Rendering tests on new desktop with Intel i7 11700k and RTX 3060 TI

JaredF wrote on 4/12/2021, 2:56 PM

I recently purchased a new Dell XPS desktop, and today I was able to put it through a few rendering tests using Vegas Pro 18 build 482. The computer has the new 11th-gen Intel i7 11700K processor, 32 GB Ram, and Nvidia RTX 3060 Ti gpu with latest studio drivers.

For my test I used a 60-second 4K clip from my Canon C70. Clip info: 3840x2160 resolution, 23.98 frame rate, XF-AVC codec, recorded in Long GOP.

For my test I added a basic camera correction LUT to the clip (tetraheral interpolation) and that was it. Project was set at 3840x2160, 32 bit floating point.

I rendered to 3840x2160 using three different encoders: NVENC, Intel QSV and Mainconcept AVC. In each case I rendered the file using a constant bit rate of 50mbps and the high profile.

Rendering results for the one-minute clip:

Intel QSV
Rendering time: 1:44
Frames per second: 13.8

NVENC
Rendering time: 1:45
Frame per second: 13.7

Mainconcept:
Rendering time: 3:20
Frames per second: 7.2

I suppose I’m surprised the Intel and NVENC rendering time were almost exactly the same. The six-year-old computer I upgraded from did this test at about 1 frame per second, so in any case it’s a significant upgrade for me.

Comments

walter-i. wrote on 4/12/2021, 3:31 PM

Would you like to take part in the benchmarking project?
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/benchmarking-results-continued--118503/

JaredF wrote on 4/12/2021, 7:53 PM

Sure, I ran some tests using the benchmarking project. Here are the results:
 

User Name: JaredF
Machine: Dell XPS
VP Version: 18
VP Build Number: 482
CPU: Intel i7 11700K
Cores: 8
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3060 TI
iGPU: UHD 750
OC: No
Render Frame Size: FHD
HW Acc: Nvidia
Render as: Magix AVC
Envode Mode: NVENC
Render time: 0:48

User Name: JaredF
Machine: Dell XPS
VP Version: 18
VP Build Number: 482
CPU: Intel i7 11700K
Cores: 8
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3060 TI
iGPU: UHD 750
OC: No
Render Frame Size: FHD
HW Acc: Nvidia
Render as: Magix AVC
Endode Move: Intel QSV
Render time 0:46

User Name: JaredF
Machine: Dell XPS
VP Version: 18
VP Build Number: 482
CPU: Intel i7 11700K
Cores: 8
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3060 TI
iGPU: UHD 750
OC: No
Render Frame Size: UHD
HW Acc: Nvidia
Render as: Magix AVC
Envode Mode: NVENC
Render time: 1:20

User Name: JaredF
Machine: Dell XPS
VP Version: 18
VP Build Number: 482
CPU: Intel i7 11700K
Cores: 8
GPU: Nvidia RTX 3060 TI
iGPU: UHD 750
OC: No
Render Frame Size: UHD
HW Acc: Nvidia
Render as: Magix AVC
Endode Move: Intel QSV
Render time 1:19

JaredF wrote on 4/12/2021, 8:57 PM

So at this point it looks like render speed of NVENC vs. QSV is basically a wash. Is there any consensus about whether one results in a higher quality render than the other?

TheRhino wrote on 4/12/2021, 11:41 PM

0:48 for FHD & 1:20 for UHD match the results I got testing a Nvidia 3060 Ti in my 9900K workstation:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/nvidia-3060-ti-vegas-18-benchmarks--126075/#ca786277

It looks like the 8-core 11700K & 3060 Ti are a good modern & affordable combo for Vegas 18 since Vegas has always responded better to core speed vs. core count...

However, the scarcity of the 3xxx GPUs is forcing people to choose ready-built systems vs. DIY.. For others considering the Dell XPS SE desktop, note that there is (1) M.2 for the OS and (2) 2.5" and (1) 3.5" available bays/SATA ports for internal storage. The (1) x16 PCIe is for the GPU, leaving you a PCIe x1 and PCIe x4 for internal expansion and (1) USB-C and (7) USB 3.1 ports for external expansion.

Explanation of the XPS' storage configuration: https://www.dell.com/support/manuals/en-us/xps-8940-desktop/xps-8940-setup-and-specifications/storage?guid=guid-a00459e0-2a64-449c-9f02-581bf2e3c2cf&lang=en-us

Forum discussing upgrading the XPS with better cooling so it does not throttle-down during long renders:
https://www.dell.com/community/XPS-Desktops/XPS-8940-Better-cooler/td-p/7690322

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

JN- wrote on 4/13/2021, 5:01 AM

@JaredF If you would like your results added to the Benchmarking project, just do a copy and paste to that thread. If you do that, consider also getting your Average FPS results for the "region 1" section in the project, it will be the same result for all 4 entries, so you only need to do it once, and so enter the same value in all of your 4 entries.

