VP17 build 421 always crash importing large amount of footage

alifftudm95 wrote on 2/26/2020, 12:22 AM

I have 300GB worth of 4K footage from Z-cam Cinema Camera. Its very frustrating that VP17 always freeze whenever I tried to import the clip. I have to manually import it 1 by 1 into the timeline. Every 1 clip I have to wait the freeze hiccups from VEGAS.

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alifftudm95 wrote on 2/26/2020, 12:32 AM

Oh my. Just started to proxy the files and boom

RogerS wrote on 2/26/2020, 12:36 AM

Sounds very specific to this use case- I'd file a support request directly with Magix.

set wrote on 2/26/2020, 3:46 PM

How do you import footages to VP17?

by dragging them from Windows Explorer to Vegas' Timeline?

or

via Vegas Explorer tab>Add to Project Media List?

 

Usually via Vegas Explorer tab is 'more safe' rather drag file from Windows Explorer, but as for Z-cam Cinema Camera footages, there's a possibility that these footages 'are not Vegas-friendly'

fr0sty wrote on 2/26/2020, 4:24 PM

If you can post a sample clip shot by this camera, it may help us find you a workaround.

alifftudm95 wrote on 2/29/2020, 4:53 AM

How do you import footages to VP17?

by dragging them from Windows Explorer to Vegas' Timeline?

or

via Vegas Explorer tab>Add to Project Media List?

 

Usually via Vegas Explorer tab is 'more safe' rather drag file from Windows Explorer, but as for Z-cam Cinema Camera footages, there's a possibility that these footages 'are not Vegas-friendly'

Tried this, still the same regardless importing through media panel or directly through the timeline

alifftudm95 wrote on 2/29/2020, 5:38 AM

If you can post a sample clip shot by this camera, it may help us find you a workaround.

Here is the sample clip:

4K, 8 bit Z-Log2

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zqElw_nAvyskO5Y0jPywq8n5gScEul_y

set wrote on 2/29/2020, 6:20 AM

Wow! HEVC!

General
Complete name                            : G:\TEST\Media Tests\Z Cam\Z001C0089_20200225143200_0001.MOV
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   2004.06 (qt  )
File size                                : 670 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 13 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 76.8 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
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com.zcam.camera.whiteBalanceTint         : 0
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com.apple.proapps.clipID                 : Z001C0089_20200225143200_0001
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Video
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Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
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Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.363
Stream size                              : 657 MiB (98%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
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Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0000 cd/m2, max: 0 cd/m2
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 18 s 325 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 281 KiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00

Other
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Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 1 min 13 s
Time code of first frame                 : 14:32:00:00
Time code, striped                       : Yes
Title                                    : 001
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00

 

set wrote on 2/29/2020, 6:29 AM

If you can post a sample clip shot by this camera, it may help us find you a workaround.

Here is the sample clip:

4K, 8 bit Z-Log2

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zqElw_nAvyskO5Y0jPywq8n5gScEul_y

Is this recorded in 100fps mode?

Once put in my timeline, the video seems were played as 25p, leaving audio and video not sync-ed

alifftudm95 wrote on 2/29/2020, 7:28 AM

If you can post a sample clip shot by this camera, it may help us find you a workaround.

Here is the sample clip:

4K, 8 bit Z-Log2

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zqElw_nAvyskO5Y0jPywq8n5gScEul_y

Is this recorded in 100fps mode?

Once put in my timeline, the video seems were played as 25p, leaving audio and video not sync-ed

Yup correct

alifftudm95 wrote on 2/29/2020, 7:29 AM

Wow! HEVC!

