VP19 B550 Render is slow

alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 2:20 AM

Normal export & batch rendering are equally slow. Averaging 3FPS. Usually I can get 18-20FPS average.

Project settings is 1080p 25FPS.

Render Template Magix AVC 1080p 25FPS NVENC.

GPU acceleration is enabled.

My computer specs can be seen on my signature.

Clip Media Info:

General
Complete name                            : F:\TAKBIR TAKAFUL 2022\ARTWORK\CAM 1\PRIVATE\M4ROOT\CLIP\C5407.MP4
Format                                   : XAVC
Codec ID                                 : XAVC (XAVC/mp42/iso2)
File size                                : 1.19 GiB
Duration                                 : 49 s 440 ms
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 206 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-04-09 02:26:27
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-04-09 02:26:27

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : AVC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                           : High 4:2:2@L5.2
Format settings                          : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC                   : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames        : 2 frames
Codec ID                                 : avc1
Codec ID/Info                            : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                                 : 49 s 440 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 200 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Scan type                                : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.482
Stream size                              : 1.15 GiB (97%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-04-09 02:26:27
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-04-09 02:26:27
Color range                              : Full
Codec configuration box                  : avcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : twos
Duration                                 : 49 s 440 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 9.05 MiB (1%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-04-09 02:26:27
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-04-09 02:26:27

Other
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 49 s 440 ms

Comments

alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 3:43 AM

Is it possible to share clips of the same format?

Will share and tag you later, file is pretty big

todd-b wrote on 4/12/2022, 4:09 AM

@alifftudm95 Reminder you can use Shutter encoder or similar to reduce the file size by"Cut without re-encoding" to either create a mock project for testing purposes or upload a single file if you have diagnosed the file to be the problem without any relationship to project parameters

3POINT wrote on 4/12/2022, 6:26 AM

@ aliff Since you're changing framerate from 2160p50 to 1080p25, make sure that in your project settings resampling is disabled or not set to optical flow (which will cause tremendous slow rendering).

alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 9:39 AM

@lan-mLMC https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1F3Rg1xsXGaj4xp82Eak5TOkcxOcslyAL?usp=sharing

john_dennis wrote on 4/12/2022, 10:20 AM

@alifftudm95

I experienced a similar result with that media.

My main system:
Motherboard: Asus X99-AII
CPU: Intel i7-6850K
GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX480-8GB
RAM: Corsair Dominator (4 x 4 GB) DDR4 2400
Disk O/S & Programs: Intel SSD 750 (400 GB)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: Corsair Hydro series H115i
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Crystal Sound 3 on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: Asus ProArt PA248q (24" 1920 x 1200)
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 190943
Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

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alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 10:20 AM

@ aliff Since you're changing framerate from 2160p50 to 1080p25, make sure that in your project settings resampling is disabled or not set to optical flow (which will cause tremendous slow rendering).

I always disable resampling

alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 10:22 AM

Beside slow rendering, the project in general is very sluggish. Delay and sometimes froze for solid 5 sec.

 

 

alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 10:22 AM

@alifftudm95

I experienced a similar result with that media.

Hmm I wonder why?

john_dennis wrote on 4/12/2022, 10:28 AM

@alifftudm95

It doesn't appear to benefit from GPU decode or encode and doesn't make very good use of the CPU, either. At least on my older RX480 and CPU with no on-die video processing.

My main system:
Motherboard: Asus X99-AII
CPU: Intel i7-6850K
GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX480-8GB
RAM: Corsair Dominator (4 x 4 GB) DDR4 2400
Disk O/S & Programs: Intel SSD 750 (400 GB)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: Corsair Hydro series H115i
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Crystal Sound 3 on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: Asus ProArt PA248q (24" 1920 x 1200)
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 190943
Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

https://www.youtube.com/user/thedennischannel

john_dennis wrote on 4/12/2022, 10:35 AM

The timeline performance on my machine I so bad, I think I would find a machine that I'm not using and convert to MagicYUV RGB or ProRes before I even started the project.

My main system:
Motherboard: Asus X99-AII
CPU: Intel i7-6850K
GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX480-8GB
RAM: Corsair Dominator (4 x 4 GB) DDR4 2400
Disk O/S & Programs: Intel SSD 750 (400 GB)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: Corsair Hydro series H115i
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Crystal Sound 3 on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: Asus ProArt PA248q (24" 1920 x 1200)
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 190943
Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

https://www.youtube.com/user/thedennischannel

Yelandkeil wrote on 4/12/2022, 10:47 AM

The actual property of the shared clip is 10bit422HEVC.

It's a de/encode bottleneck in VEGASpro as @todd-b reported many times, barely dependent on hardware from yesterday or today.

Transcode to e.g. ProRes seems the only way to solve the problem currently.