Study carefully the steps needed to do so. Note also to set Dynamic Ram Preview to zero, from it's normal default of 200 for the duration of the test. Attempt to get the result with as few passes as possible, as even with DR set to 0, it will still "learn" from previous round trips.

The link is in my signature.

There's also a link in my signature to render quality metrics tables that shows Nvenc is better than Qsv.

However, this mainly applies to UHD testing. In the FHD testing there's not that much in it, Nvenc hevc still has the edge though, see below.

UHD ...

FHD ...

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

JN- wrote on 4/13/2021, 7:15 AM

@JaredF OTOH All of my render quality comparisons were at best done with Intels UHD 630 iGpu. It’s possible that the UHD 750 has improved. If you are interested in finding this out, I can send you via dropbox the FHD source file that I used for previous tests.

It would require you to render the 27 second source file out using QSV to a fixed data rate and file size, as close as is possible, to figures I will give you, I understand that it’s never possible to get it to perfectly match data rates and file sizes.

You would then make available the 27s QSV rendered out file for download and I would then do the Render Quality testing, and update my tables accordingly.

There is a quality setting, 1 to 7, for QSV in the most recent iGpu's. I always made sure to set this to highest quality, the scale may have changed?

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

RogerS wrote on 4/13/2021, 7:22 AM

It would be very interesting to know if the quality has changed.

JaredF wrote on 4/13/2021, 8:34 AM

A little busy the rest of the week, but I'll look into the FPS test and QSV render test when I have time later this month. Thanks for all the info.

A question for JN, Rhino and others: At what Dynamic Ram Preview do you generally edit with for best timeline playback and overall performance?

JN- wrote on 4/13/2021, 9:30 AM

@JaredF I always leave it at 200, unless on say my 4 core laptop for example, which has to be set to zero to complete the benchmarking uhd part, or similar media.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

JN- wrote on 4/13/2021, 9:37 AM

@JaredF I see you have posted your results in the benchmarking thread. Ok, I’ll hold of posting them until you update your benchmarking FPS results, thanks.

In the meantime I’ll upload the spreadsheets to the download zip location with your results posted today.

I will post a message in the benchmarking thread later when done.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

JaredF wrote on 4/13/2021, 9:49 AM

Sure, no problem, I ran the FPS test with dynamic ram preview at 0 and the best result I got was an AVG of 12.5. But honestly, the results seemed all over the place each time I tried it. Often I got AVG of 9.5. Not sure why the difference.

JaredF wrote on 4/13/2021, 9:55 AM

I suppose the number that really matters to me is real-time playback of highest quality Canon C70 footage, which is XF-AVC, All-I, 10-bit,4096x2160 at 23.97 frame rate, with a basic Camera LUT applied. With this I'm getting no worse than 11 to 12fps playback on the timeline all the time in Best Full (same for Best Auto interestingly) and sometimes it goes all the way up to 23.97.

RogerS wrote on 4/13/2021, 10:00 AM

I don't think there is any setting in Vegas that will further improve performance. Perhaps future updates or versions of Vegas will change that.

Otherwise, bypass the LUT, switch to preview/full for fluid playback, create a proxy file, etc.

JN- wrote on 4/13/2021, 10:29 AM

@JaredF “Often I got AVG of 9.5. Not sure why the difference.” Anyway, pick a number, it’s difficult to pin down, we have no more scientific, programming way of detecting the avg. fps values than you eyeballing it. Give it your best shot and post, update in the benchmarking thread when u have the time.

It appears likely that the next update will bring improvement to XAVC playback.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

JaredF wrote on 4/14/2021, 8:19 AM

A big update on my Vegas Pro 18 tests using the new Intel 11th Gen processor:

I was impressed with the rendering test results I was getting on the new computer, but surprised at the mediocre real-time playback I was getting with 4K footage on my timeline. So I started to think through bottlenecks and whether this could be a case of user error.

I’m happy to report that it was a case of user error.

What I finally realized is that while I’ve been playing back 4K footage off a very capable external SSD, it’s connected to the computer using a USB-C to USB-A adapter cord, as my old system didn’t have a USB-C connection. This adapter cord turned out to be the bottleneck. 

I transferred the same 4K All-I 23.98 footage to the computer’s internal SSD drive, and I now get perfect 4K playback at 23.98 frames per second. I also get perfect or very close to perfect playback off the internal HDD.

This leaves me much more satisfied with both the new computer and Vegas Pro 18.

Out of curiosity, I reran all the rendering tests using the benchmark file. The results didn’t change using the internal SSD except for one second faster using QSV encoder. So apparently there wasn’t much of a bottleneck there. (Results updated above.)

