Vegas Became completely unusable

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Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 3:57 PM

@Kloverton Thanks, the 4k C3125 worked ok with proxy added & rendered no prob, C4834 won't play at all, added proxy hopefully will help but it is still creating that, painfully slowly

Kloverton wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:02 PM

Interlacing hasn't been used since the dawn of HD (1080i) and SD (480i). It is not used for 720p, 1080p, 4k (2160p), or 8k (7680p). The p that follows each number means progressive. If you see an i after the number, it means interlaced. You do not want to use interlacing in your projects, as it cuts your resolution in half, creates shimmering image artifacts along diagonal lines in the image, and can cause problems beyond that as well.

Go into your project settings, and change the interlaced setting to progressive. Then get back to us about if your problem persists beyond that point.

It's not interlaced, it's progressive

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j-v wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:10 PM

@Kloverton

Not my taste, but both files did play on my VPro 19 on laptop, but it took a long time to make a proxy for the 8K. Look here for playing in a 4K 60p project:

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Marten

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Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
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Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:26 PM

@j-v Did you try rendering it out, & i presume Preview (Auto) was where you had to set the preview in order for it to play, ?

@Kloverton 20mins to create proxy for the 8k, media sized project, i clicked Match media when importing, 7680 x 4320 29.97p, even after proxy playback @ Good quarter was like a really slow slideshow of 4 or 5 images,

rendering at HEVC 8k right now, 15mins estimated, i'll get back to you

CPU & GPU are doing next to nothing, & RAM is fairly high

What is your project size & render options?

 

Kloverton wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:29 PM

@Kloverton

Not my taste, but both files did play on my VPro 19 on laptop, but it took a long time to make a proxy for the 8K. Look here for playing in a 4K 60p project:

Preview playback is not really a problem after proxy and set to preview good or Draft Full, it's the render i can't make to happen

Vegas Pro 20 Build 411, Windows 11 PRO, Intel Core i9 10980XE (4.9Ghz all cores) with Direct Die and Luquid Metal + EK Waterblock, RTX 4090 EK Water Cooled, 128GB DDR4 G.Skill 3800Mhz, Samsung 980 Pro 2TBx4, Asus Rog Rampage VI Extreme Omega, Creative SoundBlaster X5, Elgato 4K 60 Pro x2, Seasonic Prime TX 1600W Titanium. Custom EK Water Cooling, with Direct Die and Liquid Metal, 420mm EK Radiator 45mm thick, 2x 360 EK Radiators, 45mm thick, D5 Revo Pump. 12X Noctua Coolers, four of those are 140mm, others 120mm.

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:33 PM

@Kloverton what are the render settings & project size?

j-v wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:33 PM

@j-v Did you try rendering it out, & i presume Preview (Auto) was where you had to set the preview in order for it to play, ?

That is needed to play the proxies

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 576.02 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Vegas software: VP 10 to 22 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

Kloverton wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:34 PM

@j-v Did you try rendering it out, & i presume Preview (Auto) was where you had to set the preview in order for it to play, ?

@Kloverton 20mins to create proxy for the 8k, media sized project, i clicked Match media when importing, 7680 x 4320 29.97p, even after proxy playback @ Good quarter was like a really slow slideshow of 4 or 5 images,

rendering at HEVC 8k right now, 15mins estimated, i'll get back to you

CPU & GPU are doing next to nothing, & RAM is fairly high

What is your project size & render options?

 

I wonder why I have only 3 templates for 8K rendering, are those cutom ones you created?

Exactly, nothing is being used while rendering, and that is already concerning.

Vegas Pro 20 Build 411, Windows 11 PRO, Intel Core i9 10980XE (4.9Ghz all cores) with Direct Die and Luquid Metal + EK Waterblock, RTX 4090 EK Water Cooled, 128GB DDR4 G.Skill 3800Mhz, Samsung 980 Pro 2TBx4, Asus Rog Rampage VI Extreme Omega, Creative SoundBlaster X5, Elgato 4K 60 Pro x2, Seasonic Prime TX 1600W Titanium. Custom EK Water Cooling, with Direct Die and Liquid Metal, 420mm EK Radiator 45mm thick, 2x 360 EK Radiators, 45mm thick, D5 Revo Pump. 12X Noctua Coolers, four of those are 140mm, others 120mm.

