Vegas Became completely unusable

Kloverton wrote on 7/30/2022, 11:45 AM

Hello Gents. I did post on these forum for a few years now, and each time about vegas performance problems, but right of these moment, when I got new Sony A1, it's just unusable. Every render freezes after rendering only first minute of the video, it lags, and even when it's rendering, it does it with a sped of 0-2fps. I think these is unacceptable, and as a person who used these software for over 12 years, it might come to an end of the jorney for me. I do understand that most folks here enjoy it, shooting and editing only in Full HD, but all the new files like 10 bit 4K60, or 120, or 8K, makes these software 0% usable. The last thing I want to see as a user in VP20 announce, are social features and tons of other features that make these soft even slower. Until the whole engine is updated or completely changed in Vegas Pro, it's not going to be mainstream and usable for anyone who does something more, than Full HD - 4K 30\60 in 8 bit. Copying all the features from other editing swift won't get new people to use it, cause it is as slow as it was 8 years ago. Those are completely wrong prioroties and as a biggest fan of these software, I'm sad to say that I will have to spend months or years to learn to work in something else, cause as I mentioned before, it's unusable. People want to use their hardware for better experience, and upgrading from 1080Ti to 3090, gave me 0% increase, either in Rendering, or preview. No negative to anyone, but those are straight facts for years, and nothing was made in last 8 years to increase the performance. As simple as looking at tests and benchmarks, where the increase in performance with each version is less than 5%. I hope devs are reading these, cause guys, people love vegas for simplicity, comfort. People chose vegas not to make 3D effects in it, or hollywood movies, they chose it for comfort and good timeline to work with, but you just keep dropping and dropping in even more features to make it look like Adobe, and I'm sure most people like Vegas, cause it's not Adobe. There are thousends of reddit, forum and even tutorials on youtube how to "speed it up' and complains about the performance over the years. You cant make a Ferrari just by modding and painting Ford. Paying each year money for features that are mostly not needed (at least for me) and getting same thing, is not what I'm as a user liking, cause all those features are useless, until the software can't even handle it. Right now I'm stuck with a commercial project with a dead line, and I can't even render it in any resolution on any PC I got. I did try everymethod on the internet over these years, Legacy, default setting of vegas, Voukoder, everything, and no luck. I've done every possible fix from my side, and it is clear, that it's nothing to do either with me, or my PC.

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Former user wrote on 8/1/2022, 9:56 PM

Disclaimers

All the proxy renders were done while I was otherwise living my life.

That was important information you left out. His complain is time it takes to generate proxies as well as render time. I tried 8K prores for his 1minute file took about 1:10 to generate, almost real time, not bad.

MagicYUV 10 bit 422 really shines in this scenario. Uncompressed YUV 10Bits 422 in a MOV wrapper from Shutter Encoder, not so much. I'll talk to Paul about that.

I used prores LT422 10bit, it's 1/6th to 1/7th the size of your example, which is a positive if that's important to user. Playback is acceptable, scrubbing excellent, and encoding speed acceptable.

Seb-o wrote on 8/1/2022, 10:01 PM

We've established that we've got a new CEO in the game.

We've established that members of Team VEGAS now have a decision-making role at Magix for their video products.

We also know that not a lot of time has passed since these changes have happened... and in the software world, making such changes takes a while before it manifests into actual working, tested code that we get to install... so let's all take a deep breath, and know that the team is working on it as fast as they can, and they've been listening to our cries for years, and passing those cries up the chain to Magix, now more than ever before. Let's give it time to work through the system.

This is why you are well liked and appreciated. You have an honest optimism that is contageous. You're right, there indeed might be better days ahead. CHEERS.

Seb-o wrote on 8/1/2022, 10:05 PM

MagicYUV 10 bit 422 really shines in this scenario. Uncompressed YUV 10Bits 422 in a MOV wrapper from Shutter Encoder, not so much. I'll talk to Paul about that.

I used prores LT422 10bit, it's 1/6th to 1/7th the size of your example, which is a positive if that's important to user. Playback is acceptable, scrubbing excellent, and encoding speed acceptable.

Magic YUV, YAY, I was instrumental in getting Balázs Oroszi, MagicYUV author, hooked up with an SDK when communication had dried up with Dev. Great product that he's created, like Waag, some brilliant minds on the periphery of Vegas.

RogerS wrote on 8/1/2022, 10:06 PM

This is an odd thread. Half of it is addressing the specific concern raised editing a specific type of file (very interesting advice) and the other is speculation and opining about Magix corporate strategy and Vegas Creative Software.

