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TeetimeNC wrote on 5/27/2016, 6:24 PM
Hey Peter, wagonwheel to ya!

VegasMAGIX, not bad. Much better than "Vegas-Now You See It, Now You Don't" ;-)

BTW, I recently did a shoot for an organization whose executive director is from down under. Super nice lady.

Jerry
http://www.takeonesolutions.com
Photography • Video
Aiki wrote on 5/27/2016, 6:29 PM
Former user EDIT / AUDODESK when the ripple function was turned he changed color and each clip had its color. Edit was a wonderful and Vegas Pro software comes close slightly. EDIT The audio mix function was not easy and efficient as that of Vegas Pro. MAGIX programmers should look for a version of EDIT, install it and be inspired.

Ancien utilisateur de EDIT/AUDODESK, quand la fonction ripple était en fonction il changeait de couleur et chaque clip avait sa couleur. Edit était un merveilleux logiciel et Vegas Pro s'en rapproche un peu. La fonction de mix audio EDIT était simple et efficace pas comme celui de Vegas Pro. Les programmeurs de MAGIX devrait chercher un version de EDIT, l'installer et s'en inspirer.
MikeyDH wrote on 5/27/2016, 6:37 PM
Thanks for the great effort, Gary. I'd like to see more education as the software is developed to the new technology that Wolfgang foresees. Its a bear to go to the new thing taking learning steps forward, but then having to take them back to ingest it all.
cinefilm wrote on 5/27/2016, 6:51 PM
I've used vegas pro to edit 2 feature films, both were theatrically distributed in our province. Some people only assume it is for the "hobbyist consumer"
rmack350 wrote on 5/27/2016, 7:00 PM
Vegas has the ingredients for this but the implementation was a bit hit and miss. In the Vegas Explorer window you can chose to display regions within a clip. The regions' heads and tail marks are adjustable in the trimmer or if you drop them onto the timeline then you can easily adjust the heads and tails there as well. This was a feature from way back.

A subclip feature was added later. Like Premiere ( I guess) it sets hard ins and outs on the subclip. I think this allows certain FX to function properly on it.

One of the problems with subclips (at least when I created a bin containing the subclip and then copied the bin to a new project a moment ago) is that any custom name you gave the subclip will revert back to a default name in the new destination project. That makes it a pretty raw deal if you're working on a big documentary with multiple project files.

So, why would you want subclips and why would you want custom names? Well, first of all suppose you just want to give meaningful names to all your footage other than what came out of the camera? You could do that by making subclips of entire media files. Or, if you have long rambling interviews with specific little bits you know you'll use you can create subclips of those bits as well. You can also pop them into bins if you like. What you can't easily do is drag out the heads and tails, nor can you copy them to a new timeline and retain a name you gave them.

You also can't place those regions you see in the Vegas Explorer into bins. They're effectively locked away from media management, although they usually can travel with the copied media into new projects. So, pick your poison. It'd be nice if subclips were more maleable than they are, certainly.

Rob
set wrote on 5/27/2016, 7:22 PM
Forwarding wishlists from local community (just translate & forwarding their wishlists):

1. VCD MPEG1 encoding still prefer from Vegas Pro 9 and previous version, because the new VCD MPEG1 encoding in Vegas Pro 10 above makes the file incompatible and file size is too large for a CD (for his area, VCD is still more preferred...)

2. Vegas tends to scale up or down any video size or picture size. Perhaps in the future, there's a switch for disabling 'always fit to frame's size'?

3. Color adjusting is less-sensitive. Different when using mac-based editors.

4. Upgrade the text tool. For editing the very small text, it is quite challenging. And the animations were a bit outdated. According to them, the interface are too complex.

5. LUT feature.
NickHope wrote on 5/27/2016, 9:15 PM
Media Manager is far from forgotten here. I have 24k fully organised and tagged items in it. It could do with some improvements as linked in my earlier post, but it very much works with all versions of Vegas in Windows 10.