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3POINT wrote on 4/12/2022, 10:52 AM

Than provided Media info seems not correct, 10bit422XAVC!

john_dennis wrote on 4/12/2022, 10:58 AM

Mediainfo of the file that I downloaded:

General
Complete name                            : C:\Users\John\Downloads\C8761.MP4
Format                                   : XAVC
Codec ID                                 : XAVC (XAVC/mp42/iso2/nras)
File size                                : 1.28 GiB
Duration                                 : 52 s 320 ms
Overall bit rate                         : 210 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-04-09 03:44:29
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-04-09 03:44:29

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Format Range@L5.1@High
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 52 s 320 ms
Bit rate                                 : 200 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 50.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.482
Stream size                              : 1.22 GiB (95%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-04-09 03:44:29
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-04-09 03:44:29
Color range                              : Full
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : PCM
Format settings                          : Big / Signed
Codec ID                                 : twos
Duration                                 : 52 s 320 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Constant
Bit rate                                 : 1 536 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Bit depth                                : 16 bits
Stream size                              : 9.58 MiB (1%)
Encoded date                             : UTC 2022-04-09 03:44:29
Tagged date                              : UTC 2022-04-09 03:44:29

Other
Type                                     : meta
Duration                                 : 52 s 320 ms

 

My main system:
Motherboard: Asus X99-AII
CPU: Intel i7-6850K
GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX480-8GB
RAM: Corsair Dominator (4 x 4 GB) DDR4 2400
Disk O/S & Programs: Intel SSD 750 (400 GB)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: Corsair Hydro series H115i
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Crystal Sound 3 on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: Asus ProArt PA248q (24" 1920 x 1200)
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 190943
Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

https://www.youtube.com/user/thedennischannel

Yelandkeil wrote on 4/12/2022, 11:10 AM

Also, the big/signed PCM could occur problems.

Tips:


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Realtek 6.0.9239.1 (ALC1200 Backplate): ROCCAT Kave Solid 5.1Surround Headset/Mic 
USB Imput: iRig midi24Keys 
USB Device: Card Reader/Writer 

Vegaspro19 + DVDArchi7 + XMediaRecode 
Acidpro10 + SoundForgpro14.0.0.65 + SpectraLayers7 
K-LitecodecPack1662 (MPC Video Renderer for HDR10-Videoplayback) 

Gid wrote on 4/12/2022, 11:13 AM

Yep playback of that file pretty much non existent, just a static image on screen.

Render 5.37mins

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alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 11:27 AM

Also, the big/signed PCM could occur problems.

Tips:

I dont have the luxury to transcode all of this 200+GB file to ProRes that will create 400-500GB of file.

alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 11:31 AM

So what is the solution to improve the playback & render speed? Beside transcoding.

alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 11:42 AM

The actual property of the shared clip is 10bit422HEVC.

It's a de/encode bottleneck in VEGASpro as @todd-b reported many times, barely dependent on hardware from yesterday or today.

Transcode to e.g. ProRes seems the only way to solve the problem currently.

If you don't mind, can you explain bout the bottleneck thingy ?

I've seen a forum post someone mentioning about current hardware (GPU if im not wrong), are not capable yet to decode latest codec from Sony or something, debayer, 10bit something I cant remember.

Last changed by alifftudm95 on 4/12/2022, 11:43 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

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alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 11:56 AM

After double checking on main project, I realize it's a mixture of H264 and H265!

H264 is CAM 1

HEVC is CAM 2

Even tho H264 clip render faster (I test the render and get result of 15-18fps average), the playback performance

is still poor, but not as bad as HEVC clip. I've upload 2nd sample clip on the same drive link:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1F3Rg1xsXGaj4xp82Eak5TOkcxOcslyAL?usp=sharing

 

Yelandkeil wrote on 4/12/2022, 12:07 PM

There are 2 codecs, the modern one so4compoundplug.dll and the legacy one mxhevcplug.dll, responsible for AVC/XAVC/HEVC.

In the past there was a blacklist to filter certain formats/sourcematerials using this or that codec to achieve max performance. I don't know where the blacklist was/is.

With my Signature I can handle almost every kind material except this one: 10bit422HEVC.

Last changed by Yelandkeil on 4/12/2022, 12:10 PM, changed a total of 1 times.


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USB Imput: iRig midi24Keys 
USB Device: Card Reader/Writer 

Vegaspro19 + DVDArchi7 + XMediaRecode 
Acidpro10 + SoundForgpro14.0.0.65 + SpectraLayers7 
K-LitecodecPack1662 (MPC Video Renderer for HDR10-Videoplayback) 

john_dennis wrote on 4/12/2022, 12:15 PM

@alifftudm95

Please state which camera(s) and/or outboard recorder(s) created these files.

My main system:
Motherboard: Asus X99-AII
CPU: Intel i7-6850K
GPU: Sapphire Radeon RX480-8GB
RAM: Corsair Dominator (4 x 4 GB) DDR4 2400
Disk O/S & Programs: Intel SSD 750 (400 GB)
Disk Active Projects: 1TB & 2TB WD BLACK SN750 NVMe Internal PCI Express 3.0 x4 Solid State Drives
Disk Other: WD Ultrastar/Hitachi Hard Drives: WDBBUR0080BNC-WRSN, HGST HUH728080ALE600, 724040ALE640, HDS3020BLA642
Case: LIAN LI PC-90 Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Case
CPU cooling: Corsair Hydro series H115i
Power supply: SeaSonic SS-750KM3 750W 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Drive Bay: Kingwin KF-256-BK 2.5" and 3.5" Trayless Hot Swap Rack with USB 3
Sound card: Crystal Sound 3 on motherboard. Recording done on another system.
Primary Monitor: Asus ProArt PA248q (24" 1920 x 1200)
O/S: Windows 10 Pro 190943
Camera: Sony RX10 Model IV

https://www.youtube.com/user/thedennischannel

alifftudm95 wrote on 4/12/2022, 12:17 PM

@alifftudm95

Please state which camera(s) and/or outboard recorder(s) created these files.

Sony A7Siii