Curious if a 4k AI-Upscale FX from the camera clip helps... I tried the sharp model. Here are some YouTube unlisted links on my personal account:

@Howard-Vigorita I've never seen a 1080P60 YT bitrate that high

Video
Codec ID                                 : vp09
Duration                                 : 5 s 371 ms
Bit rate                                 : 10.5 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (59940/1000) FPS

I wonder if they are doing A/B testing with your account, and you're the exception or if everyone would get that 1080P bitrate if uploaded at 4K

I added a slight color grade to my slow version, used Voukoder zscale to upscale to UHD at a high bit rate.

General
Complete name                            : BR 30 2X (CRF22, GOP30, GOPMin1, No B-Frames).mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 249 MiB
Duration                                 : 26 s 456 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 79.0 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 29.970 FPS
Writing application                      : Voukoder (VEGAS)

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L5.1
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 26 s 427 ms
Bit rate                                 : 78.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.317
Stream size                              : 248 MiB (100%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 164
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 
/ me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 
/ trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 
/ threads=48 / lookahead_threads=8 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 
/ bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=30 / keyint_min=1 
/ scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=30 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=22.0 / qcomp=0.60 
/ qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 26 s 456 ms
Source duration                          : 26 s 432 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Nominal bit rate                         : 278 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 320 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Source stream size                       : 896 KiB (0%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

If you're curious about what youtube offers, here is the link:

I set the project to 4k and threw ai upscale in. Did the 4k render with MainConcept hevc vbr at 40/80 with no audio which they apparently knocked down to 25% of what I gave them. That account's pretty low volume and none of my accounts are monetized so I don't think they give me any special treatment.

The high bitrate for this video looks to be for everyone. It's unusual because I've been tracking videos across a few years showing the VP9 bitrate has been reduced almost 50% on YouTube. But doesn't look to be true for all videos.

Video
Codec ID                                 : vp09
Duration                                 : 1 min 0 s
Bit rate                                 : 12.5 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (59940/1000) FPS

My Vimeo links go to my clients so that has to be the best possible.

Any more suggestions? Thank you in advance :)

@Kimberly-Durecki Forget about YT/Vimeo and the time consuming acts to present there your final edit to your clients. Send them the good quality Voukoder render by a file transfer service.

The high bitrate for this video looks to be for everyone. It's unusual because I've been tracking videos across a few years showing the VP9 bitrate has been reduced almost 50% on YouTube. But doesn't look to be true for all videos.

Video
Codec ID                                 : vp09
Duration                                 : 1 min 0 s
Bit rate                                 : 12.5 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (59940/1000) FPS

@Former user How did you manage to download your 1080 from YouTube as it will only let me download my 1080s at 720.

@EricLNZ Shutter Encoder can do this, it's the last option of function menu under Download - Web VIdeo

To see all possible video/audio options untick Auto, choose webm version for constant frame rate, mp4 wrapper creates VFR.

If you enter those parameters into your Voukoder options you can preview how it will look to your viewers without going to the trouble of uploading to Vimeo,

I slowed your source to twice as long and added the parameters to my Voukoder options and the leaves were not clear.

You can download it here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fSOktd1b34GMSjm-UG9AUCFKNoA912Bt/view?usp=sharing

Yep still not clear but thank you for trying. I appreciate all the feedback.

My Vimeo links go to my clients so that has to be the best possible.

Any more suggestions? Thank you in advance :)

@Kimberly-Durecki Forget about YT/Vimeo and the time consuming acts to present there your final edit to your clients. Send them the good quality Voukoder render by a file transfer service.

I do send them the actual finished product, which is exceptional. The problem is I do mostly real estate videos for realtors and they have to have the video uploaded to vimeo or youtube as they need the embedded code ( URL) so that they can post the video to the listing on the MLS to sell the home. No way around that.

@Kimberly-Durecki Understand, at least now you know which scenery can cause trouble. So avoid fast camera movement with higly detailed scenes.

