Slow motion VFX crashing computer

johnnyrr wrote on 8/28/2020, 11:53 AM

The Vegas Pro slow motion vfx plugin is causing my computer to crash almost immediately once I hit play (have only tried at 50% speed so far). I'm currently using Vegas Pro 18 Suite. I was previously using Vegas Pro 15 so I haven't used the slow motion vfx until I purchased Vegas Pro 18.

I thought it might be my Nvidia Graphics card (GeForce GTX 1070) causing the issue but after updating the driver today (v452.06) and rebooting my computer, I still have the same issue.

I then turned off the "GPU acceleration of video processing" in the Preferences Video Tab. After doing that, my computer didn't crash but it won't even play a 3 second clip... tried the "Build Dynamic Ram Preview" too but that didn't work either (with the screen constantly flickering on/off, which might be a big hint as to why the computer crashed).

And here's some computer build info if it helps:

  • OS Name: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
  • Version: 10.0.19041 Build 19041
  • Processor:  Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-6850K CPU @ 3.60GHz, 3201 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s)
  • Installed Physical Memory (RAM):  32.0 GB
  • Available Physical Memory:  20.8 GB
  • Total Virtual Memory:  108 GB
  • Available Virtual Memory:  93.2 GB

Any suggestions for fixing this issue would be most appreciated!

Comments

Espadon wrote on 8/29/2020, 8:31 AM

My Dynamic Preview is set to 200 (to prevent other issues) and the playback stutters using this fx. Try rendering the clip out to project or clip settings and place back on the timeline. I've had good results with this.

Windows 11Pro 64bit 21H2

Intel i9-12900K 32GB DDR5 - 6000 (XMP II) RAM

C:\ Samsung PCIe 4.0 Nvme 980 Pro. E:\ Samsung 980 Pro

Nvidia Getforce RTX3080Ti. Studio Driver 516.59

Intel UHD Graphics 770. Driver 30.0.101.1994

Sound Card: SB Audigy 5/RX

Vegas Pro Edit 19 Build 643

john_dennis wrote on 8/29/2020, 11:46 AM

@johnnyrr

I wouldn't have thought to look for an fX to do Slow Motion without you bringing the problem to the forum. It's working OK for me on the system from my signature with 120 fps video source.

Have you tried doing slow motion the old fashioned way? That process has worked for years and years and years and years.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 8/29/2020, 12:24 PM

I found the Vegas fx plugin does not crash my computers which have amd cards. But I found it difficult to control. Because I used it in conjunction with an animated bezier mask and about 4 instances of secondary color correction and everything shifted when I applied the slomo fx. Plus it was doing allot of unnecessary interpolation... I shot at 120 fps and all that was needed was to drop the frame rate to 30 for 1/4 speed. Found it better all around to edit and render out of Vegas 18 at the full frame rate and knock it down to 30 externally with ffmpeg or vDub2 using its ffmpeg codec option. It does recompress the frames but at least does no interpolation or mask shifting.

Bofus wrote on 8/29/2020, 12:49 PM

This process works well with my NVIDIA RTX2080 card.

johnnyrr wrote on 8/29/2020, 2:01 PM

@Espadon My dynamic RAM preview is set to 1000, but I can't remember what the default setting was (above or below 200)? Are you suggesting that utilizing more RAM than the default is better... or not as good? I would think utilizing more RAM would be better?

I also tried your suggestion to render out the clip in slow motion before trying to use it... seemed like an excellent idea. But, it crashed my computer. I rendered it w/o using "GPU assist" but I think I may have had the "GPU acceleration of video processing" turned on in the Video Preferences Tab? I wanted to double check it, but...

Upon reboot, there was an error when I tried to launch Vegas (error code -59, "You don't have the license to use this software"). Not cool. After doing some research, it appeared that the best solution was to uninstall / reinstall Vegas. I did that and Vegas was running again. But now, each time I launch Vegas it goes thru the license validation process (it should've only done it the first time after installation)... which takes a few extra clicks and about 20 seconds of time to say my license is activated. I'll have to figure out how to eliminate this little bug now.