With the number of people asking for a visual indicator that Auto Ripple is on, please think more broadly about "Alarm" or "Warning" functionality. Perhaps new exclamation mark icons which we can set to warn us about all sorts of things. You'd be able to set the colour and flashing frequency. Alternatively just implement the ability to change the "ON" or "OFF" colour of any button. Different background colour or cursor shape are good ideas too, as mentioned above.

The 3 things that always catch me out and make me tut followed by CRTL-Z are:

- Auto Ripple is ON
- Quantize to Frames is OFF (easy to wreck a project without realising)
- Sync Cursor to Media Timeline is ON (many a time I've been scratching my head as to why an FX isn't working, only to realise that it's been applied as a keyframe further along the timeline)

Also, I've often wished there was a post-edit UNRIPPLE keyboard shortcut. Like the inverse of CTRL-F. Might be pretty simple to implement.
Robert W wrote on 5/28/2016, 3:28 AM
I've got some simple ones. I am using the last version of Vegas 12 but I believe most of these are still issues in 13 :

- File requesters that do not change to the directory of the last file you opened with any other file requester. I.e. if I use the 'Open Project' requester, when I next go to use the 'Import' function it should default to the last directory I imported files from, not the last folder I opened a project from.

- Native .Mov handling without installing Quicktime. This has become more pressing now Quicktime is reportedly not receiving updates and has a growing list of security flaws. At present I have to run all .Movs through FFmpeg to switch them to an MP4 header.

- Restore/move essential configuration items from the 'advanced' menu. E.g. there used to be an option that disabled displaying video in the preview window during project rendering. That could do with either being in the main preferences window or on the preview window and being able to be enabled and disabled during rendering.

- An 'Are you sure?' requester on the 'Cancel' button for the 'Rendering' dialog. Even better, an effective locking system that means you can not cancel a render unless you have entered a specific code or similar. I have lost a few renders due to accidental single mouse clicks and key presses on unattended systems.

- A policy that prioritizes addressing existing critical bugs and stability over development of new features. One of the most frustrating things about Vegas over the last ten years has been that there have been major bug fixes introduced only in new major releases necessitating buying a new release, when multiple revisions preceding free revisions have ignored the problem. For example, the last revision of Vegas 12 has some massive issues handling larger images, particularly when it comes to compositing and keyframe animation (elemental spontaneously disappearing or flickering to the wrong location). These problems extend to the titler plugin, so I suspect it is something to do with the compositing engine. I do not know if this is resolved in Vegas 13, but I should not have to buy a new major release to get basic functionality that should have been working in the last major release. In short, buying a new major release should be motivated by new functionality, not to get broken bits of the last major release working.

- It might be useful to add some qualitative information to the error messages, particularly when it comes to missing plugins. At present you just just a meaningless long number that does not help when you are trying to import a legacy project.

- The ability to check the requirements of a project in terms of plugins and versions would be really useful when importing a legacy project.

- A 32 bit plugin wrapper would also be incredibly useful when trying to restore legacy projects.

Robert W wrote on 5/28/2016, 3:42 AM
Another feature that would massively help my workflow with my Youtube vlog would be a new capture tool that works reliably with web cams, other cameras and audio devices. I've got a Logitech 920 webcam that produces passable video for vlog purposes. It delivers a native H264 stream at 1080p, and lets the capturing app encode at all other resolutions. The current Vegas capture apps just fall over whenever you try to capture. It would great to be able to specify the cam as the capture source, specify an audio capture device and the channel format and frame rate, and then just shoot the video and have it go into the time line.

My current workflow uses a horrible third party app that only produces low quality mono audio streams and seemingly random frame rates.
VidMus wrote on 5/28/2016, 8:33 AM
One of my greatest difficulties is when there are two clips adjacent to each other, it can be very difficult to grab the edge of the one I actually want. The cursor will show the proper symbols as to what it is selecting but only in an extremely brief way making it difficult to grab what I want.