For the latter, chatting to fellow users on this forum isn't likely to get heard by anyone at Magix on the business side. I think you'd be better served by contacting them directly, starting a petition, etc. than going around in circles here.

pierre-k wrote on 8/1/2022, 11:31 PM

Now seriously.

Don't know how Magix Video X Pro plays your problematic files? Magix boasts turbo nano giga ultra super Infusion engine 3. (doesn't Gillette have the same function?)

https://www.magix.com/int/video-editor/video-pro-x/infusion-engine/#c1596425

It's good to see if this engine would help Vegas as well.

Seb-o wrote on 8/1/2022, 11:35 PM

All my advice on this and every other forum where I contribute comes with a
double your money back guarantee.

@john_dennis

John, your two cents is worth every penny!!! Ahahaha

john_dennis wrote on 8/1/2022, 11:40 PM

@Former user

The unwatched encode happens instantly. If you watch, it takes forever.

In Shutter Encoder, on my machine, the 1080p ProRes render took 126 seconds.

In Shutter Encoder, on my machine, the 8K ProRes render took 221 seconds.

If renders had been instantaneous when I used Vegas 4, I would likely never have come to the forum.

I probably wouldn't come here now if I didn't have a tick that causes me to start an Internet browser every time I select File/Render As.

john_dennis wrote on 8/1/2022, 11:49 PM

@Seb-o

"I still bend over to pick up pennies from the parking lot. I remember when a penny was worth $0.00739 just before the first Arab oil embargo in 1973." said the Shade-Tree Economist.

Seb-o wrote on 8/1/2022, 11:56 PM

If renders had been instantaneous when I used Vegas 4, I would likely never have come to the forum.

Well, well, keepin it 100 as the kids say....ahahaha.....quite a bit of our "reaity" is perception and especially relative to our own experience, old heads like you and me are probably super happy we don't have the "old days" render speeds, which were pretty much overnight for any normal few minutes of footage, but in Kloverton's case, it did seem at a snails pace, for whichever reason.

Reyfox wrote on 8/2/2022, 5:46 AM

@john_dennis, I remember many many moons ago, I had a top spec Intel machine with ATi graphics. The only CPU that was better in consumer world, was the PIII 500MHz. I had the 450MHz. I was using DPS Editbay software.

I fondly remember letting the computer churn all night to export the finished video. I'd wake up in the middle of the night to make sure the computer is working and doing it's thing. And in the morning, check to see if the rendering is complete, test play the finished product, and then off to work.

Before that, I was doing a/b roll (with Panasonic AG decks, controller, and camera) with the Amiga/Video Toaster.

And while I understand the frustration some have pointed to in editing "edge of the art" video files, I also remember all the transcoding (?) that had to be done to handle AVCHD when it first came out. And it was done by everyone. Yes, other software supports those "edge of the art" files better. And maybe, if I had to get it out quickly, I'd be using that software. But I just enjoy using Vegas to edit.

I've always advocated using the right tool for the job.

FayFen wrote on 8/2/2022, 5:59 AM

@john_dennis, I remember many many moons ago, I had a top spec Intel machine with ATi graphics. The only CPU that was better in consumer world, was the PIII 500MHz. I had the 450MHz. I was using DPS Editbay software.

I fondly remember letting the computer churn all night to export the finished video. I'd wake up in the middle of the night to make sure the computer is working and doing it's thing. And in the morning, check to see if the rendering is complete, test play the finished product, and then off to work.

Before that, I was doing a/b roll (with Panasonic AG decks, controller, and camera) with the Amiga/Video Toaster.

And while I understand the frustration some have pointed to in editing "edge of the art" video files, I also remember all the transcoding (?) that had to be done to handle AVCHD when it first came out. And it was done by everyone. Yes, other software supports those "edge of the art" files better. And maybe, if I had to get it out quickly, I'd be using that software. But I just enjoy using Vegas to edit.

I've always advocated using the right tool for the job.

DPS's EDIT bay was amazing SD Mjpeg card with the VideoAction S/W.

Reyfox wrote on 8/2/2022, 9:45 AM

@FayFen, I used it until I changed and went with Pinnacle DV500 with Premiere.

Me mentioning it helps to explain why I don't mind waiting sometimes for things to happen. We didn't have a microwave when I was growing up, so we had to wait for just about everything. Over night rendering was common.

There are compromises in just about every aspect of life. But again, I am an advocate of using the right tool for the job. I am sure that the Vegas team are looking at the future of editing.

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