(FAQ) Graphics Cards & GPU-Acceleration for VEGAS Pro

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magicd1982 wrote on 12/19/2017, 7:08 AM

I have upgraded the card to GTX 1060 6GB and the rendering problems are all gone.

Hi. I also use the GTX 1060 6GB but I have some problems with "live preview" while editing effects (CPU: everything ok, GPU: I have to close the effect windows to see the changes)... Which driver version do you use?

AVsupport wrote on 12/19/2017, 3:30 PM

I have upgraded the card to GTX 1060 6GB and the rendering problems are all gone.

Hi. I also use the GTX 1060 6GB but I have some problems with "live preview" while editing effects (CPU: everything ok, GPU: I have to close the effect windows to see the changes)... Which driver version do you use?

I think this is a common Nvidia issue in VP15..I had that a few times happening even with my old GTX560..yes I know This thing should be retired by now! (and latest drivers..)

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

16GB (2x8GB Corsair Dual Channel DDR4-2133) XMP-3000 RAM,

Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

bob-h wrote on 12/19/2017, 7:34 PM

Hi. I also use the GTX 1060 6GB but I have some problems with "live preview" while editing effects (CPU: everything ok, GPU: I have to close the effect windows to see the changes)... Which driver version do you use?

I have noticed that with timeline preview vegas will use both GPU's. the intel GPU & Nvidia GPU. Is it possible you have an AMD cpu or no intel QSV support? Not that It should be a problem

magicd1982 wrote on 12/20/2017, 1:57 AM

Hi. I also use the GTX 1060 6GB but I have some problems with "live preview" while editing effects (CPU: everything ok, GPU: I have to close the effect windows to see the changes)... Which driver version do you use?

I have noticed that with timeline preview vegas will use both GPU's. the intel GPU & Nvidia GPU. Is it possible you have an AMD cpu or no intel QSV support? Not that It should be a problem

My CPU is I7-7700HQ... I noticed: if I start the program with "Intel graphics card" there is no problem with live preview... this evening I will check to install earlier nvidia driver (before 82).

Andy1e wrote on 4/22/2018, 11:11 PM

1. GPU ACCELERATION OF VIDEO PROCESSING
// how to make it work with multiple GPUs? (vegas pro 15.0.0.177) I mean, ok, may be just at one GPU at time (SLI disabled), but I have two same 1070ti in system, and regardless the card I choose in preferences window, Vegas, apparently, choose the 2nd card, wich connected through 1x raiser, and no monitors connected to it, and i have black screen instead preview :(
When I turn off the 2nd GOU and choose the main GPU, preview works well, but after turning on, vegas thinks, that in preferences choosed that card (evidently problem is in getting card by name, not by ID). What I can do with? Config/reg? Patch?

p.s. could NVENC works with multiple GPU configurations, without SLI? With diffirent cards?  (2x1070ti+980ti in my case)

Wolfgang S. wrote on 4/23/2018, 3:02 AM

I do not think that there is a multipe GPU or even SLI Support in Vegas.

By the way, b177 is not the latest build. We have now b321.

Kinvermark wrote on 4/23/2018, 10:44 AM

@OldSmoke

There may be some advantage to multiple GPU's. Oldsmoke has some details about this I believe. Perhaps certain plug-ins can use multiple OpenCl hosts synchronously?

OldSmoke wrote on 4/23/2018, 12:17 PM

@OldSmoke

There may be some advantage to multiple GPU's. Oldsmoke has some details about this I believe. Perhaps certain plug-ins can use multiple OpenCl hosts synchronously?


I did use

2x GTX 570 and later 580 and yes, it was better than one card but only by 10%-15% at the most. It is tricky to setup and it cant be in SLI mode. I also used 2x R9 290 but that didn't really do any better aside from some plugins and OFX that made good use of it. When ever I need fast MP4 renders, I install a GTX580 alongside my Fury X and render with CUDA which is very fast. Vegas will use the Fury X (AMD) for OpenCL, FX processing and timeline and I can render with the GTX580 using CUDA with the old MC AVC encoder.

