Benchmarking results continued

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RogerS wrote on 11/22/2021, 9:42 AM

That's a first- it opens here in VP 19.

If you can open it in audio software just resave as a .wav and replace it? It shouldn't have any impact on render times.

In case somehow it got corrupted here is a direct download.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/91kz701f8m6t243/Song.ogg?dl=0

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 11/22/2021, 10:16 AM

Hello everyone! I just created an account here specifically to try and get this benchmarking deal working and submit a result. Sadly, the .ogg song file is erroring no matter how I try to import it. Has anyone else had this issue? Using Vegas Pro 19. The OGG file plays in all media players (Windows Groove, VLC, etc..), but I can't drag and drop it in, and importing doesn't work either. All I get is this error. Any help would be appreciated!
 


@DDMan11 Only time I've ever seen that error is when the media is already open and locked by another application, like a browser for instance. Suggest you try a reboot and fire up Vegas before opening any of the media with another app. You might also have to turn off "Restart Apps" in Windows Sign-on settings if the offending app restarts automatically after a reboot.

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DDMan11 wrote on 11/22/2021, 3:03 PM

I tried the suggestion and just converted it to a WAV file. No problems after that, but nothing with the OGG file worked. *shrug*

Ran things 4x through and will submit my findings, but here's my breakdown:

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Playback, after 3 or 4 loops averaged to around 4.9 FPS. At least that's what it looked like...

4k AMD VCE: 4:01, avg 4.33 FPS

4k Mainconcepts: 5:25, avg 3.21 FPS

1080p AMD VCE: 1:26, avg 12.09 FPS

1080p Mainconcepts: 1:46, avg 9.84 FPS

My only issue is the lack of CPU and GPU usage, even with the 4k version. With an NVME, read and write speeds are not remotely an issue. Vegas never uses more than 2gb of RAM though and CPU/GPU usage doesn't ramp up until about halfway through. Between the 10% and 45% mark it runs like a SNAIL, and then suddenly after half it more than triples its speed (and I show about 40% CPU/GPU usage). It does this for all versions (VCE or CPU rendering), so I just assume it has to do with the files it's rendering and the difficulty more than anything else. Comparing my hardware to others, I think I'm running a bit slow so I need to see what's up.

RogerS wrote on 11/22/2021, 6:23 PM

The inconsistent performance as Vegas manages text and Fx are expected for this benchmark. The media itself isn't challenging for Vegas.

Scores of 4 and 5 minutes aren't expected for 4K- I get that with my laptop. Can you keep an eye on GHz speed of your CPU while rendering? If it drops a lot maybe use a tool like HWInfo64 (or Ryzen master?) to see if there are elevated temps. Beyond that I'm not sure what could cause this. I assume you have recent Pro or Enterprise drivers for your GPU and system bios, chipset, etc. are up to date and functioning normally. Under File i/o in Vegas is it using your AMD card for decoding? AMD is active under preferences/video? There's not a whole lot else to configure in Vegas assuming you haven't made any unexpected changes in internal preferences, etc.

DDMan11 wrote on 11/22/2021, 11:54 PM

@RogerS Thank you for the reply. I've got up to date drivers, and BIOS is as up to date as they will let me (They don't recommend any higher bios update with my current CPU as newer updates for for 3000/5000 series CPU's).

File I/O was set to Auto (AMD)
File/Preferences was set to AMD GPU acceleration
Also Dynamic preview set to 0

I took 3 different measures (along with screenshots) during rendering:

5% (5 seconds into rendering):

 

12% (1:05 into rendering)

 

50% (3:36 in)...



And of course it finished that last 50% in about 30 seconds.

Less than 20% CPU usage the entire time, MODERATE GPU usage...sometimes... but during the slowdown (which occurs between 9% and 30%) it's just a few percent usage. Temps never get over 55* (I can run Prime95 on MAX for 30 mins and only see CPU temps up in the upper 70's). Disk usage is super low (2.5MB/s or so when it's "working"). I'm just super torn as to what is up. I noticed this behavior before which is why I looked up this benchmark, but I'm not going to plug this data in if it isn't accurate or will skew data.

