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set wrote on 8/28/2017, 7:20 AM

Try experiment with Magix AVC/MVC MP4 encoder.

liork wrote on 8/28/2017, 7:29 AM

The Magix MP4 does not work with UHD 4K.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 8/28/2017, 7:32 AM

There are templates in the Magix AVC encoder for UHD?

MAGIX_Eric D wrote on 8/28/2017, 8:51 AM

For hardware rendering (NVEnc):

GeForce 600 series onwards (6xx, 7xx, 9xx, 10xx)

Quadro Kxxx, Mxxx and Pxxx

Default NVEnc templates in MAGIX AVC include HDV, HD, and 4k, and as always, can be customized.

Peter_P wrote on 8/28/2017, 9:12 AM

Using the new Magix AVC/AAC encoder

takes on my i7-6700k for a 16;22 long UHDp30 XAVC-S 100Mbps clip with no filter only 16s to render to :

 

Format                         : MPEG-4
Format profile                 : Base Media
Codec ID                       : isom (isom/avc1)
File size                      : 48.8 MiB
Duration                       : 16 s 750 ms
Overall bit rate mode          : Variable
Overall bit rate               : 24.4 Mb/s
Encoded date                   : UTC 2017-08-28 14:02:57
Tagged date                    : UTC 2017-08-28 14:02:57

Video
ID                             : 1
Format                         : AVC
Format/Info                    : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile                 : Main@L5.1
Format settings, CABAC         : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames      : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP           : M=3, N=25
Codec ID                       : avc1
Codec ID/Info                  : Advanced Video Coding
Duration                       : 16 s 750 ms
Bit rate mode                  : Variable
Bit rate                       : 24.3 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate               : 48.0 Mb/s
Width                          : 3 840 pixels
Height                         : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio           : 16:9
Frame rate mode                : Constant
Frame rate                     : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
Color space                    : YUV
Chroma subsampling             : 4:2:0
Bit depth                      : 8 bits
Scan type                      : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)             : 0.098
Stream size                    : 48.6 MiB (100%)
Language                       : English
Encoded date                   : UTC 2017-08-28 14:02:57

 

 

Nick Hope wrote on 8/28/2017, 9:16 AM

I'm looking forward to NVENC vs QSV vs CPU-only speed and quality comparisons from those with the hardware to make them.

Peter_P wrote on 8/28/2017, 9:21 AM

This 16;22 long (short) clip takes 1Min43 (F=6,155) with the same Magix encoder when QSV is not selected e.g. CPU rendering is active.

The size of the outputs is also quite different. The QSV rendered is 48.8MB, while the CPU rendered ist 65MB for this 16.75s short clip.

Former users wrote on 8/28/2017, 12:32 PM

My initial tests with nvenc (gtx 1080) are seriously fast. But the file sizes are smaller. So getting a quality comparison wont be easy. With some settings the data rate appears to be ignored, i.e. the output file doesn't get the rate you set.

So far with an output data rate that does match what I enter in the render template the output file is about half size, compared to using the same template without nvenc.

My problem is that I cannot find Magix info. on what the different settings relate to, exactly i.e.

Presets ... Default, HP, HQ, Low latency HP/HQ etc

RC mode ... VBR, CBR, Constant QP Mode, vbr hq, cbr hq, etc

Its great to see Nvidia at last getting some love😀

bipwave wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:56 PM

-Render one 4k mov 1m 3s in magix vegas 14 pro render in 2m 12s

-Render the same in Magix vegas 15 with the Magix AVC/AAC encoder with nvidia GTX970 only 43s.

Finally the hardware acceleration works with Nvidia. 😃😃😃

 

set wrote on 8/28/2017, 5:59 PM

Thanks for your tests with Nvidia cards, JN_ & bipwave.

Glad to see it finally working again. 😁

Keep posts the updates.

Former users wrote on 8/28/2017, 7:59 PM

My "guess" for best nvenc quality settings, still going to be fast, ...

Preset .. Low Latency HQ and

Rate Control .. Low Delay, CBR-HQ.

CPU although slower probably still better quality for same size.

Really nice to have the option at last though, thanks Magix dev. team.

