VEGAS Pro 22 running on ARM spotted at Computex!

marchwill wrote on 6/13/2024, 11:09 AM

Hey folks! Just thought I'd share something interesting I saw last week while covering Computex for those of us who have been waiting on the next version of VEGAS Pro.

At the Qualcomm suite they were demonstrating the new Snapdragon X Elite laptops - and at the Dell XPS booth we saw a video playing with a demo of VEGAS Pro 22 running a smart mask plugin to isolate a person from the background. The main demonstration was how it was taking advantage of the NPU to perform this AI based task. So not only it was running on ARM, seems like it was fully optimzed for NPU acceleration!

I didn't capture the whole video, but here's part of it. The full demo included a task manager opening and showing the NPU in use. A Qualcomm spokesperson told me that this was an early teaser of the upcoming version 22.

Native support for ARM will be a great deal to work on the new Snapdragon laptops - which promise great battery life. Also explains why this version is taking a lot longer than the previous ones. Very exciting stuff, devs! Keep up the good work!

 

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Howard-Vigorita wrote on 6/13/2024, 11:53 AM

Ha, ha, so maybe we'll be able to run Vegas on our cell phones too.

john_dennis wrote on 6/13/2024, 11:59 AM

??“Native support for ARM”.??

RogerS wrote on 6/13/2024, 8:58 PM

Very interesting.

I see from John's link: "Windows 11 adds the ability to run unmodified x64 Windows apps on Arm devices!"
I'd be surprised if VEGAS will be a native ARM app at any time in the near future. That said if VEGAS works thanks to Windows- great!

VEGAS fully using the AI capabilities of various CPUs and GPUs is more expected as we've seen such a framework put in place a few years ago.

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Todd-AO wrote on 6/13/2024, 9:46 PM
 

I'd be surprised if VEGAS will be a native ARM app at any time in the near future. That said if VEGAS works thanks to Windows- great!

@RogerS It's native

 

john_dennis wrote on 6/13/2024, 10:42 PM

"Windows 10 enables existing unmodified x86 apps to run on Arm devices. Windows 11 adds the ability to run unmodified x64 Windows apps on Arm devices!"

There was a time, (unfortunately, I remember it) when DOS 3.1 applications ran better on IBM OS/2 than they ran on PC-DOS. As I remember, OS/2 made better use of the 32 bit processors of the time than a 16 bit OS. But, then I've forgotten a lot of other stuff. Just ask my wife.

Over dinner, I mentioned Vegas of ARM to my wife. She feigned interest like she has many other times over the last 56 years. She even let me cover the history of Apple going from PowerPC to Intel Processors then to...

RogerS wrote on 6/13/2024, 11:00 PM

Maybe recompiling is less resource intensive than I imagined. Otherwise I'd be surprised Magix would devote resources to this rather limited market given other pressing issues.

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 6/15/2024, 9:50 PM

Interesting indeed!

MikeS wrote on 6/16/2024, 11:51 AM

If it is true then I suspect someone is going to be in trouble for breaching an embargo. I can't believe this is the way Magix would want any announcement about an upcoming release to reach the world

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BruceUSA wrote on 6/16/2024, 2:57 PM

If it is true then I suspect someone is going to be in trouble for breaching an embargo. I can't believe this is the way Magix would want any announcement about an upcoming release to reach the world

This type stuff is call leaks. Its happened all the times in the tech world. Not much Magix can do about it. It obvious, that Magix provided the software.

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john_dennis wrote on 6/16/2024, 3:51 PM

@MikeS

You wouldn’t be “breaching an embargo” on Intel’s next chipset, would you?

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Adis-a wrote on 6/16/2024, 4:29 PM

Not much of an embargo if it can be so easily breached.

BTW, what embargo?

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 6/16/2024, 5:50 PM

New chips and chip-sets are often shipped to suppliers in advance of official release but they might not be allowed to sell them or take pre-orders before the release date. I'm not aware Qualcomm does that. I know Intel does. I remember a number of years ago news of Newegg shipping orders of Intel cpus a week early... that might have been a mistake or response to Intel jumping the gun taking its own consumer pre-orders. As I recall, Newegg asked customers to not brag about it even though they were not bound lest everyone, including Intel, be hurt by an Intel-Newegg confrontation.