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

patrick-keough wrote on 5/3/2018, 9:41 AM

With Vegas 15 and a GTX1070 8GB I notice a very minor improvement with the new GPU accelerated h.264 encode when doing basic 1080 renders and MASSIVE speed improvements when rendering 4k with some color work.

Timeline performance is helped a bit with the GPU acceleration but I do get some odd glitches in the preview window that freaked me out initially but did not show up in the render.

I am still firmly engrained in the rule that a final render should be done CPU only so I am currently sitting here waiting for a 25 minute encode that was 7 minutes in GPU mode as I type this...

john_dennis wrote on 5/3/2018, 10:29 AM

"I am currently sitting here waiting for a 25 minute encode..."

I have often wondered if anyone would post to this or any other forum if renders were instantaneous.

Vliegvisser wrote on 5/3/2018, 10:34 AM

I am still firmly engrained in the rule that a final render should be done CPU only so I am currently sitting here waiting for a 25 minute encode that was 7 minutes in GPU mode as I type this...

Which codec and which GPU mode do you use at this rendering?

patrick-keough wrote on 5/3/2018, 10:59 AM

I am still firmly engrained in the rule that a final render should be done CPU only so I am currently sitting here waiting for a 25 minute encode that was 7 minutes in GPU mode as I type this...

Which codec and which GPU mode do you use at this rendering?

Magix AVC vs Magix AVC (NVEC) on UHD 30p footage with Filmconvert, color corrector (Secondary) and levels on most clips.

Vliegvisser wrote on 5/3/2018, 11:48 AM

Rendering has nothing to do with video accelerating for FX a.s.o.
So what do you expect at Magix AVC only without GPU for rendering?
To me it looks normal and I have 7-10 times faster rendering with QSV or Nvenc vs the plain Magix Mainconcept AVC codec

patrick-keough wrote on 5/3/2018, 12:33 PM

Rendering has nothing to do with video accelerating for FX a.s.o.
So what do you expect at Magix AVC only without GPU for rendering?
To me it looks normal and I have 7-10 times faster rendering with QSV or Nvenc vs the plain Magix Mainconcept AVC codec


I don't understand. I was neither complaining nor asking a question. I was simply giving my anecdotal evidence of how much faster NVEC is than CPU when rendering UHD 30p. Then I was stating that I still elect to do CPU render due to a deeply ingrained distrust of GPU encoding quality.

 

Settle down guys....

Vliegvisser wrote on 5/3/2018, 12:50 PM

Sorry, Patrick that I misunderstood you writing this

I am still firmly engrained in the rule that a final render should be done CPU only so I am currently sitting here waiting for a 25 minute encode that was 7 minutes in GPU mode as I type this...

 

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/10/2018, 10:04 AM

Given the initial topic recommends basically GPU's for versions prior to Vegas Pro 15, what's the consensus now about which GPU technology to go with for the best stability and RT timeline performance? It still seems pretty vague with regards to moving forward with Vegas 15 and future releases. Are AMD cards still the best option with Vegas Pro 15 moving forward or nVidia now that NVENC has been added? I just want to get Vegas Stable and the only thing I haven't updated yet is my graphics card and I'm in the market to upgrade IF the GPU upgrade will allow me to rely upon Vegas in my work.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/10/2018, 10:17 AM

@Cliff Etzel How about exhausting the effort to get your integrated graphics working with Vegas first? https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/new-desktop-build-thoughts--111272/#ca688090

Did that - made no difference....

OldSmoke wrote on 5/10/2018, 4:34 PM

@Cliff Etzel How about exhausting the effort to get your integrated graphics working with Vegas first? https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/new-desktop-build-thoughts--111272/#ca688090

Did that - made no difference....

@Cliff Etzel No offense but something is wrong with your setup. I have seen users on this forum stating great results with their iGPU in VP15. Also

make sure you have a good power supply unit and I always recommend a UPS too; did wonders to my system ten years back while living in Asia and I don’t work without one ever since.