So if I want to grab the edge of the second event to drag it over the first event, I have to struggle to get ahold of it instead of the edge of the first event. And then the (I cannot remember the name of things) thing to fade in or fade out gets grabbed when I do not want them. And sometimes I actually want one of them and end-up easily grabbing the wrong one.

Even when I zoom in, it can be very difficult at times.

So what is needed is something easy to grab ahold of in order to manipulate what happens between two clips. Better handles on the clips to grab what one actually wants.

I hope I explained this so it makes sense.

www.dannyfye.com

Grazie wrote on 5/28/2016, 8:40 AM
+ VidMus. I've asked for a better region of GRAB.

G
VidMus wrote on 5/28/2016, 9:13 AM
+ Grazie. You gotta love those GRAB's. Big Grin!
Cosmin_Gurau wrote on 5/28/2016, 9:57 AM
AESTHETICS

-Slider to set UI lightness/darkness
-Icon revamp
-General interface eye-candy revamp (Vegas needs to look like a 21st Century piece of software - your Video Pro is not a bad reference, for that matter)


BUG FIXES

Universal Bugs
-Improve general program stability
-Fix export as: vegas project archive (highly buggy even for simple projects)
-Fix export as: final cut/after effects/premiere/omf (they almost NEVER work, as noticed by... absolutely everybody. Either fix them so they work RELIABLY or remove them altogether)
-Fix selecting multiple events in timeline using the Selection Edit Tool when after selecting one group, holding CTRL then trying to select another group (https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/976336)
-Fix bug where after copying a video event with one aspect ratio and then pasting its attributes to another event with a different aspect ratio, the crop/pan is messed up until project reload/vegas restart
-When cutting an event, moving it on another track, then moving the timeline cursor, the split function stops working, (probably the timeline becomes unfocused somehow) pressing S does nothing (in theory it should split all tracks or only the selected track), and the user is forced to click somewhere in the timeline again in order to re-enable the ability to split
-Importing "too much" ProRes content consistently and absolutely crashes Vegas

Possibly non-universal bugs
-Fix bug when the first time(it only happens the first time) you try to save a project and you create a folder from the "save as" dialog, Vegas crashes and exits


USER INTERFACE CHANGES

-Ability to right-click copy and paste individual or multiple selected effects from event/media/track/master effects chain, directly to other chains or on selected events in timeline
(be it generated, video or audio events), while keeping current "Paste attributes" and "Save plug-in chain" functionality
-Ability to tick-disable the "double-click on event edge" expand track layers behavior
-Ability to tick-disable the automatic smart/force resample of all video events, making it the default behavior
-Ability to lock a whole track, the way you can lock an event


NEW FEATURES

-Improved primary color correction tools
-Improved secondary color correction tools (better precision, a choke option like in BorisFX would be nice)

-A Cursor Video Scrub feature for the Project Media panel (like Premiere, or Catalyst)
-An improved Nested timeline (timeline in timeline) feature(like in Catalyst)
-An "audio gain" option, with a slider and precise value entering, in the properties section for every audio event, right next to normalize
-A way to move (left or right) multiple cuts on a single or multiple events
-An integrated, GPU accelerated LUT support with a slider for mixing original with processed

-Implementing an After-Effects grade real motion blur option for Track Motion (current motion blur is just dreadful!)
-More track composting modes (like Color, for example - After Effects is a good reference)
-Add more functionality for tweaking keyframes in "Expand Track Keyframes" mode (linear/smooth/slow/etc)
-Add ability to select multiple Track Motion keyframes (perhaps a new tool?), even when unexpanded, even on multiple tracks at the same time
-Add more functionality for "Titles and Text" and "(Legacy) Text (the latter is still BETTER, I never use the new one) - more compatibility with font sizes and thickness,
the ability to individually change color of each character, better rendering for text in general (antialiasing, character spacing,etc) - After Effects is, in this regard, a very good example
-Add timecode/time display for audio events too!