One final note to this complicated saga is that a USB-C to USB-A adapter cord isn't necessarily unusable. In my case, the cord was USB-C to the slower USB-A Gen2, which I never even noticed until it created this problem. I just tested it and an adapter cord with USB3 seems to work fine. Moral is, mind your cords.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 4/14/2021, 2:20 PM

@JaredF curious if you tried selecting different "hardware decoder to use" choices in the File I/O tab (Nvidia NVDEC, Intel QSV, or None) and whether any cause decoder utilization to show up in the Task Manager performance charts for Intel or Nvidia gpus. I don't think Vegas can use decoder hardware for XF-AVC footage but if it can, that would be great. And might give you better performance if the decoding and encoding were not done at the same time on the same gpu.

JaredF wrote on 4/14/2021, 3:05 PM

Interesting question, and not something I would have known to check.

Under "Hardware decoder to use" the auto selection defaults to "Intel QSV." When I check the task manager during timeline playback, GPU shows up as 5% or 6%, fluctuating a bit. During rendering this goes up to 20% to 30%. There's also a note under GPU engine that says "GPU 1- copy" or "GPU 1-3D" or "GPU 1-Video encode" the last only while rendering.

When trying the test above with "Nvidia" or "off" selected in Hardware Decoder to Use," including after restarting the program as directed, the percentage readings appear to be exactly the same in task manager.

Can't say I understand most of this...

 

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 4/15/2021, 9:48 AM

Any chance you can upload one of your sample c70 clips so I can try it on my Dell xps15 laptop? I found some sample c70 clips here I'm not sure if they're similar to yours.

JN- wrote on 4/15/2021, 10:11 AM

@JaredF @RogerS Ok, Jared has kindly rendered out a FHD clip using Intel QSV UHD 750, Xe.

This was with a view to see if there was any quality change one way or the other to the previous UHD 630 iGPU's etc.

Although it weighs in at the lower end of the "Size" and "Data range", it is within the range, as I requested, thanks Jared.

To me, quality wise, it appears about the same as previous Intel iGPU's. See item 25 in the table below.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

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PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

RogerS wrote on 4/15/2021, 10:13 AM

Thanks for the quality comparison. This is great info that really isn't readily available anywhere!

JN- wrote on 4/15/2021, 2:26 PM

@RogerS Jared, in the interests of science, has re-done it, so it's now very much in the middle of the pack with respect to file size and data rate, will update later. Not expecting much change, but thank you Jared.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

---------------------------------------------

PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

JN- wrote on 4/15/2021, 3:09 PM

@JaredF @RogerS Is updated now, item no. 25 in the table posted earlier.

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VFR2CFR, Variable frame rate to Constant frame rate link to zip here.

Copies Video Converts Audio to AAC, link to zip here.

Convert 2 Lossless, link to ZIP here.

Convert Odd 2 Even (frame size), link to ZIP here

Benchmarking Continued thread + link to zip here

Codec Render Quality tables zip

---------------------------------------------

PC ... Corsair case, own build ...

CPU .. i9 9900K, iGpu UHD 630

Memory .. 32GB DDR4

Graphics card .. MSI RTX 2080 ti

Graphics driver .. latest studio

PSU .. Corsair 850i

Mboard .. Asus Z390 Code

 

Laptop… XMG

i9-11900k, iGpu n/a

Memory 64GB DDR4

Graphics card … Laptop RTX 3080

TheRhino wrote on 4/25/2021, 3:04 PM

0:48 for FHD & 1:20 for UHD match the results I got testing a Nvidia 3060 Ti in my 9900K workstation:
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/nvidia-3060-ti-vegas-18-benchmarks--126075/#ca786277

@JaredF @JN- @Howard-Vigorita @RogerS

For just $600 USD, I replaced a 10+ year-old Xeon, MB & RAM with an 11700K & ASRock W48 motherboard using my existing VEGA 56, case, etc. The results are very similar to my other system, a 9900K & VEGA 64 LQ, and not far from a test done with my 9900K & Nvidia 3060 Ti. All 11700K tests at stock 5 ghz & stock BIOS settings using Vegas 18.482 & AMD VEGA 21.Q1.1 enterprise driver:

Red Car Sample Project to 1080p MP4: VCE = 0:13, QSV = 0:19
Sample Project 4K to 1080p FHD 25 fps MP4: VCE = 0:50, QSV = 0:52
Sample Project 4K to 2160p UHD 25 fps MP4: VCE = 1:45, QSV = 1:47

IMO QSV renders are still highly dependent on the PCIe GPU installed as I get faster QSV renders on the system with my VEGA 64 LQ vs. VEGA 56 (fan-cooled)... (I did not attempt a QSV render without a VEGA installed...) Here's my post with more details: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/11700k-asrock-w480-low-budget-upgrade-for-vegas-renders--128597/

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Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...