is more that SCS discontinued the development of Vegas long time ago. We did not have betatests long time, since there was nothing to test. Due to the change in ownership I assume that there was not the capacity to bring in additional features by now. I do not know how the product roadmap will look in future, but I assume that there will be additional features in future. Whenever they will arrive.


So basically 13 and 14 are the same because there was nothing to be tested, all done in 13 already?

Are you a spokes person for Magix?

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