@Kimberly-Durecki

1. Lose the NVENC Encoder.
2. Try these settings on the Options tab.
3. If you want to start over with your settings strike the Reset Lozenge.

Info about the file that these settings produce:

General
Complete name                            : JAD 25,30,1,0.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 59.6 MiB
Duration                                 : 13 s 762 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 36.3 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 59.940 FPS
Writing application                      : Voukoder (VEGAS)

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 13 s 731 ms
Bit rate                                 : 36.1 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.291
Stream size                              : 59.1 MiB (99%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 164
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 
/ me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 
/ chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 
/ chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 
/ decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=2 
/ keyint=30 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=30 / rc=crf 
/ mbtree=1 / crf=25.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 
/ aq=1:1.00
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 13 s 762 ms
Source duration                          : 13 s 739 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Nominal bit rate                         : 276 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 320 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Source stream size                       : 463 KiB (1%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

The Vimeo bitrate is about 6Mbit/s and at 1080P60 H.264 the video is too complex for the compression, it would look far worse on YouTube. Based on even an AV1 version I made looking not great either I conclude it may not be possible to make this video look good at standard streaming bitrates unless you make changes to the media such as 2x slow motion in the problem areas.

AV1 version https://litter.catbox.moe/eeo8ft.mp4

@Kimberly-Durecki As I see, you used one of the most difficult scenery for a video codec. That's fast moving same coloured high details.

Also what I can see from your settings is that you used in Voukoder a GPU supported rendertemplate (H.264 NVIDIA NVENC) which will always generate larger files (but also much faster and lower quality) than the default H.264 (x264) render.

Use this one to start and leave the CRF =23

The render will take longer but the filesize will be smaller and with better quality. Despite the high quality you upload to vimeo/youtube, those streaming sites will recompress your upload.

P.S.

Don't forget to turn on Fast Start on the Output Tab.

@Kimberly-Durecki The original file has a very long average GOP of 250.

It also has 3 B frames i.e. IBBBPBBBPBBBPBBBPBBBPBBBPB etc etc.

That may be ok if there isn't lots of movement in a video. Generally speaking if that's the case then best to use Johns suggestions of shorter GOP.

Very scenic, nice.

Besides all the good suggestions about fine tuning Voukoder, @Kimberly-Durecki was very satisfied with the rendering results of Voukoder so far. Only the final result at Vimeo/YouTube is disappointing.

Hi again @Kimberly-Durecki,

In addition to the always-reliabe advice given to you by @john_dennis, I would also lower the CRF in his screen shot to 19 or 20. This will raise your average bitrate to a level that provides a bigger cushion to your "high detail in motion" video, at least for your local playback (but not necessarily on Vimeo or Youtube).

That being said, "High Detail in Motion" video source is notorious as being the Kryptonite of video streaming services, Vimeo actually being one of the better ones. It's in the nature of their upstream processing, which in your case has capped your sustained bitrate to 6Mbps, according to @Former user, and his take on your observations is absolutely correct.

;?)

As he also pointed out, there is very little we editors can do about this, as we are just the tail trying to wag a very large dog.

Fortunately, there is still one thing you can do that should prove to be very effective! That is to slow down your accelerated video motion to 50% speed. This will give Vimeo's lookahead algorithm in their trascoder a better chance to anticipate the next frames, in order to maintain acceptable quality and file sizes for online delivery and sharing.

Are you still doing underwater photography? Coincidentally, this topic of streaming motion detail is one of the reasons I chose your Ducks at Sunrise and your underwater Octopus footage for our comprehensive Tutorial on Vimeo on this same subject in 2015. Always nice to see you on this forum, although it has really changed a lot!

Hello Everyone,

Thank you for all the suggestions. I tried each one and what I found if that my original video on ALL the above new settings was beautiful when viewing in FULL SCREEN also.

The problem still in on Vimeo and Youtube, in FULL SCREEN mode it is a disgrace lol, In a smaller viewing mode it is better but not like how I would like it.

I am at a loss for what to do. My Vimeo links go to my clients so that has to be the best possible.

We film 1080P 60FPS using a DJI Mavic Pro

Any more suggestions? Thank you in advance :)

I shoot and encode hevc myself and get great results uploading to Vimeo and YouTube. But it's all 4k. If you clip out a small snippit of your hd original footage with shutter encoder (cut/split without re-encoding), I'd be happy to take a crack at it.

I shoot and encode hevc myself and get great results uploading to Vimeo and YouTube. But it's all 4k. If you clip out a small snippit of your hd original footage with shutter encoder (cut/split without re-encoding), I'd be happy to take a crack at it.

Hello @howard-Vigorita, As I mentioned a snip it clip is on my original post. Here is a new one with the setting recommended here.

Here is the 12 second clip:
Here is what it looks like on Vimeo: https://vimeo.com/1021797498?share=copy

Here are my settings: H.264 Output mp4

when viewing please view FULL Screen to see what I mean - thanks

@Kimberly-Durecki

Download the Vimeo file that they stream to your customers and post Mediainfo report.

@Kimberly-Durecki

Download the Vimeo file that they stream to your customers and post Mediainfo report.

Hi John, Here is the one on the left that is my original and the one on the right is the Mediainfo from Vimeo that they stream. I really dont know what any of it means, I do see they are stream at a VERY LOW bitrate. How can I fix this? Thank you :)

@Kimberly-Durecki How to Post MediaInfo (in section 1. MEDIAINFO). Example also in John's 1st comment.

I shoot and encode hevc myself and get great results uploading to Vimeo and YouTube. But it's all 4k. If you clip out a small snippit of your hd original footage with shutter encoder (cut/split without re-encoding), I'd be happy to take a crack at it.

