VEGAS Pro 21 Build 108 General Discussion

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RogerS wrote on 8/30/2023, 9:43 PM

If you're using an AMD GPU don't bother with the screenshots as it's a known issue, just stay away from the 23.8 drivers.

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Reyfox wrote on 8/31/2023, 5:36 AM

Since I have never been a mind reader or use a crystal ball, it would have been nice to know from @Dean-Willoughby what specific computer hardware is being used. It's tough when people don't fill out even their user profile...

Dobrin-Tavcar wrote on 8/31/2023, 5:49 PM

I upgraded Vegas Pro Ver 20.0 to Ver 21.0 but I AGAIN get this message "The activation of AVC Intra + DVD Pro Codec Pack failed", when I try to import file from Sony a7IV recorded as NTSC 30p 4:2:2 10bit!!! I can open magix.com and  magix.net and I have admin rights! Notebook has RTX3060 and latest Nvidia drivers!

I installed HEVC Codec, but when I try to open 4:2:2 10bit video, I get error 0xc1010103. So the problem is in Windows codec??? But anyway, Vegas support team should know how to solve it and they don't! :( Which HEVC codec should I use???

Windows 22H2 with the latest updates (also drivers). Since Windows 11 version 22H2, the HEVC Video Extensions is built-in by default installation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/whats-new-windows-11-version-22h2

High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC) support

Starting in Windows 11, version 22H2, support for High Efficiency Video Coding (HEVC) is now available. You can play HEVC videos in any video app on your Windows 11 device. HEVC is designed to take advantage of hardware capabilities on some newer devices to support 4K and Ultra HD content. For devices that don't have hardware support for HEVC videos, software support is provided, but the playback experience might vary based on the video resolution and your devices performance.

So, how to solve this problem???????

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Windows 11 Home 22H2 Build 22621.2215

cityanimal wrote on 8/31/2023, 9:09 PM

I started a new project in Vegas Pro 21. The Vegas Media Generator Title and Text doesn't preview properly and won't reflect changes to text...and the sizing handles are not available in the preview window. What's going on?

gabgilson wrote on 9/1/2023, 3:13 AM

OK, every time I go to the Vegas Hub it asks me to sign-in, is this a bug or how it is now??

Hi @Cmin7669 Did you find a fix for this? I'm getting it also in V21. Each time I open the hub it asks me to log in again. In V20 it used to ask me about once a week which wasn't too bad. Sorry if already answered, can't see a reply in the pages that I got to. Thanks.

 

OK, every time I go to the Vegas Hub it asks me to sign-in, is this a bug or how it is now??

 

Reyfox wrote on 9/1/2023, 4:42 AM

@Dobrin-Tavcar I just played back a 4K HEVC in VP21 without any issues. My computer specs are in my signature.

Below is a screenshot of the clip being played at Best>Full, on a 24P 4K timeline.

Maybe a sample of your HEVC in the cloud to test?

RogerS wrote on 9/1/2023, 5:09 AM

I started a new project in Vegas Pro 21. The Vegas Media Generator Title and Text doesn't preview properly and won't reflect changes to text...and the sizing handles are not available in the preview window. What's going on?

NVIDIA mobile GPU user? Try the latest gaming driver. @cityanimal

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 9/1/2023, 10:25 AM

Sounds accurate to me. Yes I'm on a 13900K. I should have specified 60fps IPB. 24fps does indeed play back near perfectly. But 60fps is unusable without proxies. Since there's no change I'll stick to my version as I don't think I need any new features. I wish Canon clog3 wasn't so unwieldy. Sigh, maybe one day they'll change it to be a little lighter since I know 100% Vegas won't optimize for this.