However, I still wanted to see if I could run the slow motion plugin. So, I rendered it out with the Magix Intermediate HQ codec. It was a 3 second clip that I setup at 30% speed so I rendered out 9 seconds. It didn't crash my computer but took about 35 minutes to complete the render. Wow, incredibly slow, but I'm not sure if it was completely the fault of the slow motion plugin or the Intermediate HQ codec (since I never used that codec before). The payoff was the worst part though.... the clip look horrible after reviewing it, very poor intermediate frames, did not look natural at all. I used it on a clip that was handheld and panning so maybe it was a poor choice for the plugin??

johnnyrr wrote on 8/29/2020, 2:21 PM

@johnnyrr

I wouldn't have thought to look for an fX to do Slow Motion without you bringing the problem to the forum. It's working OK for me on the system from my signature with 120 fps video source.

Have you tried doing slow motion the old fashioned way? That process has worked for years and years and years and years.

@john_dennis I was using the slow motion vfx with 29.97fps footage. It's supposed to create new intermediate frames so the footage can be slowed down. If I had 120fps footage, just reducing the rate to 1/4 speed would work perfectly and there'd be no need for this plugin. However, if you wanted to create a 10% speed with your footage, then you'd need something like this plugin to achieve a good looking / smooth clip. Unfortunately, I have not had good luck using this plugin yet.

 

john_dennis wrote on 8/29/2020, 4:26 PM

@johnnyrr

I used the Slow Motion fX on XAVC-S UHD 29.97p and rendered successfully with these results:

UHD 30P Analyze Fine PB Rate 0.5

UHD 30P Analyze Fine PB Rate 0.33

UHD 30P Analyze Fine PB Rate 0.25

Compare that to FHD-120 FPS media of the same subject at twice real time:

...or the same subject at four times real time:

walter-i. wrote on 8/30/2020, 2:11 AM

It becomes very clear: miracles only exist in fairy tales.
In (video) technology you should create the best possible conditions during the recording and not rely on the possibilities of the software in post-production.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 8/30/2020, 2:43 AM

That's very insightful. I try my best to do everything perfectly during the shoot but more often than I like find myself dreaming up creative ways to cover up my lapses somehow in post. Flexible software helps. B-cam may be the best insurance.

john_dennis wrote on 8/30/2020, 2:45 AM

@walter-i.

An astute observation.

walter-i. wrote on 8/30/2020, 2:49 AM

That's very insightful. I try my best to do everything perfectly during the shoot but more often than I like find myself dreaming up creative ways to cover up my lapses somehow in post.

Unfortunately, that's the way it is with me again and again.😰
It's just a hobby for me

@john_dennis
Also from my side: Thank you very much for this informative comparison.

Former user wrote on 8/30/2020, 4:46 AM

The payoff was the worst part though.... the clip look horrible after reviewing it, very poor intermediate frames, did not look natural at all. I used it on a clip that was handheld and panning so maybe it was a poor choice for the plugin??

You don't get twixtor quality optical flow slow motion with VegasPro. It makes too many mistakes. There's twixtor and Happy Otter Tools as Paid options, and Davinci Resolve as a free option. They are similar in quality. I don't use Vegas slowmo. it's not dependable, and interface buggy

walter-i. wrote on 8/30/2020, 5:07 AM

It would be better if the TO uploaded their source footage so someone who has Vegas and Twixtor could render a comparison.
Commercials are of no use because there is no comparison.
And - as already mentioned above - miracles only exist in fairy tales.

Former user wrote on 8/30/2020, 5:21 AM

Someone has done a comparison when I was complaining about vegas not doing a good job at an eagle swooping down. It was only 1 scene. Twixtor, Resolve, Happy Otter Tools all acceptable, but not Vegas. If the scene was a static brick wall back ground with camera on tripod and 1/1000 second shutter and a tennis ball dropped, I bet Vegas would do a good job but not so much on complex scenes