Benchmarking results continued

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todd-b wrote on 9/9/2021, 1:05 AM

I was using a BCC transition so i'll have to supplement that for a Vegas transition or effect where I hope to get the same CPU use for a benchmark test that others can try and compare between VP18 and VP19

RogerS wrote on 9/29/2021, 3:21 AM

We have a new fastest system for both UHD and FHD- AMD5950x with RX-6900XT. Thanks to Léonce for submitting. Link to the results on the first page.

Leonce-Barbezieux wrote on 9/29/2021, 6:39 AM

We have a new fastest system for both UHD and FHD- AMD5950x with RX-6900XT. Thanks to Léonce for submitting. Link to the results on the first page.

<3

Reyfox wrote on 9/29/2021, 8:41 AM

that is one beast of a computer!

Leonce-Barbezieux wrote on 9/29/2021, 10:46 AM

Yes, it is really something, it's true. Quite impressive and so pleasant to work with.

And a beast build for Magix Vegas !

Thanks to this forum, our little community and all of our messages trying to understand, days after days, what is the best setup to feed our lovely vegas.

 

Just for your information and add my two cents in the "Smart access Memory", my old computer used to render an HD file at 50 frames / second.

New one out of the box : 155 frames / second.

New one with SAM enable and D.C.O.P for the ram : 200 frames / second.

 

todd-b wrote on 10/23/2021, 4:30 AM

I forgot about this topic until it was mentioned in another thread. I tried this benchmark again with current windows updates and drivers, it worked fine, but do you guys know if it's a known fact that Vegas 18 and below is not compatible with 3000 series NVENC encoding? It works but is slow and speeds are highly variable?

VP19 4k Nvenc - 1m15s 1080p Nvenc - 45s

 

VP18 4k Nvenc - 3m30s,3m50s,4m15s 1080P Nvenc 2m13,2m17s,1m31, 1m42s

VP18 4k Software - 1m40s 1080p software - 1m06s

 

VP17 4k Nvenc - 4m14s,3m41s 1080p Nvenc - 1m01s,52s

 

I guess this is a selling feature of VP19 even if timeline playback was slower when I tested with it on release

 

RogerS wrote on 10/23/2021, 7:03 AM

Hi Todd, while I've been recommending people try this project for diagnostic purposes it really is most useful as a benchmark. With enough data we can interrogate the results in different ways, including to answer the question you posed as to support for 3XXX NVIDIA cards and NVENC renders.

The problem is not enough data at present to go beyond anecdotes. You can help with that by submitting the reporting form for your renders for VP 19, 18 and 17 to the database (use the Google form) and try to encourage other NVIDIA users to do the same.

TheRhino wrote on 10/23/2021, 10:12 AM

do you guys know if it's a known fact that Vegas 18 and below is not compatible with 3000 series NVENC encoding?

A while back I got a Nvidia 3060 Ti for $400 from Best Buy online, tested it using V18 with the "Sample Project 4K" benchmarks, and got UHD scores (1:20) slightly better than my AMD VEGA 64 LQ (1:34). However, I decided to sell it while resell prices are high & wait for something better... The only problem I had with V18 & NVENC encoding was that I could only open & render using (3) instances of Vegas whereas with AMD VCE I think the only limitation is system RAM...

BTW, I'm also thinking of selling my AMD VEGA 64 LQ while its market value is $800+ & my VEGA 56 @ $700+... That would give me $1500 towards better GPUs like the AMD 6900XT when prices & availability stabilize. In the meantime, I can get-by with slower QSV renders since I use (1) PC for editing & (1) PC for rendering...

 

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Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

todd-b wrote on 10/23/2021, 9:02 PM

@RogerS There's something unusual going on, @TheRhino 's benchmarks don't show any peculiarities with VP18, but I have heard others talk about slow NVENC with their 3000 series Nvidia cards. Requires further investigation, Maybe a plugin is responsible, I would not like to submit data that is not typical of my CPU and GPU if my VP18 is not working correctly

RogerS wrote on 10/23/2021, 9:11 PM

Please submit your data and encourage others who "talk about slow NVENC" to do the same. The talk I saw was early in the 3XXX release cycle, before studio drivers were available. I thought it was resolved.