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:46 PM

@j-v Did you try rendering it out, & i presume Preview (Auto) was where you had to set the preview in order for it to play, ?

That is needed to play the proxies


@j-v Doh!, I forgot about that, Thanks 👍

I don't often have to use proxy, yep played at Preview (Full) on 8k project timeline no prob after proxy was made,

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:50 PM

 

I wonder why I have only 3 templates for 8K rendering, are those cutom ones you created?

Exactly, nothing is being used while rendering, and that is already concerning.

@Kloverton yep prob custom templates, your project is 25frame rate but that 8k is 29.97 & the 4k is 59.94, ? Iss that 25 by choice?

Did you render as 8k, 259 8bit?

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 4:54 PM

@Kloverton it took 15mins to render at 8k, i forgot tho & left it set at 8bit,

Nothing on my pc will play the file tho 🤣🤷‍♂️ so i put on Google Drive, maybe someone can suggest a player or try it for me n see, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_P1eV7Kv3EnwIp2xPwJhHXfR9ILe6P5u/view?usp=sharing

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 5:04 PM

@Kloverton rendering the 8k project out at 4k HEVC 10bit, about the same amount of time, again not a lot going on in the Taskmanager,

.. finished render, 15mins-ish,

BTW, Totally my style, beautiful woman 😉👍

PS after it finished rendering the project above, I tried closing that project to create a new project, Vegas finally crashed, however painfully slow this whole process has been it was the only time it did crash, surprisingly,

I added your 8k to a 4k project & tried to render at 4k 10bit HEVC, render time was approx the same as rendering at 8k, 15mins+

 

 

Kloverton wrote on 7/31/2022, 5:17 PM

Great, but I think the problem is when there are a lot of different files in different codecs and resolution, with a color grade

Vegas Pro 20 Build 411, Windows 11 PRO, Intel Core i9 10980XE (4.9Ghz all cores) with Direct Die and Luquid Metal + EK Waterblock, RTX 4090 EK Water Cooled, 128GB DDR4 G.Skill 3800Mhz, Samsung 980 Pro 2TBx4, Asus Rog Rampage VI Extreme Omega, Creative SoundBlaster X5, Elgato 4K 60 Pro x2, Seasonic Prime TX 1600W Titanium. Custom EK Water Cooling, with Direct Die and Liquid Metal, 420mm EK Radiator 45mm thick, 2x 360 EK Radiators, 45mm thick, D5 Revo Pump. 12X Noctua Coolers, four of those are 140mm, others 120mm.

fr0sty wrote on 7/31/2022, 5:32 PM

Tested on my RTX 3090 (windows 10, Ryzen 7 1800x CPU, 64GB RAM) system, I didn't see any such artifacts in the decode, the video played just fine after a proxy build. Tested using VP19 latest build. That can rule out it being an issue with the 3090 or the Nvidia driver on that particular piece of media, at least in my version of Windows, not sure which you are using.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Kloverton wrote on 7/31/2022, 5:40 PM

Tested on my RTX 3090 (windows 10, Ryzen 7 1800x CPU, 64GB RAM) system, I didn't see any such artifacts in the decode, the video played just fine after a proxy build. Tested using VP19 latest build. That can rule out it being an issue with the 3090 or the Nvidia driver on that particular piece of media, at least in my version of Windows, not sure which you are using.

I used studio driver, latest one, and today they released a new one, that also did't change anything.

The problem i'm facing right now is render, not a preview. If there are 2 different types of media in a same rendering section, it will just stop. I can only render sections as long as 10 seconds at a time, until it reaches 4K 60 file.

Vegas Pro 20 Build 411, Windows 11 PRO, Intel Core i9 10980XE (4.9Ghz all cores) with Direct Die and Luquid Metal + EK Waterblock, RTX 4090 EK Water Cooled, 128GB DDR4 G.Skill 3800Mhz, Samsung 980 Pro 2TBx4, Asus Rog Rampage VI Extreme Omega, Creative SoundBlaster X5, Elgato 4K 60 Pro x2, Seasonic Prime TX 1600W Titanium. Custom EK Water Cooling, with Direct Die and Liquid Metal, 420mm EK Radiator 45mm thick, 2x 360 EK Radiators, 45mm thick, D5 Revo Pump. 12X Noctua Coolers, four of those are 140mm, others 120mm.

fr0sty wrote on 7/31/2022, 5:47 PM

OK, let's keep drilling down...

