VEGAS PRO 17 not using AMD VCE , i have RX 6400 GPU.

mikesus wrote on 2/24/2023, 11:34 PM

VEGAS PRO 17 not using AMD VCE in my new RX 6400 graphics card.
Earlier I was in VEGA 8 GPU which is an integrated one with my existing processor RYZEN 3 2200G CPU.
IT used to run with more than 90% GPU usage but now not more than 7-14% GPU and bottleneck of my CPU.

ALL MY SOFTWARE IS UPDATED .
I am using WINDOWS 10.
tried every possible solution available but nothing seems to work,
--- like downgrading to 22.5.1 of Amd Adrenalin
--- updating to latest version of every piece of software
--- installing latest Vegas PRO 20.
--- installing version 14, 18, 19
--- every setting in preferences
--- trying Magix hevc/acc mp4, magix intermediate, mainconcept MPEG 1,2 BUT GPU USAGE IS VERY LOW.
--- Sony avc/mvc --> customize template --> system --> open cl available
but still nothing works.

~ in encorder mode only 2 things is available
1. intel qsv
2.mainconcept hevc.
no amd vce.

only intel is showing.
nothing works.

In my laptop with nVIDIA GeForce 1650 , the Vegas pro 17 works fine same settings.
i dont know whats wrong with my PC or GPU or god know what.

Please help.

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RogerS wrote on 2/25/2023, 3:43 AM

If you upgraded GPUs, make sure all traces of the old one are gone. Try a DDU uninstall to get rid of all AMD drivers. Then reinstall your video card using 22.5.1 for now.

Then reset Vegas.

See if VCE appears under MagixAVC or MagixHEVC. It will never appear under SonyAVC, Magix intermediate, mainconcept MPEG 1,2 so don't bother with those.

mikesus wrote on 2/25/2023, 4:22 AM

I did as you said, but
nothing changed..

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 2/25/2023, 10:14 AM

Wow, Ryzen G-series.... often wondered if that worked with Vegas. You may be the 1st to report trying one. That has an Intel igpu too? The CPU may be similar to the Intel NUC that I use which has Vega8 and hd630 igpus. It has no external video options so I've never had to deal with your issue.

What does the Vegas video preferences screen look like? Do you see 3 selections there... the Intel igpu, the Vega8 igpu, and the new AMD 6400? You want to select the 6400 and it should be tagged as Optimal. If the 6400 is missing or not tagged as Optimal, you should probably add the vegas17 executable into Windows settings for System/Display/Graphics and explicitly assign it to use the AMD 6400. That should cause the Optimal tag to get applied in Vegas video prefs.

If the old Vega8 is there but the new 6400 is missing, you may need to go into bios and see if there's a way to disable the Vega8. Another possibility if your bios doesn't have that option, is to go into the Windows device manager and disable the Vega8 there... but doing it in bios is better if it's possible. I think it's a good idea to disable the Vega8 one way or another to avoid Vegas getting confused on which to use rendering vce... it has no explicit selection options I've been able to find when multiple devices can render vce, qsv, or nvenc.

mikesus wrote on 2/25/2023, 11:20 AM

Wow, Ryzen G-series.... often wondered if that worked with Vegas. You may be the 1st to report trying one. That has an Intel igpu too? The CPU may be similar to the Intel NUC that I use which has Vega8 and hd630 igpus. It has no external video options so I've never had to deal with your issue.

So my processor is Ryzen 3 2200G
Earlier it used Vega 8 GPU and 2gb of my ram .🙃
nothing Intel here.
Intel is just available all the time, it basically uses my AMD CPU.

What does the Vegas video preferences screen look like? Do you see 3 selections there... the Intel igpu, the Vega8 igpu, and the new AMD 6400? You want to select the 6400 and it should be tagged as Optimal. If the 6400 is missing or not tagged as Optimal, you should probably add the vegas17 executable into Windows settings for System/Display/Graphics and explicitly assign it to use the AMD 6400. That should cause the Optimal tag to get applied in Vegas video prefs.

without my new gpu RX6400,
there were 2 options
1. with intel
2. Amd VCE (for vega 8)

everything was running fine except this blue screen that i was getting very often
and also wanted to give less stress to cpu all the time.
so i brought this GPU day before yesterday.

but after installing new GPU.
Vega 8 got automatically disabled and my ram switched from 6 gb to 8.
there is only 1 option the Intel and no AMD VCE so vega 8 is for sure not available.
i tried the first solution by @RogerS but it didn't helped.

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Video Preferences

If the old Vega8 is there but the new 6400 is missing, you may need to go into bios and see if there's a way to disable the Vega8. Another possibility if your bios doesn't have that option, is to go into the Windows device manager and disable the Vega8 there... but doing it in bios is better if it's possible. I think it's a good idea to disable the Vega8 one way or another to avoid Vegas getting confused on which to use rendering vce... it has no explicit selection options I've been able to find when multiple devices can render vce, qsv, or nvenc.

i checked all specifications in windows and AMD graphics driver.
the RX 6400 gpu is primary, and in BIOS integrated gpu is turned off.

.

I installed Vegas Pro 20 in trial version.
but same problem
no GPU rendering.
all CPU rendering.
and all settings are same as Vegas pro 17.