If you later find your data is faulty due to some confounding issue, just message me or post here and I'll delete it from the benchmark table (or revise it with new data.)

todd-b wrote on 10/24/2021, 12:47 AM

@RogerS I can do VP19, not VP18, as the figures would be misleading in helping someone buy a machine for Vegas

Timestamp
User Name        Todd-b
Computer brand/model    home build
Version of Vegas Pro    VP19
Build of Vegas Pro    381
CPU Manufacturer    AMD
CPU Model        Ryzen5900x
CPU Cores        12
Main GPU Mfg.        Nvidia
GPU Model        rtx3070
Integrated GPU?        no            
Overclocked?        no

    
Render frame size    FHD    
Hardware Graphics Acceleration    yes
Render File Type    Magix AVC
Encode Mode        Nvenc
Render time (minutes and seconds)    0:44s
Average Frames Per Second for Playback    10
Comments

    
Render frame size    FHD    
Hardware Graphics Acceleration    yes
Render File Type    Magix AVC
Encode Mode        Software
Render time (minutes and seconds)    48s
Average Frames Per Second for Playback    10
Comments

    
Render frame size    UHD
Hardware Graphics Acceleration    yes
Render File Type    Magix AVC
Encode Mode        Nvenc
Render time (minutes and seconds)    1:13
Average Frames Per Second for Playback    10
Comments

    
Render frame size    UHD
Hardware Graphics Acceleration    yes
Render File Type    Magix AVC
Encode Mode        Software
Render time (minutes and seconds)    1:36
Average Frames Per Second for Playback    10
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RogerS wrote on 10/24/2021, 12:57 AM

Thanks for filling out the form- you'll see the results on the results page. First impression is looks strong and in line with what others are getting for both CPU and GPU renders. Hopefully we can get more submissions with newer NVIDIA and AMD GPUs.

todd-b wrote on 10/24/2021, 1:57 AM

The UHD software encode seems a bit fast, If I read the benchmark chart correctly I'm in equal 2nd place for fastest CPU render? That seems a bit unusual unless VP19 is faster and most of the comparisons are with older versions. My computer is very average with CPU limited to 170watts. I will check that again tomorrow

RogerS wrote on 10/24/2021, 2:09 AM

It's a small data set but you are 5th fastest CPU render and 7 seconds off a Ryzen 9-5950x which seems plausible.

I have not seen performance differences between VP 18 527 vs VP 19 as of yet (but very limited data; I did tests and Howard did too, but he tracks his results separately.)

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 10/24/2021, 10:00 AM

@RogerS Cudos on what you've done with getting submissions via Google Forms and putting them online into Google Sheets. My new system build is looking nearly finalized with a 6900xt... will submit something run manually later today if that's OK.

Cameras: Z-Cam E2 w/Canon EF turbo mount, Canon XF305, JVC GV-LS2, Canon 6D w/L-glass line.
Laptop: Dell XPS15-9570; i7-8750h 32gb (integrated Intel UHD-630 {.8935} & Nvidia GTX-1050Ti {472.47})
Road: Intel NUC8 i7-8809g 32gb (integrated AMD VegaM 4gb {21.8.2 [Mod]} & integrated Intel HD630 {.9415}) Win11
Workstation: i9-9900k 32 gb (Sapphire AMD Radeon VII 16gb {21.q3.1} & integrated Intel UHD630 {.9466})
Workstation2: XeonE5-1650v4 128 gb (Sapphire Nitro+ Vega64 8gb {21.q3.1} & Nvidia GTX-1660 8gb {472.39})
Workstation3: i7-980X 24gb (Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 8gb {21.q3})
under constr: i9-11900k 64gb (Sapphire ToxicLC 6900xt 16 gb {Adrenalin 21.10.2 } & Intel UHD750 {.9955} ) Win11
currently Vegas 17.455, Vegas 18.527, Vegas 19.381 all with Win10 except as noted.

Red Car & Pip Benchmarks: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1TK2lyFZSlzU9JQ8xO1mvoj-zl9tyj2lc?usp=sharing
Benchmark Tables: RoundUp21 , RoundUp2020, and earlier
(ffMetrics by fifonik) Encoder Quality Tables by me: http://www.rtpress.com/ffmetrics.htm

RogerS wrote on 10/24/2021, 5:47 PM

That would be wonderful, look forward to 6900xt data in particular to see what difference it makes.

Edit: The i9-11900K with RX-6900XT and VCE is now the combo to beat!

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Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700 with Intel 630 iGPU (driver 27.20.100.9664), dual internal SSD (256GB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

Vegas 19.424

Gid wrote on 11/9/2021, 7:11 PM

@RogerS @JN- Hi , I've been trying this benchmark project, playback on the selected area is about 10-17fps

the fastest i can get is from the default render settings for 1080 HD

0.43secs

2160 UHD is 1.08secs

I don't know how to create the data list that people have been posting?