Chief24 wrote on 8/28/2017, 8:54 PM

Hi All,

A test I previously did: https://www.moviestudiozen.com/forum/general-computer-hardware/1488-vegas-pro-14-using-asus-rx-480-vs-msi-gtx-1070

 

Here's some new information that I did with the "Trial Version" of VP 15:

With a quick retest of the above using the updated build 270 for VP14: Sony AVC/AAC took 8m 6s @ 23.976 Bitrate 16Mb/s file @ .98GB

VP15 Trial Build 177: Magix AVC Internet 1080p23.976 (NVenc enabled) - 4 min 05 sec @ 12 Mb/s & 834 MB

Also tried the Intel HEVC for fun: 23 min 30 sec @ 12 Mb/s & 832 MB (this was basically to test - sucks in that you need the newer Kaby Lake processor with Native HEVC Hardware decode - so if on the Intel HEDT platform, bummer!😠)

The test system and files used are listed in the above link from what I had done. Also, for those that had the older SeMW extensions on VP14, I read the posts earlier, saw there was an update to them, and ran it prior to "initializing" VP15, along with a reboot of my machine. Worked fine.

Now, if they can only get rid of that goofy "Vegas" copyright for the trial...

Oh, the only other thing I noticed, was that having the NewBlue FX from VP14, it now had a big "X" during the title for the above test file. Can deal with that issue later if need be, should I upgrade. Just wanted to get this update on rendering test out. Still not sure if I want to swap cards from the GTX 1070 in it now, and try the RX 480..."Let sleeping Dogs Lie?"

Oh, and if you do check the above, the GoPro Hero 5 Black file I used was not "transcoded" using GoPro Studio to .avi, and it was left at 3840x2160/30p .mp4 format. Just threw it on the timeline. Yeah, wanted to put that test rig through some "Pain!" Heh, Heh.

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Former users wrote on 8/29/2017, 4:23 AM

Nvenc testing in VP15 ... Red Car test ...

I left the RC value to be the auto selected one chosen by selecting first the Preset.

In VP15 using Magix 1920x1080 template that "matches=" 29.97fps and data rate of 24/12

 

  ------------------------------   Preset    -------------------------      Rate Connect      ----          Time 

-0 Nvenc not used           N/A                                                       N/A                     1m:59s

-1 Nvenc used               Default                                                   VBR                           27s

-2 Nvenc used               High Performance                                CBR                           26s

-3 Nvenc used               High Quality                                          VBR                           27s

-4 Nvenc used               Low Latency- High Quality       Low Delay, CBR-HQ           27s

-5 Nvenc used               Low Latency- High Perf.           Low Delay, CBR-HQ           27s 

-6 Nvenc used               Low Latency- Default                Low Delay, CBR-HQ           30s

DESKTOP PC ...

Motherboard .. MAXIMUS VII RANGER.  Z97 Express chipset. 4th and 5th. generation intel.  Supports 6 x 6GB/s SATA ports.

CPU .. Haswell Core i7-4790K. (Intel® HD Graphics 4600) socket FCLGA1150

Memory .. Corsair DDR3 16GB.  Vengeance Pro Black DDR3 1866MHz CL9.

MSI GTX 1080 Z

CPU cooling .. Corsair H80i.

Case .. Corsair Graphite 760T, white.

Power supply .. Corsair HX750i. 750 watt.

Samsung SSD 840 series, 250GB.

Samsung SSD 850 series, 500GB.

Seagate HD ST3000DM001-1CH166 3 TB.

Seagate HD ST8000AS0002-1NA17Z 8TB.

Peter_P wrote on 8/29/2017, 4:36 AM

Using the QSV version of the new Magix AVC/AAV encoder the Vp11 benchmark is rendered to FHDp30 12/24Mbps in 26s (F=0.248). The output file is 87.1MB

HEADMASTER wrote on 8/29/2017, 10:06 AM

-Render one 4k mov 1m 3s in magix vegas 14 pro render in 2m 12s

-Render the same in Magix vegas 15 with the Magix AVC/AAC encoder with nvidia GTX970 only 43s.

Finally the hardware acceleration works with Nvidia. 😃😃😃

 

Hey Peter_P and preview windows is fluid? Or laggy?

HEADMASTER wrote on 8/29/2017, 10:08 AM

Users of Sony Vegas pro 15, I am now using an AMD rx 460 (which is doing a slightly better job (not much ... but better) than my gtx 770. Now that there is a new version, which supposedly, It supports the best of nvidia's gpu's, has anyone tested and seen difference? Is the preview fluid? Does rendering work?
But i want work with my gtx, because is more powerful....Is it worth the update?

Thanks to all!
 

Peter_P wrote on 8/29/2017, 10:32 AM

Hey Peter_P and preview windows is fluid? Or laggy?

You always need to specify the framerate when talking about 4k/UHD preview and rendering. I’m normally using UHDp30 and this is ‘fluid’ on my current system. While with UHDp50 it takes some frames until the full framerate is shown. This can be overcome by using the UHD footage in a FHD project.

Even better, the influence to the preview of activated scopes is strongly reduced.