General
Complete name                            : G:\TEST\Media Tests\Z Cam\Z001C0089_20200225143200_0001.MOV
Format                                   : MPEG-4
Format profile                           : QuickTime
Codec ID                                 : qt   2004.06 (qt  )
File size                                : 670 MiB
Duration                                 : 1 min 13 s
Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
Overall bit rate                         : 76.8 Mb/s
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
com.zcam.camera.prepend                  : v0
CameraMaker                              : Z CAM
CameraModel                              : E2
com.zcam.camera.sn                       : 417A0040095
com.zcam.camera.fw                       : 0.89
com.zcam.camera.movieType                : MOVIE
com.zcam.camera.lut                      : Z-Log2
com.zcam.camera.iso                      : 500
com.zcam.camera.shutterAngle             : 180°
com.zcam.camera.whiteBalanceMode         : Manual
com.zcam.camera.whiteBalanceKelvin       : 4700K
com.zcam.camera.whiteBalanceTint         : 0
com.zcam.camera.projectFps               : 25
com.apple.proapps.shootingRate           : 25
com.zcam.camera.captureVfr               : 100
com.apple.proapps.cameraName             : Z
com.apple.proapps.reel                   : 001
com.zcam.camera.battery                  : 7.9V
com.zcam.camera.temperature              : 57.1°C
com.zcam.camera.storage                  : Samsung Portable SSD T5
com.zcam.camera.splitIndex               : 0
com.apple.proapps.clipID                 : Z001C0089_20200225143200_0001
com.zcam.camera.hash                     : 4250

Video
ID                                       : 1
Format                                   : HEVC
Format/Info                              : High Efficiency Video Coding
Format profile                           : Main 10@L5.1@Main
Codec ID                                 : hvc1
Codec ID/Info                            : High Efficiency Video Coding
Duration                                 : 1 min 13 s
Bit rate                                 : 75.3 Mb/s
Width                                    : 3 840 pixels
Height                                   : 2 160 pixels
Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
Frame rate mode                          : Constant
Frame rate                               : 25.000 FPS
Color space                              : YUV
Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0
Bit depth                                : 10 bits
Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.363
Stream size                              : 657 MiB (98%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
Color range                              : Limited
Color primaries                          : BT.709
Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709
Mastering display color primaries        : R: x=0.060000 y=0.330000, G: x=0.300000 y=0.150000, B: x=0.640000 y=0.600000, White point: x=0.312700 y=0.329000
Mastering display luminance              : min: 0.0000 cd/m2, max: 0 cd/m2
Codec configuration box                  : hvcC

Audio
ID                                       : 2
Format                                   : AAC LC
Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID                                 : mp4a-40-2
Duration                                 : 18 s 325 ms
Bit rate mode                            : Variable
Bit rate                                 : 128 kb/s
Maximum bit rate                         : 256 kb/s
Channel(s)                               : 2 channels
Channel layout                           : L R
Sampling rate                            : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate                               : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode                         : Lossy
Stream size                              : 281 KiB (0%)
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00

Other
ID                                       : 3
Type                                     : Time code
Format                                   : QuickTime TC
Duration                                 : 1 min 13 s
Time code of first frame                 : 14:32:00:00
Time code, striped                       : Yes
Title                                    : 001
Language                                 : English
Encoded date                             : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00
Tagged date                              : UTC 2020-02-25 06:32:00

 

Ah 10 Bits, I tot it was shoot in 8bits, maybe different projects.

Anyway, what causes VEGAS to crash/lag & have all of that freeze hiccups?

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DATO ALIFF ALEX

Sony a6500

Zhiyun Weebill S

DJI Mavic Air

Dell Inspiron 15 7577 4K Screen

Intel i7 7 gens

GTX 1060 6GB Max-Q

16GB RAM

 

set wrote on 2/29/2020, 3:42 PM

Hmm..., can't say anything from my side... since I only have one footage and that works 'perfectly' on my side.

Perhaps the workaround is, try import not all media to vegas, do create proxy 'part by part' then try work with it? (hoping it won't lag - but have to experiment)

another way..., will be converting them all to Vegas friendly format like ProRes (Magix Intermediate) - but it will take amount of time to do this considering 'wrong auto-fps' in Vegas.🙈

alifftudm95 wrote on 3/1/2020, 12:30 AM

Hmm..., can't say anything from my side... since I only have one footage and that works 'perfectly' on my side.

Perhaps the workaround is, try import not all media to vegas, do create proxy 'part by part' then try work with it? (hoping it won't lag - but have to experiment)

another way..., will be converting them all to Vegas friendly format like ProRes (Magix Intermediate) - but it will take amount of time to do this considering 'wrong auto-fps' in Vegas.🙈

Ya, I was thinking about transcoding the video but the amount of time taken to render all of this footage would be forever. Does VEGAS have a batch rendering features or something?

 

 

Last changed by alifftudm95 on 3/1/2020, 12:30 AM, changed a total of 1 times.

