Is it possible to export a project out of Vegas Pro and then render it in MS 2022? Wouldn't mind having both and just use MS 2022 for rendering.

@RickJameBish

Is it possible to export a project out of Vegas Pro and then render it in MS 2022?

You will probably be more likely to get a response to this question if you asked the question on MAGIX's Video forum as that forum covers Movie Studio 2022 issues - https://www.magix.info/us/video-forum/

Just FYI: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/read-first-movie-studio-18-vs-vegas-movie-studio--130402/

Again FYI, Movie Studio 18 has recently been renamed Movie Studio 2022.

So I just did an apples to apples test as far as encoding goes. Vegas Pro vs Movie Studio 2022. Identical 2-minute video, identical preset with average bitrate of 60000 kbps. 2022 completed in 1 minute flat. Vegas Pro 5min 35 seconds. Yikes.

@RickJameBish There's a few posts on here about that, people have differing opinions, I personally put together a dozen 4k clips making a 25min project, Vegas rendered in 14mins but Magix Movie Edit Pro Premium rendered in 5mins, I can't point you to a certain post but it has been commented on about how much Vegas does or doesn't use of the available power in the PC. there's no magic button in Vegas to improve this 😒🤷‍♂️

This is one post https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/small-project-failing-to-render-past-26-bug-report-project-included--132745/?page=3#ca829229

@RickJameBish Yep, Vegas can do way more than Magix but the playback & export/render speed can't be denied, it'd be nice to have the best of both worlds but i guess we'll have to wait,

btw i've tried a few programs that would support my Boris plugins, none are better than Vegas enough to make me want to swap, I would like to see a better performance of Vegas though,

@Former user It's hard to meet a Vegas user with so many complete Boris plugins: BCC, Sapphire, Silhouette, Mocha. If you have good communication with both Vegas and Boris developers, it will be a good thing for Vegas and Boris compatibility. Have you tried to join the Beta Group of Boris or Vegas?

Still trying to optimize GPU Encoding. I expanded testing to Davinci Resolve (free), which used no hardware acceleration for encoding. Resolved bested Vegas Pro 19 by completing the encode in 3 minutes. So I decided to pay more attention to the utilization graph in Windows. This is the graph for Vegas Pro 19 when encoding. You can see the spikes / pauses in the encoding numbers displayed. So its like for every second it encodes, it pauses, effectively doubling encode time. MS 2022 is consistent, and the graph looks like a long wave.

Any ideas?

I have not been seeing Intel Qsv encoding performing as well in recent years as Amd or Nvidia encoding. But I still find Intel decoding faster than the others. So I do all my test rendering with Intel hardware decoding feeding my video board which does everything else including display through it's hdmi port. If my camera clips are shot with hevc, as I usually do, I switch Hevc decoding to Legacy which seems to employ a hybrid Intel runtime. Legacy hevc decoding is slower but much higher in quality which passes through to all renders. This does not apply to avc or other formats. Btw, if Resolve (free) out performs Vegas it means your source clips and not benefiting from hardware decoding. That could be because the format cannot be decoded in hardware. If the input clips can be decoded in hardware and your system isn't doing it, it's either not set up for it or there's a problem with the Intel driver. The Resolve free version has ffmpeg hardware decoding disabled... they only enable it in the Studio version.

Still trying to optimize GPU Encoding. I expanded testing to Davinci Resolve (free), which used no hardware acceleration for encoding. Resolved bested Vegas Pro 19 by completing the encode in 3 minutes.

Resolve has a faster render engine that utilizes your GPU well, if you have enough CPU and GPU (9900K +rtx3090 is enough) this is possible as it's able to use more of your computer's resources. Obviously you were encoding to AVC, this won't be the case for software encoded HEVC

So I decided to pay more attention to the utilization graph in Windows. This is the graph for Vegas Pro 19 when encoding. You can see the spikes / pauses in the encoding numbers displayed. So its like for every second it encodes, it pauses, effectively doubling encode time. MS 2022 is consistent, and the graph looks like a long wave.

Any ideas?