@MarkAnthony121 As an fyi, it's not a clog3 issue, it the 4:2:2 chroma sub-sampling. My Canon xf605 shoots clog3 with either 4:2:0 or 4:2:2 hevc and 4:2:0 delivers better Vegas playback with no significantly measurable difference in final render quality. I can edit 4:2:0 clog3 60fps multicam pretty smoothly without proxies if I knock the project frame rate down during edit and raise it back for final render. But replace-folder custom proxies work better. Regular proxies are the most convenient with automatic render replacement. Canon originally reported it would be doing firmware updates of it's other cameras to give both hevc options but I don't think it ever happened.

MarkAnthony121 wrote on 9/1/2023, 2:09 PM

Sounds accurate to me. Yes I'm on a 13900K. I should have specified 60fps IPB. 24fps does indeed play back near perfectly. But 60fps is unusable without proxies. Since there's no change I'll stick to my version as I don't think I need any new features. I wish Canon clog3 wasn't so unwieldy. Sigh, maybe one day they'll change it to be a little lighter since I know 100% Vegas won't optimize for this.

@MarkAnthony121 As an fyi, it's not a clog3 issue, it the 4:2:2 chroma sub-sampling. My Canon xf605 shoots clog3 with either 4:2:0 or 4:2:2 hevc and 4:2:0 delivers better Vegas playback with no significantly measurable difference in final render quality. I can edit 4:2:0 clog3 60fps multicam pretty smoothly without proxies if I knock the project frame rate down during edit and raise it back for final render. But replace-folder custom proxies work better. Regular proxies are the most convenient with automatic render replacement. Canon originally reported it would be doing firmware updates of it's other cameras to give both hevc options but I don't think it ever happened.

Correct. I didn't phrase it correctly. It's just because on my camera there's no options for other CLOG3 formats so for me specifically it's sort of a clog3 issue even though technically the issue is what you mentioned. That's why I wished canon fixed this or gave other options with firmware such as 4:2:0. Which I don't believe will happen. I guess proxies until then lol

fr0sty wrote on 9/5/2023, 11:27 PM

If you want even better quality than that and still keep that 10 bit 4:2:2 goodness without the performance penalty in VEGAS, use an atomos recorder that records to ProRes, it can still record in C-log 10 bit 4:2:2, but ProRes decodes nice and fast in VEGAS, no proxies needed. Plus ProRes is less compressed, so you're getting even better quality in the end. The only downside is larger files... about 100gb per hour of record time. However, you don't have to import the video, as the Atomos records directly onto SSDs, so I just take the SSD out of the recorder, hook it up to my computer using the USB adapter, and edit the video directly off of the SSD. Doing it this way, I don't have to worry about the video taking up a bunch of space on my system's drives.

I like to record to the atomos recorder and also record to my SD card, so that way I also have a backup recording should something go wrong with the prores recording. If I get everything imported from the Atomos and see no issues with the recording, I don't bother importing the data I recorded to the card, I just format it the next time I go to record. The peace of mind of having 2 copies of everything I record is another good reason to do this. Not to mention, the Atomos recorder doubles as a large monitor that is far better than using the small screen on the camera or the viewfinder.

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Dobrin-Tavcar wrote on 9/6/2023, 3:33 PM

@Dobrin-Tavcar I just played back a 4K HEVC in VP21 without any issues. My computer specs are in my signature.

Below is a screenshot of the clip being played at Best>Full, on a 24P 4K timeline.

Maybe a sample of your HEVC in the cloud to test?

 

Dobrin-Tavcar wrote on 9/6/2023, 3:35 PM

Reyfox, thanks for your help :) I finally solved the problem with codecs so, that I installed V21 on a fresh Windows 11. Now it loads necessary codecs without any problem :)

Per-Boysen wrote on 9/13/2023, 2:11 PM

I downloaded Vegas 21 Pro and have already finalized my first production. So far so good. However, the installation lacks the Deep Learning Models. Where can I find that installer?