As I mentioned a snip it clip is on my original post. Here is a new one with the setting recommended here.

@Kimberly-Durecki I already looked at that one but the MediaInfo says it's already been stepped on by Voukoder. Rendering it again with something else can only make it look worse. Need a snip of the clip unaltered as it came out of the camera to do any different. I usually use ffmpeg but Shutter Encoder can also do that for you if you use the cut/split without re-encoding options. If you're not familiar with Shutter Encoder, here's a screen shot of how you can snip out 12 seconds of the original camera footage without changing it in any other way:

@Kimberly-Durecki

Download the Vimeo file that they stream to your customers and post Mediainfo report.

Hi John, Here is the one on the left that is my original and the one on the right is the Mediainfo from Vimeo that they stream. I really dont know what any of it means, I do see they are stream at a VERY LOW datarate. Thank you :)

Here is the Mediainfo for the original video and the video that I uploaded to Vimeo and then downloaded from vimeo PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO IN FULL SCREEN MODE, thanks!

Original Mediainfo

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\6230 Winkler Mill Road Rochester.mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media
Codec ID                                 : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size                                : 617 MiB
Duration                                 : 2 min 23 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 36.1 Mb/s
Frame rate                               : 59.940 FPS
Writing application                      : Voukoder (VEGAS)

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 3 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 3 frames
Format settings, GOP                     : M=1, N=30
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 2 min 23 s
Bit rate                                 : 35.8 Mb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.288
Stream size                              : 612 MiB (99%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 164
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=umh / subme=10 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.77:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=32 / chroma_me=0 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=0 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=1 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=8 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=30 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=30 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=25.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 2 min 23 s
Source duration                          : 2 min 23 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Nominal bit rate                         : 303 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 320 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Source stream size                       : 5.18 MiB (1%)
Default                                  : Yes
Alternate group                          : 1

Vimeo Mediainfo

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\6230_winkler_mill_road_rochester (1080p).mp4
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : Base Media / Version 2
Codec ID                                 : mp42 (mp42/isom/avc1)
File size                                : 97.3 MiB
Duration                                 : 2 min 23 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 5 688 kb/s
Frame rate                               : 59.940 FPS
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-21 21:06:43 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-21 21:06:43 UTC

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High@L4.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 5 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 5 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 2 min 23 s
Bit rate                                 : 5 494 kb/s
Width                                    : 1 920 pixels
Height                                   : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 59.940 (60000/1001) FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 8 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.044
Stream size                              : 94.0 MiB (97%)
Writing library                          : x264 core 161 r3027 4121277
Encoding settings                        : cabac=1 / ref=5 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=8 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=34 / lookahead_threads=5 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / stitchable=1 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=2 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=infinite / keyint_min=59 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=50 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=20.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=5 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=5500 / vbv_bufsize=15000 / crf_max=0.0 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-21 21:06:43 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-21 21:06:43 UTC
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
mdhd_Duration                            : 143493
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 2 min 23 s
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 192 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 3.24 MiB (3%)
Encoded date                             : 2024-10-21 21:06:43 UTC
Tagged date                              : 2024-10-21 21:06:43 UTC
mdhd_Duration                            : 143552

I shoot and encode hevc myself and get great results uploading to Vimeo and YouTube. But it's all 4k. If you clip out a small snippit of your hd original footage with shutter encoder (cut/split without re-encoding), I'd be happy to take a crack at it.

As I mentioned a snip it clip is on my original post. Here is a new one with the setting recommended here.

@Kimberly-Durecki I already looked at that one but the MediaInfo says it's already been stepped on by Voukoder. Rendering it again with something else can only make it look worse. Need a snip of the clip unaltered as it came out of the camera to do any different. I usually use ffmpeg but Shutter Encoder can also do that for you if you use the cut/split without re-encoding options. If you're not familiar with Shutter Encoder, here's a screen shot of how you can snip out 12 seconds of the original camera footage without changing it in any other way:

Hi, the file would now upload here so here is a download link for 2 of them, these are the files right from the drone. Thank you!

https://we.tl/t-0gf5LE7Mpu

@Kimberly-Durecki

Vimeo is limiting the bit rate with this expression:

 / vbv_maxrate=5500 / vbv_bufsize=15000

You're never going to get that kind of complexity to look crisp at:

Bit rate                                 : 5 494 kb/s

Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.044

Slow down your shots.

If you enter those parameters into your Voukoder options you can preview how it will look to your viewers without going to the trouble of uploading to Vimeo,

I slowed your source to twice as long and added the parameters to my Voukoder options and the leaves were not clear.

You can download it here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fSOktd1b34GMSjm-UG9AUCFKNoA912Bt/view?usp=sharing

If slowing down your rapid motion video isn't an option for you or doesn't help with what you are seeing, I am out of ideas, but best of luck!

Vimeo turns your video into pixelated mess, but what you could do is presoften so the encoder doesn't pixelate it, Here's an example that borders on ridiculous using noise reduction, also perhaps you encode at a lower resolution such as 1600x900, then re-encode to 1080P for upload so encoder is working with less data, although you may not want to because you like the smoothness of the 60p, could reduce that to 30p, encoder will like that also

H.264 1080P60 using 5500mbit/s(simulating Vimeo) softened with Noise reduction https://litter.catbox.moe/drk0me.mp4

If slowing down your rapid motion video isn't an option for you or doesn't help with what you are seeing, I am out of ideas, but best of luck!

Been doing this for 12 years and now all of a sudden I have a problem uhhhh

Been doing this for 12 years and now all of a sudden I have a problem uhhhh

The problem you see, but which I don't find horrible, exists in some of your other videos that I've looked at. Such as https://vimeo.com/1017702308. Look at the roofs and brickwork in the opening shots. It's worse than your current video.