DATO ALIFF ALEX

Sony a6500

Zhiyun Weebill S

DJI Mavic Air

Dell Inspiron 15 7577 4K Screen

Intel i7 7 gens

GTX 1060 6GB Max-Q

16GB RAM

 

set wrote on 3/1/2020, 1:10 AM

You can try Tools>Scripting>Batch Render - but this is for Rendering in timeline... So I never using it.

 

I personally using 3rd party VASST Ultimate S Pro

http://vasstsoftware.com/product/ultimate-s-pro/

The Render tools allows to do batch rendering of media, or Regions.

 

The other 3rd party script is Vegasaur - but personally never tried or experience of it... so can't say much about it.

https://vegasaur.com/Vegasaur

LongIslanderrr wrote on 3/1/2020, 4:27 AM

Ive been posting this for literally 4 months now; dont know why it hasent been added to the "known issues" thread because everyone else just blames something else...

Vegas 17 has a CONFIRMED BUG with HEVC media that the team is still working on. (they are able to reproduce the crash)

As for me Ive been using vegas 16. With all GPU features OFF and rendering proxies with 0 issues.

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Kinvermark wrote on 3/1/2020, 6:49 PM

Vegasaur is VERY helpful for making proxies/transcodes of all sorts. However, the encodes are still slow. I hate to mention it, but if you need/want much faster transcodes then get Davinci Resolve free version and then batch export your intermediates from there (Cineform or Grass Valley HQX files) - those should edit nicely in Vegas. Obivously, do a small scale trial first to make sure everything works.

 

wwaag wrote on 3/1/2020, 10:55 PM

You could also use the ImportAssist tool in HappyOtterScripts for direct transcoding and import into Vegas. Here's a demo for the transcoding of your footage into Cineform 10bit 422 which plays quite well on the Vegas timeline. In addition to Cineform, you could also transcode directly to GrassValley HQX as well as lossless codecs such as UtVideo or MagicYUV. Lots of options.

For more information go to https://tools4vegas.com/

alifftudm95 wrote on 3/2/2020, 10:42 AM

Ive been posting this for literally 4 months now; dont know why it hasent been added to the "known issues" thread because everyone else just blames something else...

Vegas 17 has a CONFIRMED BUG with HEVC media that the team is still working on. (they are able to reproduce the crash)

As for me Ive been using vegas 16. With all GPU features OFF and rendering proxies with 0 issues.(Private conversation message hidden)

Ah I see. But VEGAS now wont easily crash after I proxy all of the clip. But the freezing hiccups still there tho.

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DATO ALIFF ALEX

Sony a6500

Zhiyun Weebill S

DJI Mavic Air

Dell Inspiron 15 7577 4K Screen

Intel i7 7 gens

GTX 1060 6GB Max-Q

16GB RAM

 

VEGASPascal wrote on 3/2/2020, 12:39 PM

Oh my. Just started to proxy the files and boom

Next time make a screenshot with description text to find it in the error reporting database... so we could give you the answer. 😉

NickHope wrote on 3/3/2020, 5:19 AM

Ive been posting this for literally 4 months now; dont know why it hasent been added to the "known issues" thread because everyone else just blames something else...

Vegas 17 has a CONFIRMED BUG with HEVC media that the team is still working on. (they are able to reproduce the crash)

As for me Ive been using vegas 16. With all GPU features OFF and rendering proxies with 0 issues.(Private conversation message hidden)

@LongIslanderrr There's still an item covering this in the "Known Issues" thread that dates back to VP14. I've just added a link to this thread to it:

  • "[VP14+] Slow opening (& crashing) when importing ProRes/HEVC files (ProRes, HEVC, HEVC)."
Howard-Vigorita wrote on 3/3/2020, 12:31 PM

@alifftudm95 I downloaded your clip and tried it on my NUC travel machine and it loaded up into v17b421 without incident or any hiccups. Also made 3 extra copies and dropped them onto a timeline all at once from the explorer window just fine. Had autoproxy turned off btw and they played smoothly at best-full as long as I set file i/o decode to amd instead of intel. Quite impressed by that. Also pulled down an x64 lut from zcam's google drive and found I had to drop the preview down to good-auto to get smooth playback. Curiously, I didn't get noticeably different performance after repeating with proxies which took a while to create. I really appreciate your making that clip available as I've been wanting to test some 4k footage like this for quite a while. If you have the time, some more details on your camera rig would also be of interest.

