Why can't select multiple audio events & change their properties?

noisywan wrote on 3/13/2023, 9:13 AM

It's been 20 versions and I still can't select multiple audio events in timeline and change their properties using the properties menu.

Why do I need to use 3rd party scripts or copy/paste attributes to achieve that?

For ex; I should be able to select all audio events in timeline and switch their time stretch parameters to Elastique / Speech at once natively. This is how it works in other software.

I wonder why developers of Vegas disabled Properties menu while multiple events are selected...

 

 

 

 

 

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jetdv wrote on 3/13/2023, 3:23 PM
Why should I use Paste Event Attributes command for that task?

Because that's what works to perform the task you want to perform?

I suppose you could also use a script.

noisywan wrote on 3/15/2023, 1:27 AM
Why should I use Paste Event Attributes command for that task?

Because that's what works to perform the task you want to perform?

I suppose you could also use a script.

Why adjusting properties is disabled while multiple events are selected?
For instance; Wouldn't you ask why if file properties button gets dimmed when you select multiple files in Windows Explorer?

Scripts and copy/pasting looks like workarounds. IMO user should be able to select multiple items and change their properties at once using properties dialog.

It's a very basic feature but hasn't been implementend for 20 versions.I assume (full speculation) there is something wrong under the hood preventing it from happening. It smells like the first button on a coat was buttoned wrong and every attempt to correct it looks awkward. 

I'm more into learning the reason why it's not available than having it implemented. For me it's a 20-year-old mystery and it would be very exciting to hear if someone explained it.

 

 

jetdv wrote on 3/15/2023, 8:30 AM

When you choose "Properties", it shows all the properties for that ONE selected event. It can't show "properties" for 45 events. At the top is the file name, the details of that file, and other information that is very specific to ONE selected event so that make perfect sense to me that it would not work with multiple selected events.

noisywan wrote on 3/15/2023, 9:16 AM

At the top is the file name, the details of that file, and other information that is very specific to ONE selected event so that make perfect sense to me that it would not work with multiple selected events.

I disagree. BTW this feature you oppose is not my invention and it's not new. It is already present in other audio apps, video apps, even in Windows File Explorer, etc...

For ex in Reaper, you can select multiple events in timeline and change their time strecth parameters. you don't need to copy/paste anything or run scripts.

In Windows file system, you can select multiple files and set their attributes all together. You can select 100 files and set their attribute to hidden or read only etc...You don't need to set them ONE by ONE.

Even a command like `rename` supports multiple files, (eventhough filename is a very very unique property) It adds suffix (number) to the end of filename to allow you batch-rename files.

When you choose "Properties", it shows all the properties for that ONE selected event. It can't show "properties" for 45 events.

Yes it can. All examples above do show it. If you want to experiment yourself in windows, select a group of files with different attributes and see how it's handled. Reaper is also free to experiment if you wish to see how editing multiple properties works.

 

 

 

jetdv wrote on 3/15/2023, 9:54 AM

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a way to do it. I'm saying that "Properties" shouldn't be that option because that relates to a single file. The examples you give aren't looking at the properties of a single file.

But, as you said, there *IS* a way to do it. You just don't like the method. Scripting *IS* certainly a viable option. Besides, what's the difference between opening a "Properties" window and "Script" window? (You could actually write a script that doesn't even open a window saving you even more time!)

And, I agree, there should be an easier way to adjust those settings on multiple files.

noisywan wrote on 3/15/2023, 9:57 AM

I'm not saying there shouldn't be a way to do it. I'm saying that "Properties" shouldn't be that option because that relates to a single file. The examples you give aren't looking at the properties of a single file.

But, as you said, there *IS* a way to do it. You just don't like the method. Scripting *IS* certainly a viable option. Besides, what's the difference between opening a "Properties" window and "Script" window? (You could actually write a script that doesn't even open a window saving you even more time!)

And, I agree, there should be an easier way to adjust those settings on multiple files.

I see that you are a script author.

Does changing how properties works in Vegas requires you to re-write/update your scripts?

jetdv wrote on 3/15/2023, 10:19 AM

The two are totally unrelated.

Here's an example that shows how to change the video resample mode (yes, different than what you're looking for but provides some context):

And this one shows how to access the media properties:

 

noisywan wrote on 3/17/2023, 3:02 AM

The two are totally unrelated.

Here's an example that shows how to change the video resample mode (yes, different than what you're looking for but provides some context):

And this one shows how to access the media properties:

 

OK I edited my OP to make it clear that I'm not asking for solutions to change properties of multiple events, so people won't be posting script tutoruials and workarounds to do that task.

walter-i. wrote on 3/17/2023, 4:00 AM

OK I edited my OP to make it clear that I'm not asking for solutions to change properties of multiple events, so people won't be posting script tutoruials and workarounds to do that task.

Then maybe this thread would be more appropriate for your request ?
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-feature-requests--134374/

noisywan wrote on 3/18/2023, 2:28 AM

OK I edited my OP to make it clear that I'm not asking for solutions to change properties of multiple events, so people won't be posting script tutoruials and workarounds to do that task.

Then maybe this thread would be more appropriate for your request ?
https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-feature-requests--134374/

I did that already.

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vegas-pro-feature-requests--134374/?page=19#ca874923

This post here has a question too, that's why I posted it here.

Actually I wasn't going to post a copy in the feature request because I've been doing it for years and it did not happen so I wanted to know what's preventing S.Foundry, Sony and Magix to ignore this feature. I though there might be a technical reason for it... Just being curious. :)

Yelandkeil wrote on 3/18/2023, 3:00 AM

The "technical" reason is that you work on an event/mirror which can be bridged back to its source/source-properties.
But a bunch events selected means bridge breakdown.