Nick Hope wrote on 8/29/2017, 10:40 AM

Users of Sony Vegas pro 15, I am now using an AMD rx 460 (which is doing a slightly better job (not much ... but better) than my gtx 770. Now that there is a new version, which supposedly, It supports the best of nvidia's gpu's, has anyone tested and seen difference? Is the preview fluid? Does rendering work?
But i want work with my gtx, because is more powerful....Is it worth the update?

Still early days but quick summary as I am seeing it:

  • Preview with OpenCL on AMD or NVIDIA GPUs: No significant change from VP14 yet but improvement hoped for in VP15 updates.
  • Preview with Intel integrated graphics: New feature and delivers some improvement depending on which Intel CPU.[EDIT: On running VP12/13/14 on my laptop I now see that this is NOT a new feature!]
  • AVC rendering with NVIDIA NVENC and Intel QSV: Significant speed improvements reported.
  • AVC rendering with AMD VCE: Hoped for in VP15 updates.
     

I'm happy to be corrected if any of this is incorrect.

p.s. Sony sold Vegas last year

astar wrote on 8/30/2017, 12:45 AM

"Still early days but quick summary as I am seeing it:

Preview with OpenCL on AMD or NVIDIA GPUs: No significant change from VP14 yet but improvement hoped for in VP15 updates.

Preview with Intel integrated graphics: New feature and delivers some improvement depending on which Intel CPU.

AVC rendering with NVIDIA NVENC and Intel QSV: Significant speed improvements reported.

AVC rendering with AMD VCE: Hoped for in VP15 updates."

 

SO. OpenCL runs the Timeline, some amount of codec decodes, helps with 32-bit Float modes, and VP15 leans on NVENC and QSV 1st? With AMD VCE coming soon, and AMD having the best OpenCL support? This sounds little like WTF?

I guess I can see QSV support since almost everyone runs an Intel CPU.

Then again AMD is only has the hottest chips on the market at the time of this writing, offering the most bang for the buck. Causing Intel to quick step their product iterations to not lose market share, not to mention the attempted strong arming reports.

I guess I don't see rendering as the biggest problem. I tend to spend more time editing than rendering, and would have liked to have seen multiple GPUs support, or an 8Kx8K engine upgrade.

HEADMASTER wrote on 8/30/2017, 8:11 AM

Hey Peter_P and preview windows is fluid? Or laggy?

You always need to specify the framerate when talking about 4k/UHD preview and rendering. I’m normally using UHDp30 and this is ‘fluid’ on my current system. While with UHDp50 it takes some frames until the full framerate is shown. This can be overcome by using the UHD footage in a FHD project.

Even better, the influence to the preview of activated scopes is strongly reduced.

Peter, my gtx 770 when I post a video (1920 x 1080 @ 30p 28 Mb / s) the preview in "best" falls a little to 27 ~ fps, now when I put an FX (like ... color correction or another one, I get about 3 / 4fps. What I want is a fluid preview (with FX), since I spend more time editing than rendering (this I leave all night to do).
Is it worth it to jump from VP14 to VP15? With an Nvidia?

Once again, thank you for the brief reply!

Nick Hope wrote on 8/30/2017, 9:14 AM
Peter, my gtx 770 when I post a video (1920 x 1080 @ 30p 28 Mb / s) the preview in "best" falls a little to 27 ~ fps, now when I put an FX (like ... color correction or another one, I get about 3 / 4fps. What I want is a fluid preview (with FX), since I spend more time editing than rendering (this I leave all night to do).

Is it worth it to jump from VP14 to VP15? With an Nvidia?

Not the current build 177, if it's solely for the purpose of fluid preview. But it's hoped that forthcoming VP15 updates will improve it.

Tips on smooth playback are here.

Peter_P wrote on 8/30/2017, 10:37 AM
 

Is it worth it to jump from VP14 to VP15? With an Nvidia?

Once again, thank you for the brief reply!

I have no experience with the Nvidia support and personally prefer the internal GPU of the actual and comming Intel CPUs. They are very good supported in Vegas pro now.

ahshing wrote on 8/31/2017, 1:23 AM

Does anyone can make a comparison to render a AVC file with Intel QSV and Nvidia NVENC?

My result was weird, with a same project Intel QSV takes 15mins while Nvidia NVENC takes 18mins.

My computer is a Dell XPS15 9550 laptop, Intel 6700HQ CPU and Nvidia GTX960M GPU

Thank you guys!

 

 

Result of Intel QSV:

 

Result of Nvidia NVENC

Peter_P wrote on 8/31/2017, 1:53 AM

Did you try to use the GPU that is not selected for rendering as the display acceleration GPU? e.g. set the Intel GPU for display acceleration and render with NVENC.