Vegas has a bug where it pauses every 60frames and seems to do nothing, you can verify that by looking at your other graphs, every 60 frames everything stops. From what I've heard from people on this board AMD and Intel hardware encoding doesn't have the same bug, which makes those people think both their GPU encoder is faster, but it probably isn't , it's just faster on Vegas due to this NVENC bug. It's been the same since Vegas Pro 15, so it doesn't look like it's going to be fixed

Some people here have said, it's the frame buffer, it's expected behavior. What they seem to be saying is Vegas renders 60frames, NVENC encodes 60 frames, and this happens in series, not parallel so you get this delay, but it doesn't look that way to me, CPU, GPU DECODE, and NVENC spikes appear to line up. Whatever the reason it's not efficient and it slows down your hardware encoding @RickJameBish

I got an interesting GPU driver update a few days or so ago, it changed my Taskmanager window, I don't see the spikes anymore,

This is a single clip i've added an fx to & did Dynamic Ram to make it play better, this is the render,

& this is just a random bunch of 4k clips, no fx added

@Former user are your encodes faster? Maybe the graph is displaying differently, You no longer have the 100% spikes, but instead a 40% average, which sounds like it could be similar speed just displayed differently

@Former user I haven't noticed a difference but i was curious so right at this mo i have a 25min 4k project rendering out, 5mins to go

The last time it took 14:19mins to render, I do have Google tabs & BBC iPlayer open, watching Dr Who 😁 I'll render it again when everything's closed,

@Former user 12:10mins it does appear a little faster but I'll render it again when everything's closed,

Still trying to optimize GPU Encoding. I expanded testing to Davinci Resolve (free), which used no hardware acceleration for encoding. Resolved bested Vegas Pro 19 by completing the encode in 3 minutes.

Resolve has a faster render engine that utilizes your GPU well, if you have enough CPU and GPU (9900K +rtx3090 is enough) this is possible as it's able to use more of your computer's resources. Obviously you were encoding to AVC, this won't be the case for software encoded HEVC

It's my understanding from reading the forums, and after talking to Black Magic, that Resolve Free uses your GPU during editing but not for encoding. For GPU encoding you have to use the paid Studio version.

There's no hardware decoding in Resolve free, either though it uses other GPU functionality during playback.

 

It's my understanding from reading the forums, and after talking to Black Magic, that Resolve Free uses your GPU during editing but not for encoding. For GPU encoding you have to use the paid Studio version.

V17.4 was said to introduce hardware encoding to Resolve free on Windows, as RogerS said, GPU decoding they are keeping for Paid version. It seems unusual to offer HEVC encoding in free version because they have to pay a license fee. I don't have free version to confirm @RickJameBish

Edit: Looks to be HEVC only, and going by the comments, you need to have the Microsoft HEVC windows codec, which I think costs $1

@Former user I have Resolve free, I wasn't impressed with it, playback cache has an auto feature that takes about the same amount of time as Vegas Dynamic Ram, It didn't appear to use my system much better than Vegas & render times on the short clips i tried weren't anything to shout about, I might be wrong but i tried it quite a few times & haven't found the 'magic button', at some point i'll try it with this 25min 4k test, (that's roughly what my YT videos are 😉) but most of all it's not fully supported by Boris, Mocha Pro doesn't work in it, so that's a problem for me as that's one of my favourites,

Speaking of those, Vegas rendered in 12.14mins-ish each time with all other apps closed, you could see from the preview screen it was rendering it in small chunks but the graph looked like it did in the pic above,

MEP wasn't any faster than in the past, roughly 5:30mins for this 25min 4k project.

@Former user Some of the Boris filters are faster on Vegas, BCC+Detail as example, on a 1080P AVC source file rendered at 26fps on Vegas, and 16fps on Resolve, doesn't really matter much if you use software or hardware encode, the bottleneck is the filter

Resolve

Vegas

But those that don't check the hidden cuda engine will complain about it not using GPU

@Former user Cuda doesn't show in my Taskmanager now, not since the GPU update, there was Windows update about the same time also tho, 🤷‍♂️