For now i am using Screen Capture Software.
just playing my video in full screen and recording, then trim out front and back.
Does the job..... for now. 😓

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 2/25/2023, 2:15 PM

It's funny that it would give you a qsv render option if there's no Intel igpu seen. If you hold down the shift key when clicking Help in vp20, there will also be a menu choice for "Launch Hardware Detection" which is also informative on what gpus Vegas sees.

john_dennis wrote on 2/25/2023, 2:24 PM

@Howard-Vigorita said: "It's funny that it would give you a qsv render option if there's no Intel igpu seen."

Stranger things have happened in Vegas 17.

I made this statement in that thread.

"I’ve made a vow of celibacy to never buy a processor with video built-in for my primary workstation."

I have since broken my vow.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 2/25/2023, 2:47 PM

Just read a review of the amd 6400 and it stopped just short of quoting a song title from Disraeli Gears:

https://www.techspot.com/review/2456-amd-radeon-6400/

"The RX 6400 has inherited all the shortcomings that plagued the 6500 XT: we're still looking at a PCIe 4.0 x4 interface, no hardware encoding, and no AV1 decode." Lack of vce mystery solved.

Also, "There's no delicate way to put this, the RX 6400 is a cut down version of the much loved RX 6500 XT, and yes, for those of you who can't sense sarcasm, that was sarcasm..."

"The 6500 XT was almost universally hated, so it'll be interesting to see if the power and size advantages of the 6400 can help it overcome a 25% reduction in core and ROP count, an 18% decrease in core frequency, and an 11% reduction in memory clocks and bandwidth."

The Vega8 is pretty capable in my experience. If Vegas is already confused over qsv, adding an Arc a380 instead might confound it more. Adding something like an Nvidia 1660 instead would probably be a safer bet.

mikesus wrote on 2/25/2023, 9:14 PM

It's funny that it would give you a qsv render option if there's no Intel igpu seen. If you hold down the shift key when clicking Help in vp20, there will also be a menu choice for "Launch Hardware Detection" which is also informative on what gpus Vegas sees.

ah man ! seriously !!!

mikesus wrote on 2/25/2023, 9:47 PM

this is a non returnable item from amazon.
lets see how amazon reacts to this.

fr0sty wrote on 2/25/2023, 10:18 PM

Ebay it to some other poor chap if not...

I'd recommend a GPU with at least 8GB VRAM when choosing a new one, the more the better. Other than that, the number of cores/shader units aren't as important to VEGAS, it does help, but it isn't those shader units doing the video decoding and encoding when using VCE/NVENC/NVDEC/etc... that is separate circuitry on the chip handling all that, and that stuff is the same across all the GPUs, from the cheaper ones to the flagships. For instance, my 3090 doesn't encode NVENC any faster than my RTX 2060, but it does slightly help improve timeline playback and effects acceleration (actually the difference with effects is more than just small, especially with Neat Video). So, you don't have to buy the top of the line flagship, chances are you can go mid-range and still get something that will get you most of the way to where the flagship would have. I'd suggest an RTX 3060 or 3070, since the 40 series is out now, you might be able to score one for a good deal. If not, get the RTX 40xx series.

Avoid buying GPUs used, as you don't know if you're getting a crypto mining card that was ran hot 24/7 for months.

mikesus wrote on 2/25/2023, 11:26 PM

my budget around 200 USD and i spent around 170 in this one , I'll have to do something for my current GPU and see how much i get for this one.,
thanks .

RogerS wrote on 2/26/2023, 12:02 AM

Maybe stick with the Vega 8 for now, sell the AMD and see if you can get a good deal on a used card?

I got a RTX 2080 Super (which should exceed a 3060 for most purposes) for about $300 on Ebay a few months ago. Intel Arc cards seem to be maturing with their drivers so a good priced a750 could be worth considering?

mikesus wrote on 2/26/2023, 12:29 AM

I will get this one ASUS GeForce GTX 1650 OC Edition 4GB GDDR6 Graphics Card.
this will be in my budget if am able to sell or return this rx6400 headache.😐
and i also have 1650 ddr5 version in my laptop. 😓

fr0sty wrote on 2/26/2023, 1:43 AM

Just keep in mind 8GB is recommended as a minimum for 4K editing.

fr0sty wrote on 2/26/2023, 1:45 AM

So, you an expect to be able to edit 1080p ok, but you'll probably have poor performance at 4K, and may need to create proxies in order to get that performance up to usable levels. Also keep in mind that with only 4GB, external plugins you use with VEGAS might eat into that, leaving even less for VEGAS, which can cause stability issues sometimes. I've had Neat Video make VEGAS crash because it was gobbling up all of my VRAM.

mikesus wrote on 2/26/2023, 1:51 AM

i just need 1080p 60fps videos.
4k is not required in near future,
my videos are not as long as 20- 30 min.
just 5-10 min range.
I will build a better pc for 4k, this is for minimum requirements only.

mikesus wrote on 2/27/2023, 6:56 AM

Update:
So Amazon accepted the refund,
and they dont want the GPU back.
LoL.
my budget just got doubled.

RogerS wrote on 2/27/2023, 7:26 AM

I'd go used and move up at least a generation for GPU- NVIDIA, AMD, Intel, they'll all be better than that AMD and better than a GTX 1650 for Vegas.