Dean-Willoughby wrote on 9/14/2023, 11:18 AM

OK. Just purchased a new PC made for video edtiing: i9 Video Editing PC, HD 4K 8K 3D Modeling Computer, 12900KF to 5.2Ghz 16 Core, 128GB RAM, 2000GB NVMe SSD, Win 11 Pro, Quadro RTX A4000, CPU Solutions CEV-9085. All drivers up to date, but when trying to render to 1080 29fps with my graphics card selected in the acceleration preferences, it gets about 55% and then stops with an error message saying to up date drivers or turn off graphics acceleration. So much for my $2,600 new computer to run Vegas Pro 21. Totally disappointed.

RogerS wrote on 9/14/2023, 11:37 AM

Could you share a screenshot of that error message? Do you have up to date drivers?

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

Dean-Willoughby wrote on 9/14/2023, 11:54 AM

yes. I will run another rendering and do a screenshot. It will be awhile before I can get to it again.

Here is a screen shot of error message

UPDATE: So...I figured out the problem with this. There was a Vegas transition called "split screen" effect that was causing the video card to hang. Not sure why. I changed the transition to something else, and the video rendered perfect. So....not sure why that was, but at least if was not the video card after all.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/18/2023, 5:53 AM

Rendering with NVENC support has always the danger, that there are some artefacts in the rendered product. More, it seems to fail an significant share of the rendering trials in Vegas. Both can also happen, if you have the GPU acceleration enabled in the preferences, since most of the transitions use the GPU. To use older nvidia driver seems to help against the artefacts, at least

Some users use Voukoder for that reason. If you have purchased a new video editing machine, it would have been good to purchase an Intel processor with an i-GPU.

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HDR monitor: ProArt Monitor PA32 UCG, Atomos Sumo

Gabriella-Bank wrote on 9/19/2023, 10:41 AM

Is VP21 not included in the Pro 365 Suite? I downloaded from the link under my products but my very up-to-date serial number does not work.
 

Edit: You must go into your Magix Service Center and deactivate any devices currently running VP20, you will then receive a new Serial Number that will work with VP21.

 

WOLF-RUCK wrote on 9/19/2023, 4:37 PM

After installing, Vegas Pro 21, the Video FX Mocha Plugin advertised as included in Vegas Pro 21 appears to be missing ... ??? No results in All Plugins Search ...

RogerS wrote on 9/19/2023, 4:59 PM

Mocha has to be installed separately, did you install it?

Custom PC (2022) Intel i5-13600K with UHD 770 iGPU with latest driver, MSI z690 Tomahawk motherboard, 64GB Corsair DDR5 5200 ram, NVIDIA 2080 Super (8GB) with latest studio driver, 2TB Hynix P41 SSD, Windows 11 Pro 64 bit

Dell XPS 15 laptop (2017) 32GB ram, NVIDIA 1050 (4GB) with latest studio driver, Intel i7-7700HQ with Intel 630 iGPU (latest available driver), dual internal SSD (1TB; 1TB), Windows 10 64 bit

VEGAS Pro 19.651
VEGAS Pro 20.411
VEGAS Pro 21.208

Try the
VEGAS 4K "sample project" benchmark: https://forms.gle/ypyrrbUghEiaf2aC7
VEGAS Pro 20 "Ad" benchmark: https://forms.gle/eErJTR87K2bbJc4Q7

fr0sty wrote on 9/19/2023, 6:29 PM

Mocha also is only advertised to come with the Suite and Post versions of VEGAS Pro, which did you buy?

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

WOLF-RUCK wrote on 9/19/2023, 7:30 PM

Mocha also is only advertised to come with the Suite and Post versions of VEGAS Pro, which did you buy?

I purchased Pro Edit "upgrade" from Vegas Pro 20 to 21 ...

WOLF-RUCK wrote on 9/19/2023, 7:31 PM

Mocha has to be installed separately, did you install it?

Thank you ... How?

fr0sty wrote on 9/19/2023, 9:00 PM

Pro Edit doesn't come with Mocha. Only the Suite and Pro versions do. This is why it is missing from your version. This is how it was advertised.

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Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)