@Kimberly-Durecki

I downloaded the UHD version that I uploaded to youtube...

... and it was only half bad at 20.9 Mbps.

Today, I'm likely to zero out my hard drive and forget we talked.

I had a tennis instructor in college who had a saying that I remember to this day, "Fast feet, sloooooow racket."

No, I didn't continue to play tennis.

Thanks everyone for your help. It is just a shame that you pay for a service ( venmo) and you get terrible results.

Everyone has spent enough time on this thread. The video is what is on venmo I guess. Thank you!

If you plan on doing more low-level aerial panning, that's more of a shutter than encoder issue. Where if anything, more detailed encoding will just make the artifacts clearer. Think about investing in a global rather than the usual rolling shutter camera. Something like a an a9 or s6g should work as a payload on an Inspire2 or H920.

If you plan on doing more low-level aerial panning, that's more of a shutter than encoder issue. Where if anything, more detailed encoding will just make the artifacts clearer. Think about investing in a global rather than the usual rolling shutter camera. Something like a an a9 or s6g should work as a payload on an Inspire2 or H920.

I use an DJI Inspire 3 Pro. I do not low flying as this happens, but some client insist on low flying up the driveways. I find it boring, they want it so I do it. Who wants 20 seconds of flying up a driveway when the entire video is only 2 minutes lol Anyways, it is what it is. Thanks!

A few parting thoughts.

@john_dennis and I suggested you could slow down your video for a "possible" improvement in detail and motion quality. Unfortunately, hat is the only remaining option that I know of. John and I have over 100 years of combined industry experience.

Fortunately though, the issue has nothing to do with our relative experience, technique, or our upload file settings. It's just math, and it's always been the same.

This is the first time you say you have encountered this problem in your 12 years; you are lucky. I've been testing and complaining about bad handling of complex motion video on Youtube and Vimeo for a couple of decades. Unfortunately, it is a brick wall limitation imposed by their upstream servers, and it goes back to the beginnings of internet streaming.

I looked at some of the very successful videos on your family real estate channel. Congratulations, they are commercially top notch. I didn't see any others that had anything near the motion complexity of the clip you are having issues with.

Here is the evidence that the video that Vimeo gives viewers back has 9 times lower bitrate than your upload. The implications for your detail and motion quality go without saying.

Summary; Since we can't control any of that, slowing your video down seems to be the remaining possible option, unless you wish to upload 1280x720 resolution to Vimeo instead. It's just math. I'm pretty sure that is not the answer you wanted, but I haven't any experience in alternative math.

Do drop in and let us know how you handled your problem. I only became aware recently that different levels of experience demand different solutions, regardless of their effectiveness. Something I need to reflect on . . .

Thank your very much. I appreciate the compliment on our work. We love what we do!! I have in the past many many years ago had problems with pixelation, of course only when it comes to grass or flying low. I thought that by some miracle there could be a solution, but slowing that portion down seems to be the best one. I so appreciate everyone in this group as they have always helped me so much! This group is a life saver. Thank you everyone!!! Kim

Another approach you might consider is to shoot high-speed stills if your drone camera can do that. You could stitch them together into a panorama if the lens isn't wide enough. Then use Vegas keyframes to slide and/or zoom them across an hd-sized window for a video. If the camera can also do focus bracketing, that could get your stills of closeup blades of grass as razor-sharp as the background. Light looked pretty good on the lawn & building so you might not need that if you can get 1/250th at f11 or above.

The high bitrate for this video looks to be for everyone. It's unusual because I've been tracking videos across a few years showing the VP9 bitrate has been reduced almost 50% on YouTube. But doesn't look to be true for all videos.

Video
Codec ID                                 : vp09
Duration                                 : 1 min 0 s
Bit rate                                 : 12.5 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Variable
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (59940/1000) FPS

@Former user How did you manage to download your 1080 from YouTube as it will only let me download my 1080s at 720.

It is downloaded from Vimeo, not Youtube :)