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Cameras: Canon XF305, JVC GV-LS2, Canon 6D w/L-glass line.
Laptop: Dell XPS15-9570; i7-8750h 32gb (integrated Intel UHD-630 & Nvidia GTX-1050Ti)
Road: Intel NUC i7 8809g 32gb (integrated AMD VegaM 4gb graphics and Intel HD630)
Workstation: i9 9900k 32 gb (Sapphire AMD Radeon VII 16gb graphics and integrated Intel UHD630)
Workstation2: e5 1650v4 128 gb (Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 8gb graphics)
Workstation3: i7-980X 24gb (Sapphire RX480 4gb graphics)
currently Vegas 17.421

alifftudm95 wrote on 3/3/2020, 11:21 PM

@alifftudm95 I downloaded your clip and tried it on my NUC travel machine and it loaded up into v17b421 without incident or any hiccups. Also made 3 extra copies and dropped them onto a timeline all at once from the explorer window just fine. Had autoproxy turned off btw and they played smoothly at best-full as long as I set file i/o decode to amd instead of intel. Quite impressed by that. Also pulled down an x64 lut from zcam's google drive and found I had to drop the preview down to good-auto to get smooth playback. Curiously, I didn't get noticeably different performance after repeating with proxies which took a while to create. I really appreciate your making that clip available as I've been wanting to test some 4k footage like this for quite a while. If you have the time, some more details on your camera rig would also be of interest.

Well maybe because Im editing on a laptop. My Laptop is Dell Inspiron 15. Intel i7 7th Gen, 16GB of Ram with GTX1060 Max Q GPU.

I was not involved during pre/production. I only received the clips to edit, So I didnt know much about the footage details till the DP told me everything about the settings yesterday lol

Last changed by alifftudm95 on 3/3/2020, 11:22 PM, changed a total of 1 times.

DATO ALIFF ALEX

Sony a6500

Zhiyun Weebill S

DJI Mavic Air

Dell Inspiron 15 7577 4K Screen

Intel i7 7 gens

GTX 1060 6GB Max-Q

16GB RAM

 

set wrote on 3/4/2020, 12:01 AM

Previously I use my old i950 desktop - so no Intel graphics acceleration available... but AMD. Not sure if AMD Radeon accelerate the reading process... perhaps I have to try it too on my Asus ROG laptop (nVidia + Intel) later.

Howard-Vigorita wrote on 3/4/2020, 11:49 AM
Well maybe because Im editing on a laptop. My Laptop is Dell Inspiron 15. Intel i7 7th Gen, 16GB of Ram with GTX1060 Max Q GPU.

I was not involved during pre/production. I only received the clips to edit, So I didnt know much about the footage details till the DP told me everything about the settings yesterday lol

Just tried the clip on my Dell laptop which is similar to yours but with 32GB ram and GTX-1050Ti. I only have v16b424 on that machine however but it does do decoding with Intel although no Nvidia decoding. The clips dropped onto the timeline just fine with no crashes but played a little jerky even at draft-auto. Not unlike on my NUC when I selected Intel decoding under v17. Maybe 32GB ram gives my Dell laptop more stability with 4K than yours.

Last changed by Howard-Vigorita on 3/4/2020, 1:25 PM, changed a total of 2 times.

Cameras: Canon XF305, JVC GV-LS2, Canon 6D w/L-glass line.
Laptop: Dell XPS15-9570; i7-8750h 32gb (integrated Intel UHD-630 & Nvidia GTX-1050Ti)
Road: Intel NUC i7 8809g 32gb (integrated AMD VegaM 4gb graphics and Intel HD630)
Workstation: i9 9900k 32 gb (Sapphire AMD Radeon VII 16gb graphics and integrated Intel UHD630)
Workstation2: e5 1650v4 128 gb (Sapphire Nitro+ RX580 8gb graphics)
Workstation3: i7-980X 24gb (Sapphire RX480 4gb graphics)
currently Vegas 17.421

john_dennis wrote on 3/4/2020, 2:05 PM

I downloaded your sample file to try on my Dell 5770 laptop with the following preview results:

Best Full

Best Half

Preview Full

Preview Half

I copied the file and opened a total of 20 copies with no drama. The video looks good to me. It seems easy enough with a color curve that I might forego the LUT.

While swapping applications I experienced a Vegas white screen. I sent the data to Magix.