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Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: ASUS X299 Prime-A

Ram: G.Skill 4x8GB DDR4 2666 XMP

CPU: i7-9800x @ 4.6GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x AMD Vega Pro Frontier Edition (water cooled)
Hard drives: System Samsung 970Pro NVME, AV-Projects 1TB (4x Intel P7600 512GB VROC), 4x 2.5" Hotswap bays, 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner

PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM (2560x1440)

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/10/2018, 9:49 PM

Have a UPS and have not seen these kinds of issues before - I have gotten the iGPU seen and working, but it appears to only be relevant for encoding? Didn't do anything for me for improved timeline playback tat I could see. I'm specifically wanting improved timeline playback - that's been the main issue for me for several versions back (Since Vegas 11) and whi it has me wondering if I"m just using the wrong GPU (nVidia) instead of AMD

Nick Hope wrote on 5/11/2018, 3:00 AM

Have a UPS and have not seen these kinds of issues before - I have gotten the iGPU seen and working, but it appears to only be relevant for encoding? Didn't do anything for me for improved timeline playback tat I could see. I'm specifically wanting improved timeline playback - that's been the main issue for me for several versions back (Since Vegas 11) and whi it has me wondering if I"m just using the wrong GPU (nVidia) instead of AMD

@Cliff Etzel To double-check, you have selected "Intel HD Graphics" in the "GPU acceleration of video processing" section of your video preferences, and restarted?

Maybe Intel graphics doesn't accelerate Cineform as much compared to some other formats (just speculation). Also I think VP15 may benefit more than VP14, based on some postings I vaguely recall from the early days of VP15.

Trensharo wrote on 5/12/2018, 7:21 PM

There is no Live Preview when editing effects with a GTX card. I notice this on 1050, 1050Ti, and 1060 with the latest GeForce Drivers (sorry, I will not use old drivers for one piece of software - I'm still on 14, anyways, so I just won't upgrade while this is still an issue). It only works if you switch GPU Acceleration in Preferences > Video to the Intel GPU or Off.

I've tried three different machines with GTX cards. It's broken on all of them, even the latest update of VP15. It only works when I select Off or the Intel iGPU.

Timeline performance is laggard on all of these machines, so there doesn't seem to be an acceleration for it. Off performs the same as Intel or Nvidia, and makes you feel like you're on a 10 year old PC, while virtually every other NLE runs circles around it.

The only machine that gets any sort of Acceleration is my old 2013 Dell Notebook with an AMD A10-5745M APU and Radeon HD 8610G iGPU. That one does get some Acceleration; Renders are 25% faster with Legacy GPU option selected on that APU using OpenCL over CPU-only. But it's an old machine, so the overall performance ends up worse than my 4 month old i7 Laptop with a GTX card...

For all of my newer machines, Vegas Pro 14, Movie Studio Platinum 14, and Pro 15 (tried a trial) basically don't use the GPU (NVENC on 15 - for rendering, and that's technically not "the GPU," but an SIP on the GPU... equivalent to the QSV SIP in Intel CPUs) and timeline performance is still awful like 14 SKUs.

OpenFX don't seem to be using the GTX card, either, and you can't adjust them in real time with the GTX GPU selected. Everything requires you to close down the dialog to refresh the preview. It's technological torture, so I don't use the GTX card for Vegas and have been trialing other NLEs to figure out my next move.

I'll probably keep my current versions on for editing audio, though, provided I don't go with Creative Cloud (in which case I'll replace it with Audition).

 

Vliegvisser wrote on 5/13/2018, 2:14 AM

It only works if you switch GPU Acceleration in Preferences > Video to the Intel GPU or Off.

There are more ways .
Another way to overcome this "not realtime showing changes in FX in the preview" bug in this and older versions is to change in the Nvidia Configuration screen 3D settings for that program into not Nvidia GPU.

This means that the program starts not with the Nvidia GPU , but in that program Nvidia with each valid driver can be used for hardware acceleration.

ryclark wrote on 5/13/2018, 6:48 AM

Trensharo                             wrote on 5/13/2018, 1:21 AM                

There is no Live Preview when editing effects with a GTX card. I notice this on 1050, 1050Ti, and 1060 with the latest GeForce Drivers

I have just updated to a 1050Ti card from an AMD R9 270X and ma seeing a great improvement in render times for the projects that I am involved with. Previewing of effects with GPU on doesn't cause me any problems on my system. 😕