It's not audio only, multiple video events also lose their bridge in this matter.
Event has no properties -> Insert Empty Event
That's why there're event-, track- and media-levels.

You can fulfill your requirement in Mediapool.

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NoKi wrote on 3/18/2023, 6:17 AM

I'm with noisywan, showing/setting properties for multiple events should be made possible.

In Reaper (and other apps) it is done in a very simple way: When properties are shown for more than one event (=item in Reaper) only the values that all selected items have in common are shown. Others are either empty, or e.g. for selector boxes a small box (or greyed) is shown instead of the check mark (windows standard).

The big advantage of this approach is, that you can clearly see, if all items have the same settings (or not) and you can change settings at once for all of them in one step.

This is not related to any media properties. Reaper also shows them one after another only.

Yelandkeil wrote on 3/18/2023, 7:35 AM

Sorry I'm confused.
Are we talking about event(-bridged media) properties or event setting properties?

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jetdv wrote on 3/18/2023, 8:07 AM

@Yelandkeil, right-click an event on the timeline and select "Properties". I agree you can only adjust one event at a time and that makes sense because it shows the properties for one event. I also agree it would be nice to be able to change some of those settings on multiple events at one time.

Dexcon wrote on 3/18/2023, 8:56 AM

... it would be nice to be able to change some of those settings on multiple events at one time.

Vegasaur has such a feature - https://vegasaur.com/quick-properties - just highlight the wanted events and change the Properties for all in one hit - it works really well in my experience.

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jetdv wrote on 3/18/2023, 7:31 PM

@Dexcon - I mentioned scripts but he didn't want to use a script for this purpose...

noisywan wrote on 3/18/2023, 8:09 PM

It's like; There is a car accident blocking the road, wreck sitting there for 3 weeks and I ask why don't they lift it, and your answer is "drive around it".

Oh thanks. I didn't think of this :)

I'm not asking for scripts or other solutions, I was asking aboutsdldmi9e8fsss nevermind I'll go to sleep.

Dexcon wrote on 3/19/2023, 5:39 AM

I mentioned scripts but he didn't want to use a script for this purpose...

@jetdv  ... Yes, agreed. But there are others on the forum who may want to know if there is in fact a way of changing Properties for multiple events at the same time even though that may not include the OP.

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noisywan wrote on 3/19/2023, 7:30 AM

 

I mentioned scripts but he didn't want to use a script for this purpose...

@jetdv  ... Yes, agreed. But there are others on the forum who may want to know if there is in fact a way of changing Properties for multiple events at the same time even though that may not include the OP.

 

I think it would be better to answer when they ask for it. Anyways if you want to talk scripts go ahead then.

Just let me know if I'm disturbing you :)

jetdv wrote on 3/19/2023, 7:59 AM

@noisywan, I really don't understand why you are so adamant AGAINST scripts. A script written for your needs

  1. Will solve your problem today.
  2. Can be written so that it doesn't even need to open a window meaning it will be faster than opening properties/browsing to the proper tab, adjusting the proper setting, and then clicking on OK.

But, what do we know about scripts... I've just been writing them for 20 years for VEGAS...

Does that mean we also wouldn't like to see a better built in option? No. But refer to #1 above...

noisywan wrote on 3/19/2023, 7:59 AM

That's ok let's ignore my question and talk scripts. Let me help you then.

Buy Excalibur script from Jedtv. Only $75. Buy now! 
Use scripts.
Buy scripts.
Scripts are the best.
 

RogerS wrote on 3/19/2023, 8:15 AM

Your question can't be answered by fellow users, only developers. It's more a feature request than question.

"Is there a reason the program can't do X?"
"Yes, it hasn't be implemented that way"

As this forum is a pool of shared knowledge and not just personal tech support for the poster, I'm glad to see the recommendations to workaround this issue.

jetdv wrote on 3/19/2023, 8:16 AM

No. I was going to write you one that does specifically the single task you were asking for and post it HERE for FREE. But you kept saying you didn't want it so I didn't write it (at least not yet).

As we have REPEATEDLY SAID, we're not arguing that there ought to be a better way to change those settings on multiple events. But - refer to #1 above... Do you want a solution that will work for you TODAY by simply running a script? Or do you want to wait another 2 years for the team to get around to this feature request? (I'm just throwing a number in there - it could be 5 years, it could be next week).

NOBODY was asking you to "buy" something. That's also why I have all the tutorials I now have out there (as referenced above) - so anyone can write a simple script that performs a task such as this.

And, in some cases, scripts ARE the best because they can be tailored to do what YOU want the way YOU want to do it!

noisywan wrote on 3/19/2023, 8:32 AM

Ok jedtv, since you say you really don't understand it, let me explain;
I don't want to buy scripts for simple functions missing in Vegas, which comes as default in every other decent software.
I already pay for Vegas and I expect it to do simple things like being able to change properties of multiple event. 

I've used Remove Gaps script for years and now it's a native feature.
I hope this multi-event properties thing will be native soon.

A Vegas that doesn't need scripts is a beter Vegas.
I wasn't agains scripts but today I declare myself as the Noisywan the ScriptHater! I declared war against all scripts today. Thanks to jedtv, who is a walking ad banner for scripts that we can't turn off.
:)

And back to my original question if any one cares.
Why Vegas developers have been ignoring such a basic feature for such a long time? (Show me a forum and I'll ask this there also if you believe this is a `user-only forum" and no coders, developers or people related with development don't visit.)

Could it be because of... SCRIPTS? Maybe some character like "Noisywan the ScriptHater!" should ban the use of all scripts in the Vegas realm so developers would feel obligated to implement those simple features ASAP.