IMPORTANT UNDER-THE-HOOD IMPROVEMENTS

-Make it so that disabling video FX (split screen view button) actually turns off the effects, as there are lots of cases when I can playback in realtime the timeline with no effects applied, and at only half that with them applied, but seemingly turned off via the split screen view button
-Develop a new, (multiple) GPU powered (CUDA / OpenCL) rendering engine that can handle consistent, high quality real-time preview playback and fast, no-flaw inducing render
-Permanently solve the insanely aggravating h.264 gamma issue (the one that needs to be compensated with the "Computer RGB to Studio RGB Levels" preset when rendering) - what you see is what you get
-Implement a different way to handle chroma sub-sampling, especially with codecs like h.264 (https://forums.creativecow.net/thread/24/982957)
-Dramatically improve the rendering engine and its presets/custom settings dialog (for ex. doing away with limits like the Sony AVC/MVC 25.999.360 bps cap)

PRODUCT BRAND SUGGESTIONS

-Market Vegas Pro as a real Pro tool, capable of handling almost all post-production needs from start to finish, target it at industry professionals (like Blackamgic does with its new "all in one" approach with Davinci Resolve) more than at hobbyists and videographers, using an aggressive campaign, even possibly changing the product's name (at this point, unfortunately, Vegas Pro is -ignorantly- regarded as Windows Movie Maker on steroids by most workers in the industry)
-Insist on the unmatched, unique, superb AUDIO capabilities of the NLE
-Decide on a recognizable, non-generic, cool looking logo and STICK WITH IT (the current one is meh to say the least, IMHO version 11 had the best logo (different strategy, cameras, I know), but an even better one can be designed)
-Choose to be represented by the very best available production house video reels out there that use Vegas, for example Lavette Film (great reel), straying away from mediocrity and plain cheesiness (BORIS FX's way of promoting itself is a very good negative example) Such action will not alienate hobbyists, low budget indie filmmakers and low-level pros, as they are much more concerned with an easy to use interface (at which Vegas excels at) and would very much like to be associated with a high quality product that promises high quality results.
-Insist on the fact that ease of use does not mean lack of powerful features, find a way to market Vegas as "the most powerful all-in-one NLE solution that has the flattest learning curve of them all"
-Buzz must be generated in the young professionals community. If you can make "No Film School"-like websites pay attention to your product and take it seriously, you are in the game.
Mindmatter wrote on 5/28/2016, 10:14 AM
+1 to almost every suggestion made so far.
my humble additions:

* the ability to color entire tracks, like in cubase, not just the track header on the left
* a clearer distiction in look and color of audio and video tracks
* while you're at it - more and nicer colors please

* please, please, pleeeeaaase, fix the eternally annoying preview!

Give it the option to use a separate card or even specially designed, dedicated card for the preview only!! ( Edius now has its own preview card!!)
I LOVE vegas but working with a framerate of 8 fps in the preview as soon as there's a couple of FX going is just prehistoric. I upgraded to a really fast PC especially for Vegas and its lame preview last year, it didn't even help...

AMD Ryzen 9 5900X, 12x 3.7 GHz
32 GB DDR4-3200 MHz (2x16GB), Dual-Channel
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070, 8GB GDDR6, HDMI, DP, studio drivers
ASUS PRIME B550M-K, AMD B550, AM4, mATX
7.1 (8-chanel) Surround-Sound, Digital Audio, onboard
Samsung 970 EVO Plus 250GB, NVMe M.2 PCIe x4 SSD
be quiet! System Power 9 700W CM, 80+ Bronze, modular
2x WD red 6TB
2x Samsung 2TB SSD

Wolfgang S. wrote on 5/28/2016, 11:20 AM
I would be happy if the available Blackmagic and AJA cards would be supported better, instead of HD up to UHD 50p/60p if the card supports that.