So the 4k60 file by itself renders ok...?

The 8K by itself renders ok...?

But combine the two, the render crashes? Can you repeat this reliably? Are the 2 files you provided the exact 2 in question that are causing the crash?

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 6:13 PM

@Kloverton Yep, hard to recreate your timeline, but as you say a few different files, a difficult 10bit file + colour grading i can see there'd be problems, I can only suggest as has been said in this forum many times is that you'll have to convert your files, before adding to the timeline 😒

Tried your 8k file in MEP, proxy took about 5mins, export @ 8k took 4mins (8bit only, there's no 10bit in MEP), but playback on the timeline even with proxies was crap.

Hitfilm Pro & Vegas Effects wouldn't even play it.

DaVinci Resolve free only showed audio

 

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 6:32 PM

I noticed this oddity when rendering.

The 2 videos should be blended and aligned , instead the girl appears as 100% opacity and is in a smaller window. The render however is normal, it shows the blended videos with identical frame size

fr0sty wrote on 7/31/2022, 6:36 PM

I put both the 8k and the 4k back to back on my timeline, and to try to simulate your project as closely as possible, I added an input lut to the first clip (slog to rec 709), and because the 4k clip looked like it was already shot in rec709, I added an output look lut to it. I then rendered to 8k HEVC at the 8k media's frame rate (which I made sure the project matched) which is 29.97fps. In render settings, I changed the resolution to perfectly match the media to avoid letterboxing (7680x4320). This was the result, This is an 8 bit, CPU only Mainconcept HEVC render. It took 25 minutes on my Ryzen 7 1800x CPU:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/184ErqU3TcSXs3wncAxS_Z2nndfzbNT39/view?usp=sharing

Last changed by fr0sty on 7/31/2022, 7:15 PM, changed a total of 3 times.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 7:05 PM

I just put both files on a project at 8k 7680 x 4320, a bit of colour grading, & a LUT on each, then rendered HEVC 10bit, i chose NV Encoder this time (I thought i had last time but didn't check 🤦‍♂️👴🤣)

It's estimated a little faster 13mins (so maybe i was on Mainconcept before) , it's slow but steady

finished render in 15mins, again Taskmanager showed very little activity apart from high RAM & some spikes on the GPU. I have no player to play back the 8k file tho to check it,

 

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 7:21 PM

@Former user Are you using 32bit or 8bit project, your encode is faster than mine. I tried Resolve, encode is 12fps rendering to 10bit 8K hevc , which I"M happy with because the bottleneck is very obvious, it's my 12core cpu running at 100%

@Former user It would be interesting to see the render speed of MEP if you have a chance

john_dennis wrote on 7/31/2022, 8:16 PM

Note to Self

"Don't look at any new cameras until you upgrade your five-year-old system."

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 8:38 PM

Note to Self

"Don't look at any new cameras until you upgrade your five-year-old system."

@john_dennis You can see the problem isn't your system by the tiny amount of CPU in use. It's the same with @Former user with his 32core CPU, @Kloverton with his 16core and me with my 12core. If the SO4 HEVC decoder can only use a single core, upgrading your CPU is going to do very little Other than Intel CPU with GPU decode for 422 color. The problem will still persist, with single core decode, but massively aided by GPU decode BUT by turning on GPU decode you get the other SO4 problem, instability leading to crashing.

Former user wrote on 7/31/2022, 9:55 PM

@Former user I never go 32bit, i don't know enough about it, when i have had it t that it doesn't seem to do well & from what i've read it isn't necessary, not for me anyway 🤷‍♂️

I clicked Match media on import

All i can do at the mo is repeat what i wrote, I don't have the screenshots anymore,

'Tried your 8k file in MEP, proxy took about 5mins, export @ 8k took 4mins (8bit only, there's no 10bit in MEP), but playback on the timeline even with proxies was crap.'

I'll do it again tomorrow if you want but it wasn't useable, 3.55am here, i'm off to bed 🥱