VEGAS Pro 15 Update 4 (build 321) - General Discussion

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fr0sty wrote on 3/16/2018, 4:25 PM

Sorry! I will re-upload the project later tonight and send a link tomorrow.

Thanks!

IntelManagementEngine wrote on 3/17/2018, 2:47 AM

VEGAS Pro 15 Update 4 (build 321) has been released. Please give us your feedback in this thread.

If you already have build 311 or earlier installed, there is no need to uninstall it. The build 321 will overwrite your installation and retain your settings. Your computer will need to be online for activation after the update.

If you are installing VEGAS Pro 15 for the first time, it is generally better to install using a VEGAS Pro download manager. See here for details & links.

Official announcement with Patch Notes

VEGAS Pro 15 (build 321) installer

Previous general discussion thread


I bought a new laptop - wish I had saved my money. Looks like I may go to Adobe Premiere as I had Vegas 12 for years and never had a single issue. Now - it is an endless disaster. Vegas 15 build 321. Crashes in new and exciting ways below...

Brand new custom I7700 with 16GB ram. GeForce GTX 1060. Checked by shop - all is well.

Crashes in different ways. Memory exception crash. DLL related. But new one now hangs, continues countdown to projects end, screen goes blank, timeline curser does not move. Just keeps counting down to infinity. Have to use taskmanager to end program.

I have used the old Vegas 12 for years with zero problems. I upgraded to 15 and regret it every day. It has caused me no end of grief. I've lost weeks. Note similar problems for many.

I'm at my wits end and will have to try Adobe Premiere and learn all over again.

Thanks.

EricLNZ wrote on 3/17/2018, 3:28 AM
I'm at my wits end and will have to try Adobe Premiere and learn all over again.

Thanks.

You could load Vegas 12 to use until 15 gets sorted out? Would save you having to learn a new programme.

kinetik wrote on 3/17/2018, 7:41 AM
 

Brand new custom I7700 with 16GB ram. GeForce GTX 1060. Checked by shop - all is well.

Crashes in different ways. Memory exception crash. DLL related. But new one now hangs, continues countdown to projects end, screen goes blank, timeline curser does not move. Just keeps counting down to infinity. Have to use taskmanager to end program.

I also have same spec laptop (Dell Inspiron 15 7000) and vegas 14 is really slow preview-rendering. Thankfully i have not upgraded to 15 but the trial version was somewhat better but lots of crashes (i also disliked the new interface too)...same goes for my more powerfull nvidia desktop pc. I recently bought resolve and im learning it, but so far im impressed by the speed, color correction and the final output quality. I'm willing to give vegas one last chance when v16 is released, but if it still lacks proper hardware compatibility/management ,then vegas is history to me.

wwjd wrote on 3/17/2018, 10:26 AM

Guys, DO try that so4compound DLL disable whatever fix listed. It SEEMS to have fixed almost all my issues. I didn't think I was using the file types it affected, but followed the instructions and guess what - it was using it in the background. SO FAR, has been 100% solid after disabling that DLL

michael-thompson wrote on 3/18/2018, 4:06 AM

You know, I have been using Vegas Pro for years. Several versions have had their problems, probably VP14 has been one of the most reliable, or it certainly seems that way along side VP15 which for me is an unmitigated disaster and frankly unusable. VP14 does everything I want it to do. VP15 crashes or freezes, sometimes the preview goes haywire. I have had VP15 since it was first published and I have fiddled with settings to try to find one that works reliably. The answer is that I haven't found one, so that even with the latest issue, I find little point in using it. At least I know that VP14 will give me a finished production. And I also know, for the present, that VP15 cannot guarantee to deliver the same. Is it my graphics card (the machine and graphics card (NVIDIA) are about 6 months old), is it that, I don't know. If this continues, it may well be bye bye Vegas Pro, bite the bullet and go for Adobe. I certainly don't want to spend good money on a program which for me, doesn't deliver.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 3/18/2018, 9:48 AM

Michael, let me guess: you use a nvidia 1080? Or which one? What type of footage? Give us more details please.

david-ruby wrote on 3/18/2018, 10:06 AM

I can still chime in that my footage runs fine till an edit cut or title programs come into play. Then they slow down playback and jump frames on cuts. XAVC-S, SONY A7S footage, Nvidia GEFORCE GTX 670. I can only compare Premiere Pro CC to Vegas 15. I previously worked with vegas from day one till Vegas 12 when there was the beginning of different types cameras and wrappers. Had to always take my footage and run a wrapper to edit. Got a bit tiresome so our company had to look for another software. Now I come back to Vegas 15 and was praying since it advertises XAVC-S native that we were gonna be rockin. I can only report what I have as problems and wait for a fix. Still holding the torch for Vegas though!!!!