But the poor playback capabilities for UHD even with easy formats like Cineform or even XAVC are an issue really! And you are right - that is true for powerfull high end machines too.

Desktop: PC AMD 3960X, 24x3,8 Mhz * GTX 3080 Ti * Blackmagic Extreme 4K 12G * Atomos Sumo * QNAP Max8 10 Gb Lan * Blackmagic Pocket 6K Pro, EVA1, FS7

Laptop: ProArt Studiobook 16 OLED (H7600, 12th Gen Intel) with internal HDR preview on the laptop monitor

Chienworks wrote on 5/28/2016, 2:40 PM
"-General interface eye-candy revamp (Vegas needs to look like a 21st Century piece of software - your Video Pro is not a bad reference, for that matter)"

Unfortunately i couldn't disagree more, sorry. Keep it looking like Windows 98, 'cause that's the simplest, most obvious level of interface Windows ever had. All the changes since then have made functionality more obscure.

I couldn't give a hoot what Vegas looks like. What i care about is how easy it is to spot the thing i want to click and then click it. "21st century" software fails at this miserably.
videoITguy wrote on 5/28/2016, 3:06 PM
One of the greatest PLUS factors with Magix original Video edit software when it came out with Windows98, it then had the right GUI for the time, and the right feature set as well.

Since then Magix tweaked the GUI to death and it looks horrible and suffers looking professional today.

Don't encourage Magix to tweak VegasPro GUI - it will certainly become a mess.

Anyone looking at the latest VegasPro Connect GUI have anything to say about that piece of the puzzle?????
TechExprss wrote on 5/28/2016, 4:19 PM

-Fix integration with HitFilm so you aren't locked to a specific version.
-Full native support of more codecs like DNx, Cineform, ProRes etc. so we don't have to rely on QuickTime or Video for Windows.
max8 wrote on 5/28/2016, 5:04 PM
- Full support for P2-clips:

1. Clips spanning multiple mxf-files are not recognized as one single event like in most other NLEs.
2. Timecode sometimes does not work for clips spanning multiple mxf-files (no seamless increase at the transition between files, TC may jump to +5 mins). Obsolte if no. 1 could be solved.
3. Sometimes all events are displayed as a solid green video.

- Support for LTC-timecode in audio tracks/files.

- Ability to merge - not group - events (with same properties, of course!) that do not originate from the same event / file.

- Markers with numbers above 99 (although those may not be accessible by typing two digits on the keyboard).
- Command Markers with numbers.
- Jump to a marker in the timeline by clicking on the corresponding entry in the list.
- Different types / colors of markers.
monoparadox wrote on 5/28/2016, 6:00 PM
Gary, that's good news. With the list of possibilities being generated and IF MAGIX pursues them, you'll be a busy man until retirement :-)

-- tom
winrockpost wrote on 5/28/2016, 6:59 PM
don't screw it up, and throw away what its not meant to be, stuff which sony put wasted time in......it is an edit software with great audio features...
oh and if you are Santa fix the old ignored bugs...
Kit wrote on 5/28/2016, 7:50 PM
+1 For better File requesting: Saving, opening and importing are separate events and should be tracked separately. I ended up using AutoHotKey to help me quickly change locations because of the irritating way Vegas just uses the last location for all events.

Please overhaul the dialogue for missing/offline files. It hasn't be changed in years. The Search for missing files should at least allow the user to specify a directory rather than having to search an entire drive. Thanks.
Kit wrote on 5/28/2016, 7:51 PM
+1 Great suggestion VidMus, better Grabs a must!
set wrote on 5/28/2016, 9:59 PM
Forwarding wishlist from other forum:
- Good curves tool
- Good white balance tool
- exposure tool
- highlights/shadows tool
- LUT tool
- fix the prores/2gb memory limit file surrogate issue that causes crashing
- some sort of media encoding/batch converting tool

- Ability to set Disable Resample as default.