RogerS wrote on 11/23/2021, 12:07 AM

Just a note, dynamic ram preview should be at whatever you normally use for the render (for VP 19, 5% or 10% is normal), it is just 0% for the preview to see how the system actually plays back the footage.

You're doing a good job tracking your system so I'd say your data reflects how it works today. I'd encourage you to submit results and if you find something was clearly broken just DM me later with your build of Vegas and new render times and I'll update the sheet directly. Some data is better than no data!

DDMan11 wrote on 11/25/2021, 5:19 PM

Just a note, dynamic ram preview should be at whatever you normally use for the render (for VP 19, 5% or 10% is normal), it is just 0% for the preview to see how the system actually plays back the footage.

You're doing a good job tracking your system so I'd say your data reflects how it works today. I'd encourage you to submit results and if you find something was clearly broken just DM me later with your build of Vegas and new render times and I'll update the sheet directly. Some data is better than no data!

You hit the nail on the head right here! Wow....

Benchmarking 4k with VCE with 0 dynamic preview (Which is what I was told to set it to by some others, to help with compatibility since I have 32gb of RAM), gave me a 3:53 as my fastest.

Sure enough, I turned on dynamic RAM and set to 1% (then tested 5% too just to be sure), and BAM. 1:25/1:24 rendering duration with no other changes.

I'm going to re-run all my benchmarks and then give you an update. I also tried rendering with VEGAS 17, which rendered faster than 19 (1:13 vs 1:24) and used WAY more RAM (7gb on 17 vs only 2gb on 19). Not sure why that's the case, but who knows.

Definitely some interesting stuff here!

RogerS wrote on 11/25/2021, 7:13 PM

Please report VP17 times too. It's interesting for comparisons. Haven't seen a change between 18 and 19 but 19 is still being improved.

todd-b wrote on 11/25/2021, 7:47 PM
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Benchmarking 4k with VCE with 0 dynamic preview (Which is what I was told to set it to by some others, to help with compatibility since I have 32gb of RAM), gave me a 3:53 as my fastest.

Sure enough, I turned on dynamic RAM and set to 1% (then tested 5% too just to be sure), and BAM. 1:25/1:24 rendering duration with no other changes.

I'm going to re-run all my benchmarks and then give you an update.

Yes you should try that again, I have seen up to 25% faster playback speeds on timeline with Dynamic ram set to 50mb or above, and we do know that carries accross to rendering speed, and will be faster , maybe 15-20%. Your results show a 275% increase in speed

Your dynamic ram 'on' values show expected results but dynamic ram 0 are unusually slow @DDMan11

 

DDMan11 wrote on 11/25/2021, 7:55 PM

I wish I could just USE my RAM. I didn't buy 32gb to use so little. Most of my projects are 10-30 mins in length and usually have lots of speeding up, slowing, and clips from longer videos. Maybe my projects just aren't big enough.

Ill re-run the benchmarks with dynamic ram and go from there.

Gid wrote on 11/25/2021, 11:57 PM

Hi @DDMan11 You're not alone with noticing the lack of use of CPU/RAM/GPU etc.

in your pics above it says Google (45) in Taskmanager, I think, it's a bit sml for me to read, but have you got Google open & other programs while doing this test? I notice a drop in speeds when Google is open.

can you try it with & without it open,

& my Google only reads Google (31) even when i opened 19tabs just as a test ?

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DDMan11 wrote on 11/26/2021, 12:22 AM

Hi @DDMan11 You're not alone with noticing the lack of use of CPU/RAM/GPU etc.

in your pics above it says Google (45) in Taskmanager, I think, it's a bit sml for me to read, but have you got Google open & other programs while doing this test? I notice a drop in speeds when Google is open.

can you try it with & without it open,

& my Google only reads Google (31) even when i opened 19tabs just as a test ?

Yeah, I had some tabs open, but it was crystal clear that it was the dynamic preview that sped everything up for me. Even with a fresh restart, 0 apps open, it was still running dog slow until I upped the dynamic preview just a tiny bit.