I also was hoping some one would at least try my posted question earlier in the threads about playback stuttering while using a simple mask or titler program if it did for everyone else as well. I hope this community is as open hearted as we used to be on the Sony forum. It only helps all users in the end.

 

OldSmoke wrote on 3/18/2018, 10:16 AM

I can still chime in that my footage runs fine till an edit cut or title programs come into play. Then they slow down playback and jump frames on cuts. XAVC-S, SONY A7S footage, Nvidia GEFORCE GTX 670. I can only compare Premiere Pro CC to Vegas 15. I previously worked with vegas from day one till Vegas 12 when there was the beginning of different types cameras and wrappers. Had to always take my footage and run a wrapper to edit. Got a bit tiresome so our company had to look for another software. Now I come back to Vegas 15 and was praying since it advertises XAVC-S native that we were gonna be rockin. I can only report what I have as problems and wait for a fix. Still holding the torch for Vegas though!!!!

I also was hoping some one would at least try my posted question earlier in the threads about playback stuttering while using a simple mask or titler program if it did for everyone else as well. I hope this community is as open hearted as we used to be on the Sony forum. It only helps all users in the end.

@David

Did you disable the so4 compound plug in? My AX700 and a6300 XAVC-S footage should be same as the a7s. Granted it doesn’t do well but got a lot better when I disabled the so4. That was when I could still test VP15. In VP13 and VP14 it is also rather “heavy” on the system, even straight cuts will slow it down; all this is with Best/Full preview and 8bit. 32bit is a no go.

XAVC-S is extremely compute intensive and if I got the time, I just convert it to XAVC-I with Catalyst Browse and that runs much better in any version of Vegas.

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

HEADMASTER wrote on 3/18/2018, 10:47 AM

Render aok, just the “Vegas has stopped working ...” crap at the end when I exited Vegas, sometimes happens.  25m 51seconds render time on laptop, see my profile for info. on laptop.

Output file size 3.64 gb, overall data rate 51.0 MB/s, 420, 4K uhd.

Output settings in render template ...

Magix MC .mp4 

Video tab ..

23.976fps

4K UHD

Nvenc used ...

50/135 data rate

High Quality 

VBR

Audio tab ... 256 data rate

Project tab ... Video rendering quality .. best

Project settings are already as you set, 32 bit pixel format etc.

I’ll test on PC later, no Neat Video used, no missing files now.

Your preview window rendering...is fast?

Already edit in 4k (with or without FX effect) and get a preview at least 30fps playback?
And with or without proxy?

I'm thinking of investing in one and I need to know if they are at least able to get an edit with:
4k 100mbps 30fps without created proxys and with some FX (ex: color; stabilizer ...)

So for those who use these gpus ...

Please tell me if the version of Vegas Pro 14 or 15 (are the ones I use).
What media are you using...
I use:
XAVC QFHD (3840 x 2160) @ 29.97p, 100Mbps.
(But not all use, if you can specify which uses would be grateful) Sony PXW-Z150

What Fx you put, I just want to know with some Fx example: color Corrector (with the above settings) if you have falls below 30fps (preview window), if possible with stabilize (refer if you use).

Former user wrote on 3/18/2018, 11:10 AM

You quote me here, but this was followup to Frostys project. Your post isn’t very clear to me. I think you’re inquiring about the GTX 1080? If so my CPU is less than Vegas specs. for 4K, they recommend 8 cores for 4K. I recently tested a small 4K https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/proxy/c813502342a0fd9df2cf/?link=https%3A//1drv.ms/f/s%21Anmf-WBsuMhP4HaM2b6_nYKww2AF upload from Oldsmoke and playback was excellent on PC, but the project had no FX added. I have to use proxies for playback with 4K, limit would be the CPU, (which is 4 core) not the GPU.

This was the thread with the above download link ... https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/nvidia-gtx-1080ti-11gb-gddr5x-352-bit-will-rendering-speed-up--110106/?page=2#ca683294

David wrote on 3/18/2018, 12:22 PM

@OldSmoke - you mean @david-ruby and not me, right?

AVsupport wrote on 3/18/2018, 4:42 PM

IMO VP doesn't use modern (gpu) features and (ram, vram) resources very effectively for timeline editing, thus leans very heavily on the CPU for most tasks, including VFX. This can strangle the performance scaling quickly especially when handling 4K material..

NVENC is perhaps a step in the right direction, but since its currently used for rendering only, this won't affect timeline performance.

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

IntelManagementEngine wrote on 3/19/2018, 2:23 AM
I'm at my wits end and will have to try Adobe Premiere and learn all over again.

Thanks.

You could load Vegas 12 to use until 15 gets sorted out? Would save you having to learn a new programme.


Not backwards compatible. Thats why I've been crying - literally.