MikeS wrote on 6/17/2024, 2:24 AM

This type stuff is call leaks. Its happened all the times in the tech world. Not much Magix can do about it. It obvious, that Magix provided the software.

Yes, well aware of what a leak is. But this goes way beyond a leak - it seems to be a public demo at a large public tech expo.

It obvious, that Magix provided the software.

Sure. And it is likely that Magix will share new software with various partners and associates prior to official launch for various reasons. And they'll all be under some form of embargo, such as dated-limited NDAs, to not release info about the product until Magix say so.

 

Not much of an embargo if it can be so easily breached

Most embargos rely on humans respecting them. There may be consequences of not doing so, but the actual act is always pretty easy

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RogerS wrote on 6/17/2024, 2:36 AM

Weren't Magix there themselves promoting VEGAS? I haven't seen any substance of VP 22 released online so assume they kept control of what they wanted to be out there.

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VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
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VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Adis-a wrote on 6/17/2024, 3:33 AM
 

Not much of an embargo if it can be so easily breached

Most embargos rely on humans respecting them. There may be consequences of not doing so, but the actual act is always pretty easy

Wrong logic. Since the embargo is not counted as friendly act, but the opposite - as hostile one - it should be ensured that the one against whom the embargo is introduced does not have a bigger stick. If we truly are speaking of embargo, that is...

MikeS wrote on 6/17/2024, 3:53 AM

@MikeS

You wouldn’t be “breaching an embargo” on Intel’s next chipset, would you?

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MikeS wrote on 6/17/2024, 4:20 AM

truly are speaking of embargo

I suspect we are speaking at some sort of cross-purposes here. You seem to be thinking I am talking about some sort of trade embargo type of thing. However I am talking about something like a press embargo, described by Wikipedia as

"a request or requirement by a source that the information or news provided by that source not be published until a certain date or certain conditions have been met"

These may be enforced through such legal mechanisms as an NDA.

But perhaps this usage is only common in the UK, where I am based

 

 

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VEGASPascal wrote on 6/17/2024, 4:23 AM

I don't think it's a leak to say that we're working on VEGAS Pro 22... but it's also true to say that we showed a beta of VEGAS Pro 22 as a native ARM version at Computex in Taiwan.

... jump to 8:55.

MikeS wrote on 6/17/2024, 5:02 AM

Ok, so yes, looking like it is an official preview ...

Interesting

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RogerS wrote on 6/17/2024, 6:04 AM

truly are speaking of embargo

I suspect we are speaking at some sort of cross-purposes here. You seem to be thinking I am talking about some sort of trade embargo type of thing. However I am talking about something like a press embargo, described by Wikipedia as

"a request or requirement by a source that the information or news provided by that source not be published until a certain date or certain conditions have been met"

These may be enforced through such legal mechanisms as an NDA.

But perhaps this usage is only common in the UK, where I am based

US English has the same meaning for a press/news embargo.

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VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

VEGASDerek wrote on 6/17/2024, 10:23 AM

This was not a leak and we VEGAS did have a representative at Computex for this as part of a demonstration. An alpha version of VEGAS Pro 22 was indeed running natively (not through Windows 11 compatibility mode) on the new Qualcomm Snapdragon ARM CPU and taking advantage of the new NPU technology associated with it.

fr0sty wrote on 6/17/2024, 6:53 PM

That is quite interesting... So, with VEGAS running native on ARM, and Apple Silicon being ARM based... Mac port eventually? Not that it would affect me personally, I'm a PC guy, but the rest of my festival video team are all Mac folks, so that would give them reason to consider moving over to VEGAS.

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john_dennis wrote on 6/17/2024, 7:16 PM

@fr0sty said: "Mac port eventually?"

That's not the way I see it based on this information. In this case, Windows handles hardware abstraction and the application programmers have much less to do.