 

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Vegas Pro 19, HitFilm Pro, Boris Continuum, Sapphire, 
Boris Continuum, Sapphire, Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, Optics,
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans

RogerS wrote on 11/9/2021, 9:50 PM

Hi Gid, JN- isn't on this forum anymore.

If you go back to page 1 of this thread you can see a new online form you can use to upload your results.

10-17FPS is extremely fast for that section. Try to play it back a few times and just average the performance. Turning dynamic ram preview to 0MB gives a more realistic figure (it is a buffer). Then set it back to whatever number you normally use for dynamic ram preview before you do the render.

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Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700 with Intel 630 iGPU (driver 27.20.100.9664), dual internal SSD (256GB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

Vegas 19.424

Gid wrote on 11/10/2021, 8:55 AM

@RogerS Thanks,

Setting dynamic ram preview to 0MB improved playback a fraction, but when the selection is set to region 1 it stutters for a moment as it loops & gets started playing again, it doesn't play properly until 1/3 of the way through, 10-17fps like i say when i do just that region,

If i play the whole project as it passes over region 1 & is in full playing mode i get 12-20fps,

Yesterday when i did the ones in the pics in the comment above, the PC had been on for 14hrs+, I was told when i bought it it runs hot & it does like to work better when it's warmed up, i ran this test a dozen times, I tried changing a few settings on my GPU control panel, no improvement which each render,

I decided to wait & try it again in the morning when the PC had cooled over night, the render times were fractionally slower, 48secs compared to the 43secs i was getting the night before,

I ran it again an hr or so later after the PC had warmed up a bit, 46secs 🤷‍♂️😕 then i remembered i'd turned dynamic ram preview to 0MB, so i gave it the 15% i normally have it set at for building dynamic ram preview, render times went back down to 43secs & 1.07secs just like the night before.

I have 256GB RAM so the setting looks like this

I'll do the online form later 👍

Vegas Pro 19, HitFilm Pro, Boris Continuum, Sapphire, 
Boris Continuum, Sapphire, Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, Optics,
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans

RogerS wrote on 11/10/2021, 9:06 AM

It's supposed to worsen playback on this very challenging section. Include the stuttering part in your average framerate.

Thanks for your report and if you fill out the form I don't have to enter it all manually : )

It will also be a good reference as drivers and Vegas are updated to see if performance improves or regresses from time to time.

Gid wrote on 11/10/2021, 9:13 AM

Thanks, ok & yeah i understand the reason for that selection,

One thing that's always puzzled me is however many times i play something, it never seems to remember, it plays a little better after the first couple of times but seems to reach a point where there's no improvement,

I just went to the shop, i was gone ½hr-ish, i left this benchmark test looping, when i returned it was still only playing 12-15-25fps at different parts of the clip, you'd think after the first dozen times it'd remember what it's playing,

Is there no cache type thing in Vegas?

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Vegas Pro 19, HitFilm Pro, Boris Continuum, Sapphire, 
Boris Continuum, Sapphire, Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, Optics,
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans

RogerS wrote on 11/10/2021, 9:40 AM

Dynamic ram preview is the cache and when it fills up it overwrites itself so no more learning can take place. At least that's how I understand it- it's a bit mysterious and due for an upgrade at some point.

Gid wrote on 11/10/2021, 9:52 AM

Thanks, that's why i have some Dynamic ram saved & not set to 0 to do that ram preview 👍, yeah an upgrade would be good, a lot of my other software plays through once then it's good to go on the second time around, like you say it does need to update if i make any changes but it's automatic.

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Vegas Pro 19, HitFilm Pro, Boris Continuum, Sapphire, 
Boris Continuum, Sapphire, Silhouette Standalone + Plugin, 
Mocha Pro Standalone + Plugin, Optics,
Desktop PC Microsoft Windows 10 Pro - 64-Bit
ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU
ASUS ROG Thor 1200W Semi-Modular 80+ Platinum PSU 
Fractal Design Define 7 XL Dark TG Case with 3 Fans

DDMan11 wrote on 11/22/2021, 9:28 AM

Hello everyone! I just created an account here specifically to try and get this benchmarking deal working and submit a result. Sadly, the .ogg song file is erroring no matter how I try to import it. Has anyone else had this issue? Using Vegas Pro 19. The OGG file plays in all media players (Windows Groove, VLC, etc..), but I can't drag and drop it in, and importing doesn't work either. All I get is this error. Any help would be appreciated!