IntelManagementEngine wrote on 3/19/2018, 2:25 AM

You know, I have been using Vegas Pro for years. Several versions have had their problems, probably VP14 has been one of the most reliable, or it certainly seems that way along side VP15 which for me is an unmitigated disaster and frankly unusable. VP14 does everything I want it to do. VP15 crashes or freezes, sometimes the preview goes haywire. I have had VP15 since it was first published and I have fiddled with settings to try to find one that works reliably. The answer is that I haven't found one, so that even with the latest issue, I find little point in using it. At least I know that VP14 will give me a finished production. And I also know, for the present, that VP15 cannot guarantee to deliver the same. Is it my graphics card (the machine and graphics card (NVIDIA) are about 6 months old), is it that, I don't know. If this continues, it may well be bye bye Vegas Pro, bite the bullet and go for Adobe. I certainly don't want to spend good money on a program which for me, doesn't deliver.


Vegas is so easy and intuitive. I would hate to see it go under. But what the hell do you do? This seems to be a serial problem. I dont feel comfortable using software for a big project, only to find it wont suddenly work because of a glitch.

 

gerdagerd wrote on 3/19/2018, 6:25 AM

with build 321 I still get freezing when So4compundplug is active and I open 2 or more instances of large projects in VEGAS. disabling so4 fixes the issue. I guess it is still the same memory leak.

loeun-l wrote on 3/19/2018, 10:37 AM

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bitman wrote on 3/19/2018, 11:43 AM

with build 321 I still get freezing when So4compundplug is active and I open 2 or more instances of large projects in VEGAS. disabling so4 fixes the issue. I guess it is still the same memory leak.

Interesting, You mean you have 2 Vegas programs open right?

Current system: VP 17 post (build 387), VP16 (suite) build 424, (uninstalled VP 13,14,15), Vegasaur, Magix Video Pro X (VPX11), Corel VS ultimate 2019, a lot of NEWBLUE plugins, Titler Pro 6, Mercalli 4.0, Respeedr, Vasco Da Gamma 12, VASST stuff, Production Assistent pro3, Boris Continuum 2020, Davinci Resolve Studio 16,...

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  • Videocard: NVIDEA RTX 2080Ti (Founders edition), NVIDEA studio drivers
  • Monitor: LG 38 inch ultra-wide (21x9) - Resolution: 3840x1600
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  • PS: Corsair HX1200i, Case: Silverstone fortress 2,
  • Misc: Logitech G910, Evoluent Vertical Mouse, shuttlePROv2

 

alejandro-alonso wrote on 3/23/2018, 10:05 PM

I see a lot of happy faces here as the result of this update, unfortunately for me I am now seeing the annoying "not responding" message when trying to open any project. If I let it V15 will take a while but eventually will open the project. Any ideas? It wasn't happening with build 261

Industrystandard wrote on 3/24/2018, 8:01 AM

Sigh..... I’ve experienced many issues at various times of using Vegas Pro and I too as well has become frustrated with the performance of Vegas Pro, 14 to be exact.

My computer specs:

Ryzen 1800x

AMD Radeon Frontier Edition GPU

32 gigs of Ram

Windows 10 64

with SSDs

and the performance is extremely bothersome because it’s like I’m using an underpowered system. I enjoy the UI, but I will have to learn one of the other programs. I don’t really have the time to learn the nuances of Another program, but my hands are forced.

Reyfox wrote on 3/24/2018, 3:19 PM

@industrystandard, curious as to what performance issues you have. I have VP14 Edit and VP 15 Suite. I don't do long form videos any more. Short, usually under 10 minutes, but they are 4K UHD. I don't quite have the computer horsepower you have, but editing on the timeline has been really great for me. Yes, using proxies for sure, and Preview>Full, but doing color correction, etc., has been painless for me. That, along with memory usage being less than VP15 at the moment. I am a novice with VP, but not so with editing. I bought VP because I was impressed with it's timeline editing performance. I do see I will have to upgrade to 32GB of RAM in the future when RAM prices come back to earth.

Computer specs:

Ryzen 1700X overclocked to 3.9Ghz

MSI Gaming X RX480 8GB RAM

16GB DDR4 3200 RAM

Win10 Pro 64

1TB SSD system drive, lots of mechanical storage drives.

Junior_Silva wrote on 3/24/2018, 7:41 PM

Vegas insists on staying open in the task manager after you close it, with any file, format, being fast or more complex editing! :/

Reyfox wrote on 3/25/2018, 8:52 AM

@Junior_Silva, can't say I've ever experienced it with VP14 or VP15. I have Taskmanager open on a second monitor to keep track of RAM and CPU usage. Whenever I've exited either program, it closes properly.

walter-i. wrote on 3/25/2018, 3:03 PM

@Junior_Silva, can't say I've ever experienced it with VP14 or VP15. I have Taskmanager open on a second monitor to keep track of RAM and CPU usage. Whenever I've exited either program, it closes properly.


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