Like the black program menu bars but current version (302) is much slower than 21 or 22 when using stills and pan/crop effect. Hope a fix in coming soon (version 356 did not fix it).

I dual-boot and can run both or either, (within the limits of project versions). I'm currently still starting all my projects in 22. I don't crank out a video every day like many people have to do.

I continue to use 22. VP-23 rendering is slower, the preview is not smooth with same v22 settings (at least on my PCs) and legacy text titles are way off center. I do not like the redesigned render UI either. There are few UI changes I do like though. Try out the trial version as was stated,.. you may like v23.

I just upgraded to 22 a year ago. Is 23 much better than 22? Faster?

Renderings with NVENC supported templates are faster, in VP22 a small 2 min testproject with 4k50 HEVC footage renders to 4k50 HEVC with an average of 37 fps and in VP23 this project renders to 4k50 HEVC with an average of 53 fps. As @fr0sty advised, it's best to find out yourself with a trial version of VP23 the pros and cons, since the performance of VP23 relies very on used hardware and used video formats.

I recently finished a project that that a ton of tracks, images, some video and effects in VP23 B302. One feature that I used a lot was incremental saves. I had, by the time I finished, 45. I just didn't quite trust VP23. As for rendering, I've posted in the past that VP22 renders faster. But rendering speed is one of those things I only slightly care about. I will spend weeks editing. A few more minutes in rendering is no the end of my world. I remember when rendering a video would take hours over night, hoping the PC will not crash and have to start over.

But, I also have VP22-18 still installed if I need them. I will continue to work in VP23 though.

I tried the Trial of VP23 & render was one ½ slower than it was in VP22, whether that had anything to do with the added logo in the trial I don't know but I posted about it here - https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vp22-vs-vp23-rendering-speed-vp23-slower-than-vp22--149593/?page=1

One month trial wasn't really long enough to test it properly but I do believe the slight stutter on cut & then crossfaded clips still occurs in VP23, Rendering speed & the crossfade are important to me, therefore there was nothing that made me want to upgrade, I'm still using VP22.

PS. the posts made by others about things like timeline cursor not playing & ProRes problems etc, don't help, I'm not prepared to go through another new release to see what works & what doesn't when I have VP22 that does work & is the most stable version I've ever had.

Envelope editing is still more laborious and clunky for me with vp23 than vp22. But b356 improved it enough over b302 that I was able to do my last envelope-intensive audio-only concert project with it. There's a new bug in b356 envelope editing that locks up the play head but it only seems to rear it's head when audio track heights are resized... which I managed to avoid by not doing that.

In previous 2hr concert shoots I used vp22 for the audio phase, moving the mixdown to vp23 b302 for multicam video edits. 3 of my cameras shoot 10bit hevc 4:2:0 which vp23 previews and renders are much quicker than vp22 with Nvidia 4090 and 5080 gpus. I also find the vp23 UI used by explorer, render, and cgp so much better that I'm looking forward to the day I can stop using vp22 at all. My only gripe is that the Nvidia vp23 presets set gop to 250 which is much harder to work with if used as an intermediate for further editing.

@Sean-Lester In your situation, i would suggest continue using Vegas Pro 22.

Vegas 23 is full of bugs. The auto play button not come back to play mode after reopen vegas.

The LEGACY explorer was dissapear. So if you have custom folder will dissapear, custom folder with custom icons dissapear.

The default explorer have a critical bug so if you change the size of the left tree tab for hide the massive folder tree, after close vegas, vegas set back the default mode with the super massive folder tree in the left. (In vegas 22 the legacy explorer not have that super bug)

And vegas 23 from the version 302 not get updates in several months, probably will appear vegas pro 24 before fix vegas 23. Vegas 24 will be launch this year so probably vegas 23 not will get updates.

Vegas 23 is full of bugs.

Ummm... no it's not! Does it have some bugs? Yes - just like ALL ofther NLEs. But full of them? 23 is the most stable version I've used in years.

And vegas 23 from the version 302 not get updates in several months, probably will appear vegas pro 24 before fix vegas 23. Vegas 24 will be launch this year so probably vegas 23 not will get updates.

Why do you say that? Do you have some inside knowledge that the rest of us don't? I'm betting there will be another release within the next month or so. Personally, build 356 is working great for me even though 302 is now the "current" version.

Vegas 23 is full of bugs.

Ummm... no it's not! Does it have some bugs? Yes - just like ALL ofther NLEs. But full of them? 23 is the most stable version I've used in years.

I can fully confirm this—I've been working with it for several hours every day since December 1 and haven't had a single crash or freeze. I'm on build 302. Unfortunately, this wasn't the case with previous versions. I've been using Vegas since version 11.
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Vegas Pro 23 is terrible; it's simply impossible to work with .mov files for intros, transitions, and other elements because the software doesn't work well with alpha channels (QuickTime or ProRes) and has many unresolved bugs.

Vegas Pro 23 is terrible; it's simply impossible to work with .mov files for intros, transitions, and other elements because the software doesn't work well with alpha channels (QuickTime or ProRes) and has many unresolved bugs.

@LUCAS-OLIVEIRA and yet I'm using it for all of my editing with ProRes files with Alpha Channel and virtually no crashes. Yes, there are a few bugs (as with ALL software) and, yes, there are some alpha channel issues. However to say that it "doesn't work well with alpha channels" across the board is incorrect and to say it "is terrible" is also incorrect. To say YOU are having some issues with it is fine but simply saying "many unresolved bugs" does not indicate what issues YOU are having.

Sadly @LUCAS-OLIVEIRA that's well known for ProRes at present. 356 fixed some issues with ProRes but then introduced others (and then was withdrawn anyway). MOV formats relying on the old Quicktime decoder aren't so reliable.

For alternatives MagicYUV still seems to work fine. https://www.magicyuv.com/

Looking for opinions on going from VP 22 to 23.

I just upgraded to 22 a year ago. Is 23 much better than 22? Faster? Pros and cons?

Thanks

VP23 works great for me. Stability is the best ever for any version I've had since starting on Vegas 6 long, long, ago. Literally no crashes or freezes since I installed VP23 on Black Friday. My system includes an Nvidia RTX5080 card. Most of us would put stability as issue #1 .. So I give VP23 five stars or ten stars or whatever.

@xberk what media are you using, Vegas is very sensitive to the media when it comes to stability. I use Sony XAVCS which is very Vegas friendly.

At the moment, VP22 can be the better choice. However, it is VP23 that has the new video engine. And the further development will take place for VP23 only, as we had that in the past.

But we have no news yet, when another update of VP23 will be available.

Despite the new video engine in VP23, VP22 renders still faster with Voukoder classic than with the NVENC rendertemplates in VP22 and VP23. A small intro project with some titling, PIPfx and Pan/Crop zooming made with VP22 and with 4k50 HEVC footage, rendered respectively to 4k50 HEVC with NV support in VP22 with Voukoder classic:

with VP22 HEVC NV (still using older NVIDIA driver):

and with VP23 HEVC NV:

Make your choice!

ps my earlier rendertest in this thread was just made with some HEVC 4k50 footage without FX etc. In that case VP23 renders faster than VP22.